This smells really fishy. They quote her directly when it comes to her taking the side of Palestinians in general (aka, the oppressed population) but when it comes to her supposed support of Hamas in particular, all there is in the article is a paraphrase of THEIR version, not a direct quote.
Sounds like a political hit job.
There’s this idea going around that directly quoting the thing a person got cancelled for is spreading whatever hate they were spreading.
The obvious side effect of such a practice is that people who get silenced never get their side of the story told.
I find that sketchy as well
Actually, it turned out that the article DOES directly quote what she was cancelled for. It was just that the article made it sound like she'd declared her undying loyalty to Hamas when in actual fact she hadn't even mentioned them. I'm just gonna copy a comment of mine from earlier today explaining the whole thing:
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal," she wrote on the platform on Saturday.
That's all. If you're very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you'd think that she was endorsing Hamas as "freedom fighters".
But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you'll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren't usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it's clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that's what the Palestinian citizens are... fighting for freedom every day.
I don't think a reputable publication would post hate speech verbatim, even if it's from someone else. There might be an archive somewhere?
Not true. They post hate speech from right wing politicians verbatim all the time.
As for the tweets being somewhere else, it seems that it's this:
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal
To the inattentive and/or wilfully misinterpreting, that might come off as an endorsement of Hamas as "freedom fighters", but note that she doesn't mention Hamas by name and that Hamas aren't usually the ones filming any of their atrocities.
Add her clarification from a few days later and it's clear she's talking about regular people filming the atrocities of the Israeli oppressors and isn't referring to terrorism at all, unless you define it broadly enough to include the Israeli state terrorism:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that's what the Palestinian citizens are... fighting for freedom every day
As I suspected, she didn't do what they said she did. She just had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime.
I tried to read all her Tweets despite not having a Twitter account and yes, none of them mention Hamas or support Hamas. She's just telling people to tear down the wall.
Apparently, that's only okay in Berlin and other places. Clearly tearing down the siege wall surrounding Gaza or the apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.
Down with the goddamn fucking walls.
apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.
Not to mention thousands being forced to go through military checkpoints to reach the nearest schools and hospitals, if they're lucky enough to even be allowed to pass.
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal
"If you can look at the situation and not be on the side of Palestinians, then you are on the wrong side of apartheid and history will show that in time,"
This post on her part was fine, but the other one...not so much. She should have stuck with this one only, rather than whatever the frick murderous thing that other post was.
Keep in mind she was a Lebanese refugee that lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel.
I'm not condoning anything she said but she has a somewhat understandable view of the whole situation.
lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel
And what about the conflict between actual Lebanon and what became Hezbollah?
Dunno why this is getting downvoted, the only Lebanese folks who don't despise Hazbollah are Hezbollah, and the Iranian dispatched clerics.
So it justifies murdering children. Got it. We know where you stand!
Israel just murdered 200 children in 3 days, so far. Was that justified?
Oh, but they're Palestinian so they don't count. Otherwise people like you would have lost their minds decades ago.
When the Hamas murders children it's terrorism, it's an atrocity, it's inhuman (and I agree).
When the IDF murders children it's Tuesday.
It's on the news every day. And people like you couldn't care less.
Keep chewing on that nice Zionist propaganda. I choose humanity.
Why can't we condemn both?
Hamas committed atrocities and Israel has responded with atrocities. That doesn't make calling Hamas "freedom fighters" in this context any less deplorable.
I don't think she was refering to Hamas as freedom fighters. Everybody was just eager to put it in her mouth (eh).
Answering your question, yes, we can condemn them both. But in different ways.
Israel "created" Hamas. You can only push a people so far. The oppression and humiliation, generation after generation is bound to create extreme hate. And that's how shit like Hamas sprouts. Israel has been breeding that hate for decades.
But...Hamas actions are still their own. I can live in a world with Israel if Israel changes. But Hamas has to go. But something else will appear if Israel keeps pushing on the Palestinians. Hamas is a symptom.
The cycle of violence has to be broken. And the one that has the upper hand has to do it to be effective. The 2 state solution is dead. It's ironic that these 2 peoples can't live with each other but at the same time they need each other.
Palestine is too fractured to thrive without Israel. Israel, while it might not seem so, needs to make good with Palestine to consolidate its place in the region. Without that peace Israel is doomed on the long term. When the chips are down and the US is not there to help they will find themselves completely isolated surrounded by hostile countries. And that Israel cannot survive.
sapere aude, friend
Is there a quote for the other post? I heard it was just paraphrased, so we don't know what she actually said
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal," she wrote on the platform on Saturday.
That's all. If you're very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you'd think that she was endorsing Hamas as "freedom fighters".
But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you'll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren't usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it's clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that's what the Palestinian citizens are... fighting for freedom every day.
I'm confused. Who else is fighting besides Hamas and the IDF?
There are other kinds of fighting than violence on a grand scale. Regular Palestinians are fighting the apartheid regime in ways big and small every day.
Thanks, that's pretty much what I figured you'd say. The down vote was a nice touch.
Yeah, I have this odd quirk of downvoting sealions when they ask bad faith questions with obvious answers that they refuse to accept. I'm kooky like that!
How do you distinguish between a good faith question and “sealioning”?
A good faith question is when you're honestly seeking clarification either because you don't know something or don't know what the other person means.
Sealioning is when you're "just asking questions" in a manipulative manner with no intention of taking the answers seriously under consideration or making a valid point of your own.
It's often used in place of an actual argument when the sea lion knows that their point isn't strong enough to withstand scrutiny.
Here's the origin of the term afaik:
defining is when you decide or declare that a certain string of words is equivalent to a word.
distinguishing is when you decide or declare which of two categories a particular thing is in
I know the definition of these words. I’m asking you distinguish, as you read comments on the internet, which are which kind?
Subtle, I like it
Can you please tell me how else can you interpret that statement other than her asking for better footage of the atrocities committed by the Hamas?
Hamas don't tend to film their own atrocities and they're not the only ones committing atrocities.
Israel is also committing atrocities and the oppressed citizens of Palestine are filming a lot of it. THAT'S the footage she asked to be recorded in landscape rather than portrait.
Perhaps still not in the best taste for a public platform, but it's a damn sight better than endorsing terrorism like this article and others are incorrectly claiming.
Why don't "freedom fighters" don't "fight" the atrocities rather than film them?
Keep in mind this was said in the context of the Hamas attack.
Seems like you people are just whitewashing her.
You're seriously asking why regular unarmed people are documenting human rights abuses rather than physically attack heavily armed soldiers who are in the middle of demonstrating how little Palestinian lives matter to them? Is that what you're actually asking?
Also, who says it was said in the context of the latest Hamas atrocity? Judging by the actual words and sentences, it would seem much more likely to be in response to bad video of the retaliatory atrocities of the Israeli oppressors.
Seems like you're very eager to tar and feather her for speaking up against your favorite ethnostate.
Why don't "freedom fighters" don't "fight" the atrocities rather than film them?
those regular civilians should hit the missiles with baseball bats, that'll show 'em. Much more effective than filming the atrocities being inflicted upon them and spreading the word online!
She said "freedom fighters", not "civilians".
In the largest apartheid concentration camp on earth, the civilian prisoners who document and expose their oppressors to the world are fighting for their freedom
Holly shit the mental gymnastics here are astounding. You're just casually assuming that she is some kind of top geopolitical expert.
Nope. I'm merely refraining from assuming without evidence that she's endorsing terrorism.
You don't have to be "some kind of top geopolitical expert" to know that Hamas don't tend to film their atrocities themselves and that oppressed Palestinians very often film the atrocities of the Israeli occupation forces.
If there's any mental gymnastics here, it's in confusing common knowledge for elite geopolitical expertise.
I think you don't realise how little knowledge "common knowledge" actually is. Peolple on lemmee arent you're average joe when it comes to geopolitical knowledge. I am not dismissing her knowledge eitherx but i believe you are overestimating it.
Yeah because a Lebanese-American public figure who sympathises with the plight of Palestine has NEVER had to answer bad faith arguments equating Hamas with all Palestinians and would thus have NO need for more knowledge about the methods of them than your average inattentive and incurious casual ingester of pro-regime billionaire-owned American news! 🙄
Reminds me of how planet of the apes was suddenly about antisemitism...
there's no way a thinking person would come to the conclusion you just did
There's no way that a rationally thinking person WOULDN'T. How's the weather in opposite world today?
its ok, im used to seeing absolutely stupid takes since the weekend so yours isnt exactly a surprise
Yeah I'M the stupid one, not the arrogant shit for brains whose sole contribution is to do a less intelligent version of Nelson Muntz at people who actually base their arguments on real world context coupled with reading the actual words rather than imagining completely different ones 🙄
What does being Jewish have to do with Israel? Are you conflating the two? Blaming Jews for what Israel has been doing for decades is pretty anti-semetic.
No it's just that Jews have gotten prickly about anyone criticizing Israel because of how much trouble anti-zionism has had banishing anti-semitism from trying to infiltrate.
It's only changed because the Neonazis have absorbed enough evangelicals to decide they like the jews having Israel now because battle of Armageddon and "I know revelations says it is impossible to know when the rapture will happen but I'm gonna try and make it happen anyways like an absolute dumbass!"
That's the problem with a lot of the pro Palestine movement, they just can't help themselves and can't just stop at demanding rights, but wanting the rights of others removed as well. Western nations just aren't going up empathize with you if you're murdering and parading women's corpses around, or if you're threatening to kill hostages, many of which are children. As much as you may not like it, there's a difference optically between dropping a bomb and putting a gun to a child's head and pulling the trigger cause you didn't get your way.
All i get from this post is "genocides fine, its the other stuff we dont like"
Quite easy to critique a movement you know nothing about I guess.
Poor take
they just can’t help themselves ... wanting the rights of others removed
This seems so familiar but I can't quite put my finger on it...
The irony is so thick, Israel could build a wall around the West Bank with it.
What a shit article. All she did was support the Palestinian cause and now they're putting shit in her mouth (no pun intended).
I don't like how the narrative is being forced in this conflict. They are clearing the way for something very sinister. We're about to witness a western sanctioned genocide. There's no way Israel is letting this opportunity go.
Something is going to happen soon in the West Bank too, I call it.
Look man, you can support Palestine, but telling the soldiers to turn their phones horizontally for better execution videos of civilians is a bit much.
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal
— Mia K. (@miakhalifa) October 7, 2023
So... she didn't say that. Those words are very different.
Well, that's your choice to side with her on that. A lot of people are interpreting it as 1) a terrible time to try to be funny and 2) can easily be interpreted as support for Hamas, until she got a ton of backlash and it started to cost her money and then she 'totes didn't mean it that way, just a prank, for realz!'
It really is a choice to claim someone said something which they did not actually say at all.
Saying "they said x and I think they meant y" is entirely different from claiming "they said y" while knowing they in fact said x.
This is not controversial. Interpretations are fine, actively crafting disinformation is not.
That was her mistake - the comment was too vague, so the media jumped on it, skewed the narrative, took that skewed narrative and grossly exaggerated it further, and denounced her as pro-Hamas. It's obvious to see with even a little bit of reading and it's both frightening and disgusting.
Uhh, no. It was not her mistake that biased media outlets with an agenda say she said something while not actually reporting the exact thing she said.
It's bad journalism, but I don't think anyone expects reputable journalists to take this matter seriously.
Yeah, I see your point and I agree.
No, that one comment was not vague, the only active "fighters" to be called "freedom fighters" were Hamas.
There is no ambiguity, no vagueness.
There is absolutely ambiguity, it just doesn't suit your worldview (or similar) so you lie. It's your right to lie, but just know that anyone who isn't dogmatic knows you're lying.
Good ol' Dubya set the stage for this 20 years ago. Yer either fer us or yer agin us. Either you support every thing we do without question or you support terrorism.
The stage was set long before him. He was just one step in the plan.
Bruh. The stage was set by British cunts in the early 20th century.
you mean another Western sanctioned genocide?
China with Uyghurs has been going on for a while with no response from the west.
Saudi Arabia, UAE etc wih Yemen, the weapons were sold for ot by the west.
I'm not sure how you consider the Uyghurs a western sanctioned genocide, if anything it's only the western media that is drawing any attention to it whatsoever.
no sactions though, are there?
So... The west is the only one who gives a damn, but somehow it's their fault because they're not doing enough?
does the west give a damn though?
media reporting it I don't really qualify as giving a damn.
I would also wager that if I go out on the street here in slovakia and start asking people about it most people would look at me like an idiot and say, WTF is "Uyghurs"?
Slovakia is like, the most eastern of the West
The word sanction is an antonym of itself. You're disingenuously arguing semantics.
Sanction: noun Authoritative permission or approval that makes a course of action valid.
Sanction: noun The penalty for noncompliance with a law or legal order.
When people use the term "sanctioned genocide," they are almost assuredly using the first definition.
The Uyghur Genocide is not sanctioned by the west because, unlike Gaza and Yemen, this genocide doesn't have the support of most western governments.
The lack of economic sanctions against China does not make the Uyghur genocide a sanctioned one. Despite using the same word.
"Evil wins when good men do nothing" or is that notbhow the saying goes?
I am not arguing semantics, it's just my view that the lack of sanctions by the west for China for commiting genocide is about as good as sanctioning it.
I don't think that's a far fetched view, I think you are the one arguing semantics, or the exact meaning of words rather than realizing the lack of action against evil is about as good as an endorsement of it.
It's a sad commentary on the state of education nowadays that I also initially assumed that you were dumb enough to not know the difference between "sanctioned genocide" and "applying sanctions"
I've had enough "well regulated militia" arguments that it's scarred me
Of course not. We can't risk losing out on cheap Chinese crap for Prime Day!
There's a difference between just looking the other way and actively endorsing it.
The West is 100% backing Israel and they're not letting this chance go. Palestininans are going to be killed and deported, including Israeli Arabs. I call it. Something will happen in the West Bank soon or even in Israel itself and then Israel will come up with its own "final solution". We'll definitely see mass expulsions. The propaganda machine is already clearing the road ahead.
And when we see what we were actually endorsing we'll try to take back our support but it'll be too late. Their blood will be in our hands.
There's a difference between just looking the other way and actively endorsing it.
let's agree to disagree. I unfortunately have this nice example from history where they looked he other way, until they couldn't.
maybe you have heard of it it's like one of those rare sequels that's a bigger box office hot than the first installments WW something
Calling Hamas "freedom fighters" is an insult to every real current and past freedom fighter in history of mankind.
Freedom fighters dont choose targets that are exclusively civilian, they don't hunt down and execute civilians, nit caring about their beliefs or standing. They don't spread terror among the civilian population. All of these things make the thing they are fighting stronger and puts the rest of the population against them. It's what terrorists do.
Why do you think people in the zionist government support Hamas?! Because it serves to justify the hanous things the government does against Palestinians as a whole.
Real freedom fighters choose infrastructure, smaller military targets (that are reachable), political assassinations of the government officials they are against, et cetera.
These cause civilian casualties, but the civilian casualties are not the goal, they are the byproduct.
Palestinians deserve so much more than Hamas, but Hamas won't let them choose. They silence or kill anyone who disagrees with them, be it Israeli of Palestinian.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Fuck Hamas.
She did clarify that she was talking about Palestinian civilians filming the missile attacks on civilian homes and such, calling them freedom fighters for documenting atrocities
It’s what terrorists do.
This particular sentence is not entirely correct, as it implies that freedom fighters can't use terror tactics and thus be terrorists.
Say, if some Armenian force (there are none that'd have the balls) would bomb the Mingechaur dam, the pipes and infrastructure going through Tovuz, other smaller hydroelectric objects etc in Azerbaijan, - these would be actions aimed at fighting for freedom, but very important part of their effect would be terror.
In some way any violent activity aimed at denying someone their feeling of safety is terrorism. Like, say, allied bombing campaign of Germany (its goals were even formulated like that).
I agree that Hamas are not freedom fighters, their ideology is pretty Nazi.
There is again difference between blowing up a strategic dam and attacking a concert full of civilians.
First can have some actual strategic importance, cutting out energy, interrupting travel, et cetera.
It causes terror and civilian causalities, but that is again, a byproduct. If the latter is greater than the former it doesn't add to the revolutionary goal, I would argue it damages it and causes more harm than good for the group.
Second is pure terror, it serves no purpose for the group, vilianizes them to the public and makes the government they are fighting against stronger.
Any action that doesn't help with a revolutionary goal or even detracts from it, is useless.
Any action with no strategic importance and only creating terror is not only evil, but harms the group more then it helps.
There is a massive difference between terrorism and freedom fighting.
I am not saying freedom fighting groups don't do terrorism, we dont live in a perfect world.
What I am saying that terrorism has no benefits and only harms not only the innocent but also the group commiting it.
OK, with this I agree.
Putting aside whether terror is strategic, taking hostages is a strategy.
Killing houndreds of innocent unarmed civilians isn't
Are you saying if one element of their response isn't strategic then it doesn't matter about the rest?
Nope, as I stated otherwise.
I am saying that non strategic acts harm the cause more than strategic help it.
Hamas does much more non strategic acts than strategic acts, to such an extent that calling them a freedom fighting group is objectively false.
Thanks for clarifying.
Hamas hunt down and execute civilians? I mean I'm pro Hamas, but even if you think they are evil, you know they need them for Negotiations and hostage exchange right?
Yes. Literary, yes. Hunting down and killing random civilians was their stated goal.
They might say that they took the hostages for negotiations, but it's much more likely they took them as human shields. Just how they always used innocent palestinians.
It's funny how you can unironcally say that you are pro hamas. You might as well be pro ISIS or pro Taliban.
Pro Taliban yes, pro ISIS no. They are different things.
Where did Hamas state their goal is hunting down civilians? Do you follow their Telegram Channel, or that of the spokeperson Abu_'ubaidah or Al-Jazeerah? I mean you can say this is their real goal that you deducted from watching media, but not the stated. Hamas are not even using hate speech against Jews or Israeli group anymore, they declare their enemy as Zionism.
Besides you say Hamas are using human shields, Hamas actually have a network underground, so they are always away from Israeli bombing and they state that. It is literally a hobby for Netenyaho to bomb Palestinian Civilians to pressure them so they turn back against Hamas, exactly how Terrorist movements work.
Captured documents of hamas fighters clearly state that their targets were mainly civilian.
Isn't she the pornstar that tried desperately not to be called that and to have that stuff forgotten? Why was she at playboy anyway?
She’s flip-flopped multiple times on it. She’s happy to be referred to as a (former) porn star when it financially benefits her.
She was doing a podcast for Playboy.
Lol of course she was.
What did she say? I don't want news to tell me how to feel.
She said that the execution and murder videos would have been better viewing if they had flipped their phones horizontally.
I mean that's incredibly poor taste and way out of line, but I wouldn't call that "pro-hamas" or deserving of being fired.
It has more taste when you realise it wasn't referring to videos of the HAMAS atrocities, but of Israeli atrocities.
Some people take the portrait vs. landscape argument way to seriously.
There is no extreme too extreme in the war against the verticles.
And we still haven’t made a phone that does landscape video while held vertically.
I thought you were joking at first. In what universe could this be considered supporting them?
How else do you interpret that statement?
Dark humour.
Consider the following fictional situation:
A news story comes out detailing a terrible tragedy where some people were stuck in a collapsed mine for months and that they had to eat one of their dead to survive. A horrible situation by all accounts. One of the miners is later interviewed and they mention how bad it was to have to eat someone. Someone then posts online saying this: "Next time it won't taste so bad if you add some salt and pepper."
Is the person who made the post condoning cannibalism? Of course not. Was the comment in poor taste? Absolutely. (Pun not intended)
maybe the "film horizontally" part.
but the "Freedom Fighters" Part is a clear Endorsement from her.
"I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that's what the Palestinian citizens are... fighting for freedom every day.
I was only referring to the "film horizontally" part, which is what the original comment (that I thought was a joke) was referring to.
right, but that's not what was bad about what she said. You can't just Cherry-Pick what you like and leave out what you don't.
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that's what the Palestinian citizens are... fighting for freedom every day.
how anyone can say that after seeing what they did to Shani Louk and all the others is a mystery to me.
This is absolutely inexcusable Behaviour and she should feel Consequences for it.
Hamas as an organization doesn't represent the Palestine people as whole, and an individual Hamas fighter even less so.
While your typical Palestine farmer might not be too fond of all the killing and murdering done by Hamas terrorists, atleast they're killing and murdering the people they perceive to be most at fault for the situation they're living in. Nobody can say, with a straight face, that there's not atleast a kernel of truth behind that belief.
Still - indiscriminately killing innocent civilians is not the way.
Right, but she was talking about the Hamas Fighters.
Uninvolved Palestinians didn't film shit. So they couldn't flip their Phones Horizontal.
She explicitly said she wasn't. She was talking about the civilians recording the Israeli retaliation attacks.
Most videos I've seen have either been recorded by civilians or IDF. I've only seen few from Hamas' point of view.
Hamas as an organization doesn’t represent the Palestinian people as a whole
I thought Hamas was the democratically elected government of those people?
In Gaza yeah. Not on the west bank which is the bulk of Palestine. If I remember correctly those elections were like 17 years ago and they got around 45% of the vote
Oh! I heard they were democratically elected, I guess I just assumed it was part of a functioning democracy. No elections for seventeen years isn’t a functioning democracy though.
Does everything your government does reflect your personal wishes?
No, but it does represent me.
Not even that. She's not talking about HAMAS, but about average Palestinians filming atrocities by the IDF
So your job is to be a sexy liberal Arab but not, like, too liberal or too Arab.
And definitely not praising the people who just went through a music festival with guns and indiscriminately killed people and dragged off other ones.
A woman whose husband is missing was being interviewed. She said that whenever her baby would cry in their hiding place, bullets would fly through the wall of the shed where they were hiding.
Why anyone would have praise for that organization I cannot fathom.
Good thing she didn't actually praise anyone who just went through a music festival with guns. But nice job making that assumption instead of actually reading the quote.
Her comment suggests the videos of interest are being filmed by the freedom fighters.
I am unaware of any armed Palestinian group which fights the Israeli government for their independence. Who is the only other group that someone could (somehow) construe as freedom fighters that's taking videos?
Unless she's calling the Israeli army freedom fighters and they have people filming in their midst, there's only one group she can be talking about, and they went through a music festival with guns.
Don't stop at just reading the comment. Comprehend it. Analyze it.
Edit: And that includes your own comments. There are indeed other groups involved which aren't Hamas, and she was referring to civilians. Incredibly poor wording if she's telling the truth, but I see no reason to not give her that benefit of the doubt.
So instead of responding to my actual point, you went on this lengthy rant. K.
The edit was me eating crow and saying she should get the benefit of the doubt.
Politics is kind of fucked
I came here thinking this sounds like she might be getting woke-cancelled for suggesting Israel is pure as driven snow...
Khalifa even urged Hamas fighters to "flip their phones and film" executions horizontally in one of her posts.
Nevermind, she can go fuck herself with a cactus.
If you think military fighters executing civilians is an acceptable strategy, you probably deserve to be among those civilians and see how you like it.
They took her comment grossly out of context for effect. The actual quote was...
“Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal."
Yeah, pretty tasteless, but it's not what the article makes it out to be. She's largely getting dragged for openly criticizing Israel's genocide and the media is skewing the situation to make her look worse. Can't have the masses questioning the party line and all.
The real controversy seems to be around her calling them fromage fighters.
Edit: FREEDOM fighters lmao, but I can't bring myself to fix it.
Telling a porn star to "go fuck herself" made me chuckle more than it should
I see Im required here..
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One of my favorite insults is saying someone should shove a rusty cactus up their ass.
I think we just became best friends. Or at least, to not be presumptive, you've gained a new fan.
Your moment has come!!
Considering Israel is carpet bombing and entire city of non-combatants perhaps you should get some perspective.
So two wrongs do make a right, then?
FUCK Hamas with a cactus
FUCK the Israel government with a cactus
Agreed
Is this the right time to get into the cactus growing business?
BOTH SIDES BAD !!! I'm very smart :)
You don't need to know that Israel are carpet bombing a city (which is wrong) to know that Hamas executing civilians is also wrong. Neither side are justified in the horrific war crimes they are committing.
I don't know if I can jerk off to her in good conscious anymore.
Ill never enjoy jerking off to her again. From now on, Ill only be angry and disappointed while jerking off to her.
The hijab thing got a whole new dimension
Were they pro-Hamas or pro-Palestine?
Pro Hamas. Right after the latest gruesome terror attacks, she called the terrorists of Hamas "Palestine freedom fighters" and proclaimed that actions by Palestinians were always justified, thereby expressing her support for Hamas and their terror attacks.
I just took a look at the pinned article but didn't see any pro Hamas tweets, just anti-zionist and pro Palestinian.
Can you quote it for me, I admit I did kinda skim it.
*She posted on X on Oct 7, which now stands deleted, saying, “Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.” She added "If you can look at the situation in Palestine and not be on the side of Pal...
The posts were in the article I linked + the one above (might be the same one, I just googled another one that has the quotes - I'm on mobile, don't expect too much ;)). She is not using the name of Hamas, but she is calling them "Palestinian freedom fighters. **It is by the timing that we know that she was talking about Hamas. **
She made those posts shortly after the attacks, when social media was being filled with footage of Hamas. Hamas fighters post videos in portrait format of them gunning down civilians, Mia Khalifa posts shortly after and asks the "Palestinian freedom fighters" for videos in landscape format. So she called the terrorists who were indiscriminately killing civilians, freedom fighters, thereby tacitly supporting their actions. Strike 1.
In a second follow up post, she states that one should always be on the side of Palestinians, implying that in her eyes the atrocities that were committed just hours before, were justified because they were committed by Palestinians. No nuance, exceptions or caveats, for her, anything done in the name of Palestinians against Israël is apparently justified, no matter how heinous. Strike 2.
A 3rd post was about Palestinians tearing down their prison walls, which mostly just went to show how incredibly stupid and ignorant this woman is. It's possible that she misunderstood the situation and thought that those terror attacks were the start of a bigger offensive with the aim of ending Palestine oppression.
There are plenty of people who support fully liberating the west bank without applauding terror attacks against civilians, but she chose to start applauding right after the images of the terror attacks hit the media. It's only much later that she started retracting her statements and proclaiming that she wasn't talking about Hamas.
Ahhh yeah, I missed that deleted one.
Well to be fully honest, freedom fighters and terrorists are the same thing, just from two perspectives. The average afghani villager probably won’t consider their current government terrorists, even if a large part of the western world does.
One man’s terrrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
An example of what you're saying is the pkk in Turkey. Turkey calls them terrorists, while a lot of people still view them as a party fighting for freedom. But the pkk and it's armed wing have never committed indiscriminate mass massacres of civilians. The endgoal of the pkk is also not the total destruction of the Turks, but rather the self determination of the Kurds.
Hamas on the other hand has as endgame the total genocide of Jews and has no qualms in indiscriminately massacring civilians.
About Hamas there is no nuance: they are genocidal terrorists.
Please be very careful. We don't really know what the truth is but this story may be a part of disinformation effort used right now to justify military action against civilians.
Ty, I'll edit my comment.
Yes, those freedom fighters bravely raped and murdered a music festival full of people for the glory of Palestinian freedom.
Hamas are Terrorist. They don't fight for freedom they fight for Terror.
Pro-Palestine. One of her posts was ambiguous - "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”
The media propaganda machine was more than happy to pretend that was directed to Hamas, and then went on to fabricate that it was in reference to civilian executions, but it's all 100% bullshit.
If at a time when terrorists of Hamas are releasing a ton videos of their terror attacks, you say "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”, then you are calling those terrorists freedom fighters. And if you call terrorists freedom fighters, then you are tacitly supporting those terrorists and their acts of terror. Especially if you do this right after one of the most brutal attacks against civilians that we have seen in the last few years.
You can assume that's what she meant, but you don't actually know that - you're just putting words into someone's mouth. She even clarified later that's exactly what she DIDN'T mean. This is also a time when Israel is bombing largely defenseless citizens. If you're going to make assumptions about the intent of a statement, it's also valid to assume she's referring to this.
Not every Palestinian is a member or supporter of Hamas, and not every person who fights for the freedom of the Palestinians is a member or supporter of Hamas.
Since she was joking about civilians executions, I think they were pro go fuck yourself mia
Anyone that gets their geopolitical opinions from a pornstar has some serious self reflecting to do. Firing her, or leaving her employeed, will make little difference in the world.
I don't think this was about her opinions as much as it was about here shitty taste of humor.
Since she was joking about civilians executions...
Except she wasn't. That's the line the media is pushing but, if you actually read what she wrote -
"Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal."
there's no reference, direct or inferred, to Hamas or civilian executions. The propaganda machine is working overtime.
If the 'freedom fighters" aren't hamas, then who was she talking about?
Any of the civilians in the Gaza prison camp that documents the situation could be reasonably called a freedom fighter.
“I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is enticing spread of violence, I specifically said freedom fighters because that's what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.”
When referring to execution videos then yes, you're a dick when saying that.
I'll never understand why people like you seem to practically fall over themselves, making things up to justify being upset at situations. You're all bizarre.
Good, fuck Hamas.
Playboy still exists? I used to have a subscription.
I'm surprised too. That said, I wish Christie Hefner's plan for making a separate issue without the girls came to fruition. Playboy has always had excellent interviews and fiction. People like Margaret Atwood and Kurt Vonnegut wrote for Playboy. I have a Playboy anthology of science fiction and it's terrific.
Unfortunately, Playboy is usually just looked at as a lurid skin rag.
She looks like a penguin in that coat xD
Ah yes, more misrepresentation and intentional misinterpretation of commentary in order to support the Zionist agenda. She didn’t praise or even mention Hamas in her comment at all. This article is just another cog in the propaganda machine.
This pro-Israeli propaganda cycle has been the most disgusting I’ve ever seen. People that never have a comment on anything are coming out of the woodwork, frothing at the mouth over anyone speaking out against state-backed ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Playboy is still around? That's more surprising than whoever that slut is..
Some people have zero sense of context, it's laughable lol
Shouting "I support Gaza !!" on every roof RIGHT NOW, has exactly the opposite effect
I too support civilians living their lives peacefully, but we are talking about terrorists here
Israel has been killing civilians for years and have racked up a far higher body count. Are they living their lives peacefully?
I too support civilians living their lives peacefully, but we are talking about terrorists here
Hamas has done awful things, but that doesn't mean Israel is good.
Before this happened, violenc between settlers in the Westbank and native Palestinians had tripled compared to 2022, to 3 per day, while the world news cycles were preoccupied with Ukraine.
Are you talking about settlers that have for decades stolen the Palestinians ancestral homes? Kicked them out of the house they were born in without any compensation. If that happened to me in my home I would too go radical cause at that point diplomacy has failed.
Ironic that you would talk about zero sense of context when siding with the people ignoring crucial context.
Mia Khalifa was NOT talking about terrorists. She was talking about the oppressed people of Palestine who film the atrocities of the Israeli apartheid government. She didn’t mention Hamas and since they're not usually the ones filming THEIR atrocities, it's clear that she wasn't referring to them either. Especially when you add her own clarification to the equation:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that's what the Palestinian citizens are... fighting for freedom every day."
It was still a bad post, at least based on how it reads to the average unknowing person.
Yeah, it was worded imprecisely enough to make misinterpretation possible, which is always a bad move when discussing contentious issues no matter your intention.
Definitely wasn't bad enough that she deserved being immediately fired, cancelled and defamed as a terrorism sympathiser, though.
Yeah I'll agree with that. It was exceptionally poor wording and it comes down to the benefit of the doubt if you believe she worded it poorly vs ... yeah. But the deserves the benefit of the doubt.
She could have just started with "My heart goes to Israeli victims" or stuff like that, before tagging "Free Palestine" at the end. That would fly without a hurdle.
So she's not allowed to express solidarity with the Palestinian victims of Israeli oppression without also mentioning the Israeli victims of Hamas terrorism?
Are people not allowed to express solidarity with Israeli victims without also mentioning Palestinian victims either?
Did I ever mentionned "not allowed"? I said mentionning killer's family on a victim's funeral is A LITTLE un-diplomatic sir
Except that's not in any way close to analogous to the situation.
well, that's totally how many people see it. That's a fact.
It might be a fact that many people see it that way, but that would just mean that many people are wrong. Many people believe all sorts of ridiculous lies and distortions of reality.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
You don't provide compelling arguments neither, you just say "You are wrong, I am right"
I only point out that it was pretty bold tweet given the circumstances
I have laid out compelling arguments based on the real world context of what's happening, what her words are most likely to mean given that context, even explained which part was misunderstood and what the most rational explanation for that was.
I've done part or all of that at least a handful of times in replies throughout the comments of this post. I have also conceded that it might have been an ill-advised way of saying things because a public figure being less than 100% clear about a statement regarding anything contentious can and most often WILL open the door to misinterpretations, whether honest or wilfully manipulative.
That's as close to "you are wrong, I am right" as a fiberglass canoe is to a shoddily made origami boat.
Except in this instance the killer's family is tied up in the corner of the funeral home actively being murdered by the victim's uncle
It was a very poor choice of wording to say freedom fighters to refer to civilians. It was just as poor to mention videos without any information whatsoever on the contents of the videos. Perhaps this is one giant misunderstanding.
Either way, a statement referring to a video from freedom fighters in the region right now without any context immediately brings to mind the carnage from the terrorist attack.
This smells really fishy. They quote her directly when it comes to her taking the side of Palestinians in general (aka, the oppressed population) but when it comes to her supposed support of Hamas in particular, all there is in the article is a paraphrase of THEIR version, not a direct quote.
Sounds like a political hit job.
There’s this idea going around that directly quoting the thing a person got cancelled for is spreading whatever hate they were spreading.
The obvious side effect of such a practice is that people who get silenced never get their side of the story told.
I find that sketchy as well
Actually, it turned out that the article DOES directly quote what she was cancelled for. It was just that the article made it sound like she'd declared her undying loyalty to Hamas when in actual fact she hadn't even mentioned them. I'm just gonna copy a comment of mine from earlier today explaining the whole thing:
That's all. If you're very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you'd think that she was endorsing Hamas as "freedom fighters".
But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you'll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren't usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it's clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:
I don't think a reputable publication would post hate speech verbatim, even if it's from someone else. There might be an archive somewhere?
Not true. They post hate speech from right wing politicians verbatim all the time.
As for the tweets being somewhere else, it seems that it's this:
To the inattentive and/or wilfully misinterpreting, that might come off as an endorsement of Hamas as "freedom fighters", but note that she doesn't mention Hamas by name and that Hamas aren't usually the ones filming any of their atrocities.
Add her clarification from a few days later and it's clear she's talking about regular people filming the atrocities of the Israeli oppressors and isn't referring to terrorism at all, unless you define it broadly enough to include the Israeli state terrorism:
As I suspected, she didn't do what they said she did. She just had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime.
I tried to read all her Tweets despite not having a Twitter account and yes, none of them mention Hamas or support Hamas. She's just telling people to tear down the wall.
Apparently, that's only okay in Berlin and other places. Clearly tearing down the siege wall surrounding Gaza or the apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.
Down with the goddamn fucking walls.
Not to mention thousands being forced to go through military checkpoints to reach the nearest schools and hospitals, if they're lucky enough to even be allowed to pass.
Tweet deleted, but referenced in this news source
I believe the use of the term "freedom fighters" is the point of contention.
She meant freedom fighters, not necessarily Hamas. She seems to have also clarified in another tweet what she meant by that.
Yes this exact quote is featured two posts up in the thread
"If you can look at the situation and not be on the side of Palestinians, then you are on the wrong side of apartheid and history will show that in time,"
This post on her part was fine, but the other one...not so much. She should have stuck with this one only, rather than whatever the frick murderous thing that other post was.
Keep in mind she was a Lebanese refugee that lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel. I'm not condoning anything she said but she has a somewhat understandable view of the whole situation.
And what about the conflict between actual Lebanon and what became Hezbollah?
Dunno why this is getting downvoted, the only Lebanese folks who don't despise Hazbollah are Hezbollah, and the Iranian dispatched clerics.
So it justifies murdering children. Got it. We know where you stand!
Israel just murdered 200 children in 3 days, so far. Was that justified?
Oh, but they're Palestinian so they don't count. Otherwise people like you would have lost their minds decades ago.
When the Hamas murders children it's terrorism, it's an atrocity, it's inhuman (and I agree).
When the IDF murders children it's Tuesday.
It's on the news every day. And people like you couldn't care less.
Keep chewing on that nice Zionist propaganda. I choose humanity.
Why can't we condemn both?
Hamas committed atrocities and Israel has responded with atrocities. That doesn't make calling Hamas "freedom fighters" in this context any less deplorable.
I don't think she was refering to Hamas as freedom fighters. Everybody was just eager to put it in her mouth (eh).
Answering your question, yes, we can condemn them both. But in different ways.
Israel "created" Hamas. You can only push a people so far. The oppression and humiliation, generation after generation is bound to create extreme hate. And that's how shit like Hamas sprouts. Israel has been breeding that hate for decades.
But...Hamas actions are still their own. I can live in a world with Israel if Israel changes. But Hamas has to go. But something else will appear if Israel keeps pushing on the Palestinians. Hamas is a symptom.
The cycle of violence has to be broken. And the one that has the upper hand has to do it to be effective. The 2 state solution is dead. It's ironic that these 2 peoples can't live with each other but at the same time they need each other.
Palestine is too fractured to thrive without Israel. Israel, while it might not seem so, needs to make good with Palestine to consolidate its place in the region. Without that peace Israel is doomed on the long term. When the chips are down and the US is not there to help they will find themselves completely isolated surrounded by hostile countries. And that Israel cannot survive.
sapere aude, friend
Is there a quote for the other post? I heard it was just paraphrased, so we don't know what she actually said
That's all. If you're very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you'd think that she was endorsing Hamas as "freedom fighters".
But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you'll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren't usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it's clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:
I'm confused. Who else is fighting besides Hamas and the IDF?
There are other kinds of fighting than violence on a grand scale. Regular Palestinians are fighting the apartheid regime in ways big and small every day.
Thanks, that's pretty much what I figured you'd say. The down vote was a nice touch.
Yeah, I have this odd quirk of downvoting sealions when they ask bad faith questions with obvious answers that they refuse to accept. I'm kooky like that!
How do you distinguish between a good faith question and “sealioning”?
A good faith question is when you're honestly seeking clarification either because you don't know something or don't know what the other person means.
Sealioning is when you're "just asking questions" in a manipulative manner with no intention of taking the answers seriously under consideration or making a valid point of your own.
It's often used in place of an actual argument when the sea lion knows that their point isn't strong enough to withstand scrutiny.
Here's the origin of the term afaik:
defining is when you decide or declare that a certain string of words is equivalent to a word.
distinguishing is when you decide or declare which of two categories a particular thing is in
I know the definition of these words. I’m asking you distinguish, as you read comments on the internet, which are which kind?
Subtle, I like it
Can you please tell me how else can you interpret that statement other than her asking for better footage of the atrocities committed by the Hamas?
Hamas don't tend to film their own atrocities and they're not the only ones committing atrocities.
Israel is also committing atrocities and the oppressed citizens of Palestine are filming a lot of it. THAT'S the footage she asked to be recorded in landscape rather than portrait.
Perhaps still not in the best taste for a public platform, but it's a damn sight better than endorsing terrorism like this article and others are incorrectly claiming.
Why don't "freedom fighters" don't "fight" the atrocities rather than film them?
Keep in mind this was said in the context of the Hamas attack.
Seems like you people are just whitewashing her.
You're seriously asking why regular unarmed people are documenting human rights abuses rather than physically attack heavily armed soldiers who are in the middle of demonstrating how little Palestinian lives matter to them? Is that what you're actually asking?
Also, who says it was said in the context of the latest Hamas atrocity? Judging by the actual words and sentences, it would seem much more likely to be in response to bad video of the retaliatory atrocities of the Israeli oppressors.
Seems like you're very eager to tar and feather her for speaking up against your favorite ethnostate.
those regular civilians should hit the missiles with baseball bats, that'll show 'em. Much more effective than filming the atrocities being inflicted upon them and spreading the word online!
She said "freedom fighters", not "civilians".
In the largest apartheid concentration camp on earth, the civilian prisoners who document and expose their oppressors to the world are fighting for their freedom
Holly shit the mental gymnastics here are astounding. You're just casually assuming that she is some kind of top geopolitical expert.
Nope. I'm merely refraining from assuming without evidence that she's endorsing terrorism.
You don't have to be "some kind of top geopolitical expert" to know that Hamas don't tend to film their atrocities themselves and that oppressed Palestinians very often film the atrocities of the Israeli occupation forces.
If there's any mental gymnastics here, it's in confusing common knowledge for elite geopolitical expertise.
I think you don't realise how little knowledge "common knowledge" actually is. Peolple on lemmee arent you're average joe when it comes to geopolitical knowledge. I am not dismissing her knowledge eitherx but i believe you are overestimating it.
Yeah because a Lebanese-American public figure who sympathises with the plight of Palestine has NEVER had to answer bad faith arguments equating Hamas with all Palestinians and would thus have NO need for more knowledge about the methods of them than your average inattentive and incurious casual ingester of pro-regime billionaire-owned American news! 🙄
Reminds me of how planet of the apes was suddenly about antisemitism...
there's no way a thinking person would come to the conclusion you just did
There's no way that a rationally thinking person WOULDN'T. How's the weather in opposite world today?
its ok, im used to seeing absolutely stupid takes since the weekend so yours isnt exactly a surprise
Yeah I'M the stupid one, not the arrogant shit for brains whose sole contribution is to do a less intelligent version of Nelson Muntz at people who actually base their arguments on real world context coupled with reading the actual words rather than imagining completely different ones 🙄
Found a picture of you btw.
that is by far, the lamest insult I have ever received. You should be proud!
if anyone wants to know, its a picture of a camera. Old mate called me a camera.
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just stick to fapping, you really wanked up your responses, need more practice
It's like she didn't realize her CEO was Jewish
Not all jews are zionists and implying so is antisemitic. It's the same old "dual-loyalty" smear levied against jews for hundreds of years.
Guess this one was though, eh?
I did not know thank you for letting me know
What does being Jewish have to do with Israel? Are you conflating the two? Blaming Jews for what Israel has been doing for decades is pretty anti-semetic.
No it's just that Jews have gotten prickly about anyone criticizing Israel because of how much trouble anti-zionism has had banishing anti-semitism from trying to infiltrate.
It's only changed because the Neonazis have absorbed enough evangelicals to decide they like the jews having Israel now because battle of Armageddon and "I know revelations says it is impossible to know when the rapture will happen but I'm gonna try and make it happen anyways like an absolute dumbass!"
Stop putting words in my mouth
That's the problem with a lot of the pro Palestine movement, they just can't help themselves and can't just stop at demanding rights, but wanting the rights of others removed as well. Western nations just aren't going up empathize with you if you're murdering and parading women's corpses around, or if you're threatening to kill hostages, many of which are children. As much as you may not like it, there's a difference optically between dropping a bomb and putting a gun to a child's head and pulling the trigger cause you didn't get your way.
All i get from this post is "genocides fine, its the other stuff we dont like"
Quite easy to critique a movement you know nothing about I guess.
Poor take
This seems so familiar but I can't quite put my finger on it...
The irony is so thick, Israel could build a wall around the West Bank with it.
What a shit article. All she did was support the Palestinian cause and now they're putting shit in her mouth (no pun intended).
I don't like how the narrative is being forced in this conflict. They are clearing the way for something very sinister. We're about to witness a western sanctioned genocide. There's no way Israel is letting this opportunity go.
Something is going to happen soon in the West Bank too, I call it.
Look man, you can support Palestine, but telling the soldiers to turn their phones horizontally for better execution videos of civilians is a bit much.
Is that what she said?
She did, but she removed it https://twitter.com/miakhalifa/status/1710663220619313397
So... she didn't say that. Those words are very different.
Well, that's your choice to side with her on that. A lot of people are interpreting it as 1) a terrible time to try to be funny and 2) can easily be interpreted as support for Hamas, until she got a ton of backlash and it started to cost her money and then she 'totes didn't mean it that way, just a prank, for realz!'
It really is a choice to claim someone said something which they did not actually say at all.
Saying "they said x and I think they meant y" is entirely different from claiming "they said y" while knowing they in fact said x.
This is not controversial. Interpretations are fine, actively crafting disinformation is not.
That was her mistake - the comment was too vague, so the media jumped on it, skewed the narrative, took that skewed narrative and grossly exaggerated it further, and denounced her as pro-Hamas. It's obvious to see with even a little bit of reading and it's both frightening and disgusting.
Uhh, no. It was not her mistake that biased media outlets with an agenda say she said something while not actually reporting the exact thing she said.
It's bad journalism, but I don't think anyone expects reputable journalists to take this matter seriously.
Yeah, I see your point and I agree.
No, that one comment was not vague, the only active "fighters" to be called "freedom fighters" were Hamas.
There is no ambiguity, no vagueness.
There is absolutely ambiguity, it just doesn't suit your worldview (or similar) so you lie. It's your right to lie, but just know that anyone who isn't dogmatic knows you're lying.
Hmm. That's actually not that bad.
It's nice to see original sources for things. Everyone likes to twist and distort reality to support their agenda.
Who are the Palestinian freedom fighters she's referring to?
Edit: She clarifies she means the civilians. It's an awful choice of wording, but I can give her the benefit of the doubt.
She said "Palestinian freedom fighters" - it's telling that when people read that they think she means Hamas.
Good ol' Dubya set the stage for this 20 years ago. Yer either fer us or yer agin us. Either you support every thing we do without question or you support terrorism.
The stage was set long before him. He was just one step in the plan.
Bruh. The stage was set by British cunts in the early 20th century.
you mean another Western sanctioned genocide?
China with Uyghurs has been going on for a while with no response from the west.
Saudi Arabia, UAE etc wih Yemen, the weapons were sold for ot by the west.
I'm not sure how you consider the Uyghurs a western sanctioned genocide, if anything it's only the western media that is drawing any attention to it whatsoever.
no sactions though, are there?
So... The west is the only one who gives a damn, but somehow it's their fault because they're not doing enough?
does the west give a damn though?
media reporting it I don't really qualify as giving a damn.
I would also wager that if I go out on the street here in slovakia and start asking people about it most people would look at me like an idiot and say, WTF is "Uyghurs"?
Slovakia is like, the most eastern of the West
The word sanction is an antonym of itself. You're disingenuously arguing semantics.
Sanction: noun Authoritative permission or approval that makes a course of action valid.
Sanction: noun The penalty for noncompliance with a law or legal order.
When people use the term "sanctioned genocide," they are almost assuredly using the first definition.
The Uyghur Genocide is not sanctioned by the west because, unlike Gaza and Yemen, this genocide doesn't have the support of most western governments.
The lack of economic sanctions against China does not make the Uyghur genocide a sanctioned one. Despite using the same word.
"Evil wins when good men do nothing" or is that notbhow the saying goes?
I am not arguing semantics, it's just my view that the lack of sanctions by the west for China for commiting genocide is about as good as sanctioning it.
I don't think that's a far fetched view, I think you are the one arguing semantics, or the exact meaning of words rather than realizing the lack of action against evil is about as good as an endorsement of it.
It's a sad commentary on the state of education nowadays that I also initially assumed that you were dumb enough to not know the difference between "sanctioned genocide" and "applying sanctions"
I've had enough "well regulated militia" arguments that it's scarred me
Of course not. We can't risk losing out on cheap Chinese crap for Prime Day!
There's a difference between just looking the other way and actively endorsing it.
The West is 100% backing Israel and they're not letting this chance go. Palestininans are going to be killed and deported, including Israeli Arabs. I call it. Something will happen in the West Bank soon or even in Israel itself and then Israel will come up with its own "final solution". We'll definitely see mass expulsions. The propaganda machine is already clearing the road ahead.
And when we see what we were actually endorsing we'll try to take back our support but it'll be too late. Their blood will be in our hands.
let's agree to disagree. I unfortunately have this nice example from history where they looked he other way, until they couldn't.
maybe you have heard of it it's like one of those rare sequels that's a bigger box office hot than the first installments WW something
That is enough of a sin though
Reading these comments is fucking insane.
Calling Hamas "freedom fighters" is an insult to every real current and past freedom fighter in history of mankind.
Freedom fighters dont choose targets that are exclusively civilian, they don't hunt down and execute civilians, nit caring about their beliefs or standing. They don't spread terror among the civilian population. All of these things make the thing they are fighting stronger and puts the rest of the population against them. It's what terrorists do.
Why do you think people in the zionist government support Hamas?! Because it serves to justify the hanous things the government does against Palestinians as a whole.
Real freedom fighters choose infrastructure, smaller military targets (that are reachable), political assassinations of the government officials they are against, et cetera.
These cause civilian casualties, but the civilian casualties are not the goal, they are the byproduct.
Palestinians deserve so much more than Hamas, but Hamas won't let them choose. They silence or kill anyone who disagrees with them, be it Israeli of Palestinian.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Fuck Hamas.
She did clarify that she was talking about Palestinian civilians filming the missile attacks on civilian homes and such, calling them freedom fighters for documenting atrocities
This particular sentence is not entirely correct, as it implies that freedom fighters can't use terror tactics and thus be terrorists.
Say, if some Armenian force (there are none that'd have the balls) would bomb the Mingechaur dam, the pipes and infrastructure going through Tovuz, other smaller hydroelectric objects etc in Azerbaijan, - these would be actions aimed at fighting for freedom, but very important part of their effect would be terror.
In some way any violent activity aimed at denying someone their feeling of safety is terrorism. Like, say, allied bombing campaign of Germany (its goals were even formulated like that).
I agree that Hamas are not freedom fighters, their ideology is pretty Nazi.
There is again difference between blowing up a strategic dam and attacking a concert full of civilians.
First can have some actual strategic importance, cutting out energy, interrupting travel, et cetera.
It causes terror and civilian causalities, but that is again, a byproduct. If the latter is greater than the former it doesn't add to the revolutionary goal, I would argue it damages it and causes more harm than good for the group.
Second is pure terror, it serves no purpose for the group, vilianizes them to the public and makes the government they are fighting against stronger.
Any action that doesn't help with a revolutionary goal or even detracts from it, is useless.
Any action with no strategic importance and only creating terror is not only evil, but harms the group more then it helps.
There is a massive difference between terrorism and freedom fighting.
I am not saying freedom fighting groups don't do terrorism, we dont live in a perfect world. What I am saying that terrorism has no benefits and only harms not only the innocent but also the group commiting it.
OK, with this I agree.
Putting aside whether terror is strategic, taking hostages is a strategy.
Killing houndreds of innocent unarmed civilians isn't
Are you saying if one element of their response isn't strategic then it doesn't matter about the rest?
Nope, as I stated otherwise.
I am saying that non strategic acts harm the cause more than strategic help it.
Hamas does much more non strategic acts than strategic acts, to such an extent that calling them a freedom fighting group is objectively false.
Thanks for clarifying.
Hamas hunt down and execute civilians? I mean I'm pro Hamas, but even if you think they are evil, you know they need them for Negotiations and hostage exchange right?
Yes. Literary, yes. Hunting down and killing random civilians was their stated goal.
They might say that they took the hostages for negotiations, but it's much more likely they took them as human shields. Just how they always used innocent palestinians.
It's funny how you can unironcally say that you are pro hamas. You might as well be pro ISIS or pro Taliban.
Pro Taliban yes, pro ISIS no. They are different things.
Where did Hamas state their goal is hunting down civilians? Do you follow their Telegram Channel, or that of the spokeperson Abu_'ubaidah or Al-Jazeerah? I mean you can say this is their real goal that you deducted from watching media, but not the stated. Hamas are not even using hate speech against Jews or Israeli group anymore, they declare their enemy as Zionism.
Besides you say Hamas are using human shields, Hamas actually have a network underground, so they are always away from Israeli bombing and they state that. It is literally a hobby for Netenyaho to bomb Palestinian Civilians to pressure them so they turn back against Hamas, exactly how Terrorist movements work.
Captured documents of hamas fighters clearly state that their targets were mainly civilian.
Isn't she the pornstar that tried desperately not to be called that and to have that stuff forgotten? Why was she at playboy anyway?
She’s flip-flopped multiple times on it. She’s happy to be referred to as a (former) porn star when it financially benefits her.
She was doing a podcast for Playboy.
Lol of course she was.
What did she say? I don't want news to tell me how to feel.
She said that the execution and murder videos would have been better viewing if they had flipped their phones horizontally.
I mean that's incredibly poor taste and way out of line, but I wouldn't call that "pro-hamas" or deserving of being fired.
It has more taste when you realise it wasn't referring to videos of the HAMAS atrocities, but of Israeli atrocities.
Some people take the portrait vs. landscape argument way to seriously.
There is no extreme too extreme in the war against the verticles.
And we still haven’t made a phone that does landscape video while held vertically.
I thought you were joking at first. In what universe could this be considered supporting them?
How else do you interpret that statement?
Dark humour.
Consider the following fictional situation:
A news story comes out detailing a terrible tragedy where some people were stuck in a collapsed mine for months and that they had to eat one of their dead to survive. A horrible situation by all accounts. One of the miners is later interviewed and they mention how bad it was to have to eat someone. Someone then posts online saying this: "Next time it won't taste so bad if you add some salt and pepper."
Is the person who made the post condoning cannibalism? Of course not. Was the comment in poor taste? Absolutely. (Pun not intended)
maybe the "film horizontally" part.
but the "Freedom Fighters" Part is a clear Endorsement from her.
I was only referring to the "film horizontally" part, which is what the original comment (that I thought was a joke) was referring to.
right, but that's not what was bad about what she said. You can't just Cherry-Pick what you like and leave out what you don't.
how anyone can say that after seeing what they did to Shani Louk and all the others is a mystery to me.
This is absolutely inexcusable Behaviour and she should feel Consequences for it.
Hamas as an organization doesn't represent the Palestine people as whole, and an individual Hamas fighter even less so.
While your typical Palestine farmer might not be too fond of all the killing and murdering done by Hamas terrorists, atleast they're killing and murdering the people they perceive to be most at fault for the situation they're living in. Nobody can say, with a straight face, that there's not atleast a kernel of truth behind that belief.
Still - indiscriminately killing innocent civilians is not the way.
Right, but she was talking about the Hamas Fighters.
Uninvolved Palestinians didn't film shit. So they couldn't flip their Phones Horizontal.
She explicitly said she wasn't. She was talking about the civilians recording the Israeli retaliation attacks.
Most videos I've seen have either been recorded by civilians or IDF. I've only seen few from Hamas' point of view.
I thought Hamas was the democratically elected government of those people?
In Gaza yeah. Not on the west bank which is the bulk of Palestine. If I remember correctly those elections were like 17 years ago and they got around 45% of the vote
Oh! I heard they were democratically elected, I guess I just assumed it was part of a functioning democracy. No elections for seventeen years isn’t a functioning democracy though.
Does everything your government does reflect your personal wishes?
No, but it does represent me.
Not even that. She's not talking about HAMAS, but about average Palestinians filming atrocities by the IDF
I agree with Mia Khalifa
That's the true crime against humanity here.
It's pretty obvious what the intention was behind that original tweet and now she's trying to spin it because it's costing her money.
It was heinous! That’s all you need to know. The content has been judged and all you need to know is that judgment.
Imagine, a normal citizen attempting to interpret words himself!
So your job is to be a sexy liberal Arab but not, like, too liberal or too Arab.
And definitely not praising the people who just went through a music festival with guns and indiscriminately killed people and dragged off other ones.
A woman whose husband is missing was being interviewed. She said that whenever her baby would cry in their hiding place, bullets would fly through the wall of the shed where they were hiding.
Why anyone would have praise for that organization I cannot fathom.
Good thing she didn't actually praise anyone who just went through a music festival with guns. But nice job making that assumption instead of actually reading the quote.
Her comment suggests the videos of interest are being filmed by the freedom fighters.
I am unaware of any armed Palestinian group which fights the Israeli government for their independence. Who is the only other group that someone could (somehow) construe as freedom fighters that's taking videos?
Unless she's calling the Israeli army freedom fighters and they have people filming in their midst, there's only one group she can be talking about, and they went through a music festival with guns.
Don't stop at just reading the comment. Comprehend it. Analyze it.
Edit: And that includes your own comments. There are indeed other groups involved which aren't Hamas, and she was referring to civilians. Incredibly poor wording if she's telling the truth, but I see no reason to not give her that benefit of the doubt.
So instead of responding to my actual point, you went on this lengthy rant. K.
The edit was me eating crow and saying she should get the benefit of the doubt.
Politics is kind of fucked
I came here thinking this sounds like she might be getting woke-cancelled for suggesting Israel is pure as driven snow...
Nevermind, she can go fuck herself with a cactus.
If you think military fighters executing civilians is an acceptable strategy, you probably deserve to be among those civilians and see how you like it.
They took her comment grossly out of context for effect. The actual quote was...
Yeah, pretty tasteless, but it's not what the article makes it out to be. She's largely getting dragged for openly criticizing Israel's genocide and the media is skewing the situation to make her look worse. Can't have the masses questioning the party line and all.
The real controversy seems to be around her calling them fromage fighters.
Edit: FREEDOM fighters lmao, but I can't bring myself to fix it.
OMFG, I want to be a fromage fighter so bad.
Yes, please leave the fromage ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪
Fromage fighters? What a stinker.
Telling a porn star to "go fuck herself" made me chuckle more than it should
I see Im required here..
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One of my favorite insults is saying someone should shove a rusty cactus up their ass.
I think we just became best friends. Or at least, to not be presumptive, you've gained a new fan.
Your moment has come!!
Considering Israel is carpet bombing and entire city of non-combatants perhaps you should get some perspective.
So two wrongs do make a right, then?
FUCK Hamas with a cactus FUCK the Israel government with a cactus
Agreed
Is this the right time to get into the cactus growing business?
BOTH SIDES BAD !!! I'm very smart :)
You don't need to know that Israel are carpet bombing a city (which is wrong) to know that Hamas executing civilians is also wrong. Neither side are justified in the horrific war crimes they are committing.
Never said it was, dude.
I don't know if I can jerk off to her in good conscious anymore.
Ill never enjoy jerking off to her again. From now on, Ill only be angry and disappointed while jerking off to her.
The hijab thing got a whole new dimension
Were they pro-Hamas or pro-Palestine?
Pro Hamas. Right after the latest gruesome terror attacks, she called the terrorists of Hamas "Palestine freedom fighters" and proclaimed that actions by Palestinians were always justified, thereby expressing her support for Hamas and their terror attacks.
https://www.deccanherald.com/world/mia-khalifa-shows-support-to-palestine-amid-crisis-with-israel-sparks-row-2721465
I just took a look at the pinned article but didn't see any pro Hamas tweets, just anti-zionist and pro Palestinian.
Can you quote it for me, I admit I did kinda skim it.
*She posted on X on Oct 7, which now stands deleted, saying, “Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.” She added "If you can look at the situation in Palestine and not be on the side of Pal...
Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/world/mia-khalifa-shows-support-to-palestine-amid-crisis-with-israel-sparks-row-2721465*
The posts were in the article I linked + the one above (might be the same one, I just googled another one that has the quotes - I'm on mobile, don't expect too much ;)). She is not using the name of Hamas, but she is calling them "Palestinian freedom fighters. **It is by the timing that we know that she was talking about Hamas. **
She made those posts shortly after the attacks, when social media was being filled with footage of Hamas. Hamas fighters post videos in portrait format of them gunning down civilians, Mia Khalifa posts shortly after and asks the "Palestinian freedom fighters" for videos in landscape format. So she called the terrorists who were indiscriminately killing civilians, freedom fighters, thereby tacitly supporting their actions. Strike 1.
In a second follow up post, she states that one should always be on the side of Palestinians, implying that in her eyes the atrocities that were committed just hours before, were justified because they were committed by Palestinians. No nuance, exceptions or caveats, for her, anything done in the name of Palestinians against Israël is apparently justified, no matter how heinous. Strike 2.
A 3rd post was about Palestinians tearing down their prison walls, which mostly just went to show how incredibly stupid and ignorant this woman is. It's possible that she misunderstood the situation and thought that those terror attacks were the start of a bigger offensive with the aim of ending Palestine oppression.
There are plenty of people who support fully liberating the west bank without applauding terror attacks against civilians, but she chose to start applauding right after the images of the terror attacks hit the media. It's only much later that she started retracting her statements and proclaiming that she wasn't talking about Hamas.
Ahhh yeah, I missed that deleted one.
Well to be fully honest, freedom fighters and terrorists are the same thing, just from two perspectives. The average afghani villager probably won’t consider their current government terrorists, even if a large part of the western world does.
One man’s terrrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
An example of what you're saying is the pkk in Turkey. Turkey calls them terrorists, while a lot of people still view them as a party fighting for freedom. But the pkk and it's armed wing have never committed indiscriminate mass massacres of civilians. The endgoal of the pkk is also not the total destruction of the Turks, but rather the self determination of the Kurds.
Hamas on the other hand has as endgame the total genocide of Jews and has no qualms in indiscriminately massacring civilians.
About Hamas there is no nuance: they are genocidal terrorists.
There is no proof Palestinian fighters ‘beheaded’ babies. The only source is a radical settler.
Please be very careful. We don't really know what the truth is but this story may be a part of disinformation effort used right now to justify military action against civilians.
Ty, I'll edit my comment.
Yes, those freedom fighters bravely raped and murdered a music festival full of people for the glory of Palestinian freedom.
Hamas are Terrorist. They don't fight for freedom they fight for Terror.
Pro-Palestine. One of her posts was ambiguous - "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”
The media propaganda machine was more than happy to pretend that was directed to Hamas, and then went on to fabricate that it was in reference to civilian executions, but it's all 100% bullshit.
If at a time when terrorists of Hamas are releasing a ton videos of their terror attacks, you say "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”, then you are calling those terrorists freedom fighters. And if you call terrorists freedom fighters, then you are tacitly supporting those terrorists and their acts of terror. Especially if you do this right after one of the most brutal attacks against civilians that we have seen in the last few years.
You can assume that's what she meant, but you don't actually know that - you're just putting words into someone's mouth. She even clarified later that's exactly what she DIDN'T mean. This is also a time when Israel is bombing largely defenseless citizens. If you're going to make assumptions about the intent of a statement, it's also valid to assume she's referring to this.
Not every Palestinian is a member or supporter of Hamas, and not every person who fights for the freedom of the Palestinians is a member or supporter of Hamas.
Since she was joking about civilians executions, I think they were pro go fuck yourself mia
Anyone that gets their geopolitical opinions from a pornstar has some serious self reflecting to do. Firing her, or leaving her employeed, will make little difference in the world.
I don't think this was about her opinions as much as it was about here shitty taste of humor.
Except she wasn't. That's the line the media is pushing but, if you actually read what she wrote -
there's no reference, direct or inferred, to Hamas or civilian executions. The propaganda machine is working overtime.
If the 'freedom fighters" aren't hamas, then who was she talking about?
Any of the civilians in the Gaza prison camp that documents the situation could be reasonably called a freedom fighter.
Are they taking vertical video?
Here's an article that slightly better explains the situation.
She wrote...
When referring to execution videos then yes, you're a dick when saying that.
I'll never understand why people like you seem to practically fall over themselves, making things up to justify being upset at situations. You're all bizarre.
Good, fuck Hamas.
Playboy still exists? I used to have a subscription.
I'm surprised too. That said, I wish Christie Hefner's plan for making a separate issue without the girls came to fruition. Playboy has always had excellent interviews and fiction. People like Margaret Atwood and Kurt Vonnegut wrote for Playboy. I have a Playboy anthology of science fiction and it's terrific.
Unfortunately, Playboy is usually just looked at as a lurid skin rag.
She looks like a penguin in that coat xD
Ah yes, more misrepresentation and intentional misinterpretation of commentary in order to support the Zionist agenda. She didn’t praise or even mention Hamas in her comment at all. This article is just another cog in the propaganda machine.
This pro-Israeli propaganda cycle has been the most disgusting I’ve ever seen. People that never have a comment on anything are coming out of the woodwork, frothing at the mouth over anyone speaking out against state-backed ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Playboy is still around? That's more surprising than whoever that slut is..
Some people have zero sense of context, it's laughable lol
Shouting "I support Gaza !!" on every roof RIGHT NOW, has exactly the opposite effect
I too support civilians living their lives peacefully, but we are talking about terrorists here
Israel has been killing civilians for years and have racked up a far higher body count. Are they living their lives peacefully?
I too support civilians living their lives peacefully, but we are talking about terrorists here
Hamas has done awful things, but that doesn't mean Israel is good.
Before this happened, violenc between settlers in the Westbank and native Palestinians had tripled compared to 2022, to 3 per day, while the world news cycles were preoccupied with Ukraine.
Are you talking about settlers that have for decades stolen the Palestinians ancestral homes? Kicked them out of the house they were born in without any compensation. If that happened to me in my home I would too go radical cause at that point diplomacy has failed.
Ironic that you would talk about zero sense of context when siding with the people ignoring crucial context.
Mia Khalifa was NOT talking about terrorists. She was talking about the oppressed people of Palestine who film the atrocities of the Israeli apartheid government. She didn’t mention Hamas and since they're not usually the ones filming THEIR atrocities, it's clear that she wasn't referring to them either. Especially when you add her own clarification to the equation:
It was still a bad post, at least based on how it reads to the average unknowing person.
Yeah, it was worded imprecisely enough to make misinterpretation possible, which is always a bad move when discussing contentious issues no matter your intention.
Definitely wasn't bad enough that she deserved being immediately fired, cancelled and defamed as a terrorism sympathiser, though.
Yeah I'll agree with that. It was exceptionally poor wording and it comes down to the benefit of the doubt if you believe she worded it poorly vs ... yeah. But the deserves the benefit of the doubt.
She could have just started with "My heart goes to Israeli victims" or stuff like that, before tagging "Free Palestine" at the end. That would fly without a hurdle.
So she's not allowed to express solidarity with the Palestinian victims of Israeli oppression without also mentioning the Israeli victims of Hamas terrorism?
Are people not allowed to express solidarity with Israeli victims without also mentioning Palestinian victims either?
Did I ever mentionned "not allowed"? I said mentionning killer's family on a victim's funeral is A LITTLE un-diplomatic sir
Except that's not in any way close to analogous to the situation.
well, that's totally how many people see it. That's a fact.
It might be a fact that many people see it that way, but that would just mean that many people are wrong. Many people believe all sorts of ridiculous lies and distortions of reality.
¯_(ツ)_/¯ You don't provide compelling arguments neither, you just say "You are wrong, I am right"
I only point out that it was pretty bold tweet given the circumstances
I have laid out compelling arguments based on the real world context of what's happening, what her words are most likely to mean given that context, even explained which part was misunderstood and what the most rational explanation for that was.
I've done part or all of that at least a handful of times in replies throughout the comments of this post. I have also conceded that it might have been an ill-advised way of saying things because a public figure being less than 100% clear about a statement regarding anything contentious can and most often WILL open the door to misinterpretations, whether honest or wilfully manipulative.
That's as close to "you are wrong, I am right" as a fiberglass canoe is to a shoddily made origami boat.
Except in this instance the killer's family is tied up in the corner of the funeral home actively being murdered by the victim's uncle
It was a very poor choice of wording to say freedom fighters to refer to civilians. It was just as poor to mention videos without any information whatsoever on the contents of the videos. Perhaps this is one giant misunderstanding.
Either way, a statement referring to a video from freedom fighters in the region right now without any context immediately brings to mind the carnage from the terrorist attack.
Well. She didn't get famous for her huge brains.
HA HA!
Loser bitch.