So you want Russia to become more powerful by conquering Ukraine?
This is a US wet dream, we shut down Putin without a single US causality. Not to mention we get field-testing of weapons that have never been deployed on a battlefield.
This is a win, win, win for the US to keep funding Ukraine even outside the fact that we are helping a country fight-back against a maniac dictator.
All they do is make worthless comments like this about Ukraine. I wouldnt bother trying to reason with them.
They're a troll. The answer to your question is yes.
No US casualties just the poor saps on the front lines of the meat grinder
Shut down....any day now, for going on 3 years.
Ukraine had the lesser army from the start. Only Russian incompetence, and their own good minds, kept them from losing. Investing in the defense of Ukraine is vital for a free Europe. It is a marathon, not a sprint
The world's largest, most well funded military in the world can't take down a military more than half its size? The US goal isn't to win, it's to extend it to make as much money as possible for the MIC
Three days to Kyiv. Book a room!
The military industrial complex does not need a reason to get more money. The politicians could simply say that they want to sell old stuff and get new stuff. The most cost effective is to send all old stuff and replace it
If I wanted to go to an authoritarian country run by Nazis I would go to Tel Aviv
You have three options: China, North Korea, or Russia. I like that you imply that the elected government of Ukraine are nazis, whilst Russia attempts a genocide lmayo
The democratic government of Ukraine that's suspended elections, has outlawed all but the government sanctioned political party, and state run media? Sounds a lot like the US
This is a healthy thing to do when the nation is under a genocidal war. Done to have the government running.
It is also healthy to kick out the literal shills from the invading country from the room of politics.
This sounds like China, North Korea, and Russia to me though.
I don't see how the US has suspended elections or any of the other accusations?
I can imagine back in 1942 you'd been like "Shut down Hitler....any day now, for going on 3 years"
Is that really a 1:1 analogy?
No analogy is 1:1.
Amen to that.
You really don't know how our military industrial complex works, do you?
We are sending very little cash to Ukraine. Most of the money goes to our workers, in our country, to replenish our stockpiles. It would cost magnitudes more to refurbish our own rapidly aging stockpiles, if that can even be done at all. Explosive compounds degrade, and our missiles are even only rated for a certain number of flight hours before they have to be replaced.
Our stockpiles across Europe are a prime example of this. We have warehouses filled with different vehicles that are just sitting around collecting dust. Rubber seals and hoses are degrading and metal is rusting. It needs to get used for what it was built and stored for in the first place: A war with Russia.
Ukraine has a vast supply of resources. Not only do they supply a huge portion of the world with grain, they are sitting on massive natural gas reserves. If you think for a second that we won't benefit from that after this conflict is over, you are very much mistaken. Did you notice how simple instant ramen prices have been increasing lately? That is one tiny window into some of the much more major implications of letting Russia have their way.
Stop screaming that ignorant rhetoric. It's not a good look. It's almost like you were told to parrot that line from a politician or something.
While I am 100% behind US support for Ukraine, I have mixed feelings about Israel. The only thing that country is good for is a strategic position for us in the event of another war in the middle east, which seems to always boil down to oil anyway. I don't want to get into the political bullshit about that conflict, but I am just pointing out it's strategic benefit here.
It would be as easy to support Israel too if they didn't do the indiscriminate bombings and the like
Israel has a number of high-tech products, cyberweapons, some cutting edge stuff such as anti-missile DE (Direct Energy/laser weapons). Cyber security firms, too, some of the best outside of the new axis countries. Those also protect businesses worldwide. They also have nukes, which we (the world) really really don't want hamas or Islamic jihad getting their hands on for obvious reasons.
If you want anti-nuke missile shields, outside of the US, Israel is probably the best candidate. Since their neighbors are always shooting rockets and artillery at their cities, they have a near perfect success rate. Iron Eye is their latest DE project, which was rushed out after hamas attacked. Although I hesitate to call new weapons "good", DE is great because it only uses electricity and doesn't leave unexploded AA/anti-munition warheads lying around if one fails to detonate. It also doesn't mean we are wasting $20k+ per AA missile.
We have DE ship guns in testing, as well as a DE Stryker, but either we are pretty quiet on the details, or we just don't have general missile shield tech yet. Definitely want them as allies as climate change and stupid decisions like the one child policy will further destabilize authoritarian countries. China is below replacement rate for population, severely skewed towards young men with few young women, and anti-immigrant with an aging population. People are going get desperate as droughts make more areas unlivable or not farmable. And as we saw with Russia, war distracts the population when your country is going to shit and the dictator wants to keep power. I hope that people follow logic and prioritize science, but so far, common sense seems scarce.
If our money doesn’t go there now, our troops’ lives will continue the fight in the future.
Not to mention many European countries and countless civilian lives. Russia doesn't give a shit about even the thin veneer of conventions.
Any war with Russia is our war, as they've been actively trying to harm democracy across the world, including buying off our major politicians in this country.
So you fell for the "US saves democracy' bullshit too?
What? No, that's literally the opposite of what I said. Our democracy is fundamentally compromised and Russia has played a major role in that.
Sure, Russia with their 1000 facebook posts killed US democracy. Voters did that by allowing capital to take over government.
I'm less worried about their social media activities and more with their active working with and paying off of Republicans to side with them over the past decade. And their working together to push all of the human rights rollbacks that conservatives have been rolling out on the state level in the past few years.
Don't bother, tankie cretins don't argue in good faith. They're like Republicans.
Translated to 'they dont contribute to our echo chambers'
That means the US could spend less on healthcare, spend significantly more on defense, still have better healthcare than you do now AND save money doing so.
It's a bit like brexit. UK politicians found it useful to blame foreign governments and the EU, as it helped distract from domestic corruption and profiteering.
In fact Boris Johnson promised the UK £350 million a week for the healthcare system in the run-up to the brexit referendum, pushing a similar false dilemna. UK voters were told that they had to choose between EU membership or funding their healthcare system. Of couse, after brexit voters ended up with neither. It was a lie.
Surprisingly common rhetoric device. Eg. quite common when discussing the green transition and the economy/jobs. People are told by fossil fuel interest groups that they have to choose between saving the environment or saving the economy/jobs. In reality, the World Economic Forum suggest that the green transition would create millions of jobs, not cost jobs.
That's literally how Ukraine becomes part of Russia and then Russia decides where to invade next.
But please continue buying our weapons since we are the biggest weapons exporter on the planet.
If this war started under a GOP President, shitlibs would oppose it as much as non shitlibs do
What's your proposition? Let Russia take Ukraine?
They never have any propositions, all they can do is spam "america bad" while masturbating to Stalin or something
I'm still having a laugh about how there still is a republican party after a republican president allowed the worst terrorist attack on American soil.
No, since they don't act as kids as often as republicans.
BlueMAGA is as deranged as MAGA.
Haha wtf is blue maga
Indeed
The tankie shit doesn't accomplish anything and in fact only muddies the leftist waters. Some of us here are trying to have a functioning society, while yall jerk each other off over Stalin and Mao.
Sounds like you're talking about Democrats. Leftists, actual leftists would not be supporting duopoly, trying to justify it by saying functioning society. There is no functioning society if your society is run by capital and their minions
Stop sending our money to other countries' wars.
So you want Russia to become more powerful by conquering Ukraine?
This is a US wet dream, we shut down Putin without a single US causality. Not to mention we get field-testing of weapons that have never been deployed on a battlefield.
This is a win, win, win for the US to keep funding Ukraine even outside the fact that we are helping a country fight-back against a maniac dictator.
All they do is make worthless comments like this about Ukraine. I wouldnt bother trying to reason with them.
They're a troll. The answer to your question is yes.
No US casualties just the poor saps on the front lines of the meat grinder
Shut down....any day now, for going on 3 years.
Ukraine had the lesser army from the start. Only Russian incompetence, and their own good minds, kept them from losing. Investing in the defense of Ukraine is vital for a free Europe. It is a marathon, not a sprint
The world's largest, most well funded military in the world can't take down a military more than half its size? The US goal isn't to win, it's to extend it to make as much money as possible for the MIC
Three days to Kyiv. Book a room!
The military industrial complex does not need a reason to get more money. The politicians could simply say that they want to sell old stuff and get new stuff. The most cost effective is to send all old stuff and replace it
If I wanted to go to an authoritarian country run by Nazis I would go to Tel Aviv
You have three options: China, North Korea, or Russia. I like that you imply that the elected government of Ukraine are nazis, whilst Russia attempts a genocide lmayo
The democratic government of Ukraine that's suspended elections, has outlawed all but the government sanctioned political party, and state run media? Sounds a lot like the US
This is a healthy thing to do when the nation is under a genocidal war. Done to have the government running.
It is also healthy to kick out the literal shills from the invading country from the room of politics.
This sounds like China, North Korea, and Russia to me though.
I don't see how the US has suspended elections or any of the other accusations?
I can imagine back in 1942 you'd been like "Shut down Hitler....any day now, for going on 3 years"
Is that really a 1:1 analogy?
No analogy is 1:1.
Amen to that.
You really don't know how our military industrial complex works, do you?
We are sending very little cash to Ukraine. Most of the money goes to our workers, in our country, to replenish our stockpiles. It would cost magnitudes more to refurbish our own rapidly aging stockpiles, if that can even be done at all. Explosive compounds degrade, and our missiles are even only rated for a certain number of flight hours before they have to be replaced.
Our stockpiles across Europe are a prime example of this. We have warehouses filled with different vehicles that are just sitting around collecting dust. Rubber seals and hoses are degrading and metal is rusting. It needs to get used for what it was built and stored for in the first place: A war with Russia.
Ukraine has a vast supply of resources. Not only do they supply a huge portion of the world with grain, they are sitting on massive natural gas reserves. If you think for a second that we won't benefit from that after this conflict is over, you are very much mistaken. Did you notice how simple instant ramen prices have been increasing lately? That is one tiny window into some of the much more major implications of letting Russia have their way.
Stop screaming that ignorant rhetoric. It's not a good look. It's almost like you were told to parrot that line from a politician or something.
While I am 100% behind US support for Ukraine, I have mixed feelings about Israel. The only thing that country is good for is a strategic position for us in the event of another war in the middle east, which seems to always boil down to oil anyway. I don't want to get into the political bullshit about that conflict, but I am just pointing out it's strategic benefit here.
It would be as easy to support Israel too if they didn't do the indiscriminate bombings and the like
Israel has a number of high-tech products, cyberweapons, some cutting edge stuff such as anti-missile DE (Direct Energy/laser weapons). Cyber security firms, too, some of the best outside of the new axis countries. Those also protect businesses worldwide. They also have nukes, which we (the world) really really don't want hamas or Islamic jihad getting their hands on for obvious reasons.
If you want anti-nuke missile shields, outside of the US, Israel is probably the best candidate. Since their neighbors are always shooting rockets and artillery at their cities, they have a near perfect success rate. Iron Eye is their latest DE project, which was rushed out after hamas attacked. Although I hesitate to call new weapons "good", DE is great because it only uses electricity and doesn't leave unexploded AA/anti-munition warheads lying around if one fails to detonate. It also doesn't mean we are wasting $20k+ per AA missile.
We have DE ship guns in testing, as well as a DE Stryker, but either we are pretty quiet on the details, or we just don't have general missile shield tech yet. Definitely want them as allies as climate change and stupid decisions like the one child policy will further destabilize authoritarian countries. China is below replacement rate for population, severely skewed towards young men with few young women, and anti-immigrant with an aging population. People are going get desperate as droughts make more areas unlivable or not farmable. And as we saw with Russia, war distracts the population when your country is going to shit and the dictator wants to keep power. I hope that people follow logic and prioritize science, but so far, common sense seems scarce.
If our money doesn’t go there now, our troops’ lives will continue the fight in the future.
Not to mention many European countries and countless civilian lives. Russia doesn't give a shit about even the thin veneer of conventions.
Any war with Russia is our war, as they've been actively trying to harm democracy across the world, including buying off our major politicians in this country.
So you fell for the "US saves democracy' bullshit too?
What? No, that's literally the opposite of what I said. Our democracy is fundamentally compromised and Russia has played a major role in that.
Sure, Russia with their 1000 facebook posts killed US democracy. Voters did that by allowing capital to take over government.
I'm less worried about their social media activities and more with their active working with and paying off of Republicans to side with them over the past decade. And their working together to push all of the human rights rollbacks that conservatives have been rolling out on the state level in the past few years.
Don't bother, tankie cretins don't argue in good faith. They're like Republicans.
Translated to 'they dont contribute to our echo chambers'
Our pro-democracy, pro-peace "echo chamber" > Your pro-genocide, pro-war, pro-dictator echo chamber
Democrats are not pro democracy, pro peace, except in the land of doublespeak.
They might not be but our echo chamber is.
Also I don't see you denying being pro-genocide, pro-war, and pro-dictator.
Your echo chamber is nothing but war, poverty, genocide, and authoritarian. But they are waving pride flags so you overlook it
Funny that's exactly how I would describe Russia 🪆
Found Neville Chamberlain's account
Well, it's not going to fucking healthcare
Not questioning your intentions, but that's a false dilemna. Common logical fallacy, often used rhetorical device.
Reality: the US doesn't have to choose between healthcare and military spending. The US spends more on healthcare per capita than any other high income country.
That means the US could spend less on healthcare, spend significantly more on defense, still have better healthcare than you do now AND save money doing so.
It's a bit like brexit. UK politicians found it useful to blame foreign governments and the EU, as it helped distract from domestic corruption and profiteering.
In fact Boris Johnson promised the UK £350 million a week for the healthcare system in the run-up to the brexit referendum, pushing a similar false dilemna. UK voters were told that they had to choose between EU membership or funding their healthcare system. Of couse, after brexit voters ended up with neither. It was a lie.
Surprisingly common rhetoric device. Eg. quite common when discussing the green transition and the economy/jobs. People are told by fossil fuel interest groups that they have to choose between saving the environment or saving the economy/jobs. In reality, the World Economic Forum suggest that the green transition would create millions of jobs, not cost jobs.
I was mocking them but OK
Hey, just thought you should know there's a pic of you and your friends floating around the internet
That's literally how Ukraine becomes part of Russia and then Russia decides where to invade next.
But please continue buying our weapons since we are the biggest weapons exporter on the planet.
If this war started under a GOP President, shitlibs would oppose it as much as non shitlibs do
What's your proposition? Let Russia take Ukraine?
They never have any propositions, all they can do is spam "america bad" while masturbating to Stalin or something
I'm still having a laugh about how there still is a republican party after a republican president allowed the worst terrorist attack on American soil.
No, since they don't act as kids as often as republicans.
BlueMAGA is as deranged as MAGA.
Haha wtf is blue maga
Indeed
The tankie shit doesn't accomplish anything and in fact only muddies the leftist waters. Some of us here are trying to have a functioning society, while yall jerk each other off over Stalin and Mao.
Sounds like you're talking about Democrats. Leftists, actual leftists would not be supporting duopoly, trying to justify it by saying functioning society. There is no functioning society if your society is run by capital and their minions