Remember this one random dude you guys used to talk about like 10 years ago? You should vote for me because I’ll free him!
Sounds as good as any reason.
If Trump actually gave a shit he'd end the war on drugs. Instead he's making the most blatant virtue signal ever by saying he'll free ONE white dude... that he probably won't even free anyway because he's a narcissistic compulsive liar.
No Republican has the balls to end the war on drugs, because they created "tough on crime" retribution. Rehabilitation and second chances are anti-conservative.
Are you a fucking Trump supporter?
Don’t care who you stupid Americans vote for.
Apparently you do
How did you come to that conclusion? The whole post is about Ross. And my comment about that all politicians are liars, including your favorite one. You're not very bright.
Because you're still here, caring so hard.
I care that people are so dishonest that they tell lies about me.
Also about the US election
Well, you made a post about the US election, commented about the US election, and then said you don’t care. Just…doesn’t add up, Watson.
lmao, you are posting obsessively about Trump and Biden. Who are you lying to?
Wow, one two posts that contain trump since I joined lemmy and I obsess about him. You're deranged.
Look, you posted something about Trump that seems to be positive. People didn't like it. They let you know.
Your response was to spam the thread with a meme about how not supporting Biden doesn't mean you are supporting Trump. But here's the thing: The story you posted wasn't about Biden. Nobody brought him up. You (the guy who isn't obsessed) brought up Biden when people were just pissed because they don't want to hear about Trump's campaign promises here.
You could have just said, "Hell no, I just thought it was interesting that Trump wants to free the Silk Road guy right after getting booed by a bunch of people with #FreeRoss signs", and you'd probably have gotten upvotes.
Instead, you spammed meme nonsense like a boomer. Don't tell me you don't have terminal politics-brain.
After 8 yrs of this nonsense, I'm floored anyone still takes what Trump says seriously.
Indeed, Trump, Biden, all politicians are liars. I find it interesting to see what they lie about.
Weird that you can’t see the difference between Trump and Biden.
As someone who lives in Europe and has never experienced Trump you need to check your privilege here.
Pushing political apathy only causes harm for the poorest and most vulnerable Americans.
That's cute, Americans talking about privilege while their military industrial complex wages forever wars and their financial imperialism squeezes the entire world.
Wrong again.
I’m not an American.
This being said I did live there for many years and saw the harm caused by Republicans first hand.
Secondly yah. Russia and America waging aggressive wars is a major problem. Both need to stop. America was wrong in invading Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya. Russia is wrong for invading Ukraine, Georgia, and Chechnya. Imperialism is bad.
But most importantly in the context of you here, you need to brush up leftist intersectional theory. You can’t avoid checking your privilege by trying to say someone else is (wrongly) an American.
What's even more weird is that you think that two liars are exactly the same.
I don’t think they’re the same. That’s the point. They are very different. You are bad at this.
Dude was a criminal, rightfully convicted. So of course Trump would pardon him.
He didn't know who he was 30 hours ago - now it's between Ulbricht and Rittenhouse for VP....
Don't forget the corpse of Noem's dead dog. Trump has seen him in the news a lot too.
Did he do something morally wrong? I'm confused by your statement if you're only referring to creation/management of silk road. Heard some accusations about him being involved in murder-for-hire but I didn't think that was ever substantiated
He kinda tried to have an imaginary person taken out...that's what got him.
He facilitated the sale of many dangerous drugs and weapons. You cant run a website without rules and claim ignorance. In the same vein, I think the Purdue family and executives of that company deserve to be in jail for life as well.
It definitely had rules. Purdue pushed drugs on people while misinforming them and doctors, and did kickbacks and all other sorts of corruption. Weapon sales I'm kinda mixed on, probably not the best idea. But absolutely fuck off with that drug war bullshit. If people want to buy drugs and overdose on them they should be free to do so. Drugs aren't dangerous, lack of information is.
Unenforced rules aren't the same. I know there are libertarians that think his incarceration was unjustified but they ignore all the bad things silk road did. And drugs are definitely dangerous. Back then you could get anything, there were listings for black market weapons. Don't try to gaslight me or the rest of Lemmy by trying to make this man a martyr. There are actually innocent people in jail now that need the attention more.
Drugs are not dangerous. Misusing drugs is dangerous. If you're using clean, tested drugs at a dose that's documented thoroughly to be safe, where exactly is the danger?
Drugs aren't dangerous. My brother died of something other than opiate overdose. Morons everywhere.
Opioids don't just jump into your mouth/nose/lungs/veins. Someone has to put them there. If you do that incorrectly, there is a risk of death. You sound like one of those cops that "overdosed" on fentanyl just by looking at it. Anyways, I checked out the "weapons sales" allegations and couldn't find anything to substantiate that claim. Also, Wikipedia appears to indicate it was explicitly disallowed in the rules you claim did not exist.
"The site's terms of service prohibited the sale of certain items. When the Silk Road marketplace first began, the creator and administrators instituted terms of service that prohibited the sale of anything whose purpose was to "harm or defraud."[) This included [child pornography](
"Child pornography"), stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of any type; other darknet markets such as [Black Market Reloaded] ( "Black Market Reloaded") gained user notoriety because they were not as restrictive on these items as the Silk Road incarnations were."
It's funny they posted those rules yet no one followed them. How do you think the drugs got to their mouths? Silk road facilitated that sale and more and did NOTHING to stop them.
People bought them and ate them I'm guessing, unless.. oh no! Did Ross personally force-feed your brother Percocet??? Now I understand why you feel the way you do. My bad man, very sorry they drugged your brother. In general though I think it's probably more common than not for people to buy and voluntarily consume their drugs.
He sold them illegally so he's in jail. I'm sorry you are having trouble with that concept. Blocked.
Ohhh noes! Not illegally! Whatever will we do???? Fucking conservitards everywhere. I have no problem with that concept, I completely understand it, and with that understanding vehemently disagree.
I would argue that attempting to have someone murdered is morally wrong.
Yeah I'm really just wondering if that actually happened though. I don't see any charges related to that.
Because it never happened. The only charges ever brought on the topic were dismissed with prejudice.
It was just another lie and corrupt thing done like his entire case is littered with.
This doesn't make sense to me. Is someone paying Donald to do this? It's just what he believes libertarians want to hear, he won't do it unless he is being paid for pardons.
There have been multiple articles that you could get a pardon for 2 million USD. That's the previous time he was president.
Yep! That's what I am basing my thoughts on. Donald won't do shit unless there is some sort of short-term profit or ego soothe.
Oh whatever. Fuck Trump but Ross Ulbricht isn't as bad as your glorious leaders would have you think. It's time to end the fucking drug war already jfc.
Are you ignorant of how other countries decriminalize drugs? It's not like it's a free for all. They have services in place to educate people, offer safe and clean environments and give them help when they stop.
You asshole libertarians just want to make it legal. No other thought, no government services or help. The people can handle it but then you get on the road and see how people handle traffic lol. If you haven't been paying attention the drug war is effectively over. Now they need to decriminalize it properly.
Yes yes and alcohol and cigarettes get a pass because reasons.
You'll never convince me that running a marketplace allowing people to sell things to other people is worthy of life imprisonment. You'd even be hard pressed to convince me that people selling things you simply don't like to other people deserve life imprisonment. You can take your high horse right the fuck on out of here.
You'll never convince me that running a marketplace allowing people to sell things to other people is worthy of life imprisonment.
Never? Look, I’m not one to “think of the children” an argument, but you can’t think of a single thing that someone could facilitate the buying and selling of that is worthy of life imprisonment?
Not even CSAM? Not even human trafficking?
Well, "humans" aren't "things" and CSAM while it could be argued is a "thing" necessitates harming an unwilling or unable to consent individual to create.
Also, ykwim goddammit lmao.
So.... What happened to commuting his sentence in the first term? Too much golf, I guess
Seems like you like trump and are here to create division. And it looks like you're not an American by your comment "That's cute, Americans talking about privilege while their military industrial complex wages forever wars and their financial imperialism squeezes the entire world."
So I'm going to tag your username with something terrible I'm not going to quote here and block your posts so I don't have to see your divisive bullshit on here anymore.
Reading through the comments it's clear that you're the one bad at this.
Can't have any of those pesky alternate opinions getting in the way of your ignorance.
Lol, this is only a good defense if the thing you posted was a criticism of Biden, and not support for Trump.
I mean, I don't think posting news counts as supporting Trump, but you literally couldn't have picked a less useful reaction
Also, fuck the Silk Road and its willful enabling of pedophiles. You can sell drugs without that, like God intended, door to door.
Ah yes you two keep fighting. Trumps vision perfected. Keep at it!
“And if you vote for me, on Day One, I will commute the sentence of Ross Ulbricht,” the former president said, generating cheers from the audience, moments after mentioning his plans to pardon supporters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
“It’s one of the things we wanted from his first term,” said Katherine Yeniscavich, a national committee member of the party.
Ulbricht has been imprisoned since 2013, and some libertarians say his case is an example of government overreach and the need for criminal justice reforms. Ulbricht’s case was one of the top issues that libertarians asked Trump to address before the convention — and it won Trump his biggest applause of the night.
In another olive branch to the third-party, Trump said he would put a Libertarian in his cabinet if elected, and would also place Libertarians in “senior posts” in his administration.
But despite those promises, Trump received sustained boos and jeers from the crowd throughout his speech, suggesting the pledge to pardon Ulbricht may not be enough.
As part of his appeal to the party, Trump also committed to putting a Libertarian in his Cabinet if he wins the Oval Office in 2024 — and to commute the sentence of Ross Ulbricht, who is serving life in prison for his role in operating a platform for buying and selling illegal drugs. Chants of “free Ross” had erupted several times throughout the night’s events.
bullshit
Ross Ulbricht the six fold murder for hire client
There are not many things I agree with him about, but freeing Ross and fucking Ivanka are two of them.
risking making him the grandfather of your kid
Not worth it
But Ross would be freed and the alimony would help.
He made the same promise in his first campaign. There’s even less reason to believe it’ll happen after his second election. He won’t need anything from Libertarians after that.
Sounds as good as any reason.
If Trump actually gave a shit he'd end the war on drugs. Instead he's making the most blatant virtue signal ever by saying he'll free ONE white dude... that he probably won't even free anyway because he's a narcissistic compulsive liar.
No Republican has the balls to end the war on drugs, because they created "tough on crime" retribution. Rehabilitation and second chances are anti-conservative.
Are you a fucking Trump supporter?
Don’t care who you stupid Americans vote for.
Apparently you do
How did you come to that conclusion? The whole post is about Ross. And my comment about that all politicians are liars, including your favorite one. You're not very bright.
Because you're still here, caring so hard.
I care that people are so dishonest that they tell lies about me.
Also about the US election
Well, you made a post about the US election, commented about the US election, and then said you don’t care. Just…doesn’t add up, Watson.
lmao, you are posting obsessively about Trump and Biden. Who are you lying to?
Wow, one two posts that contain trump since I joined lemmy and I obsess about him. You're deranged.
Look, you posted something about Trump that seems to be positive. People didn't like it. They let you know.
Your response was to spam the thread with a meme about how not supporting Biden doesn't mean you are supporting Trump. But here's the thing: The story you posted wasn't about Biden. Nobody brought him up. You (the guy who isn't obsessed) brought up Biden when people were just pissed because they don't want to hear about Trump's campaign promises here.
You could have just said, "Hell no, I just thought it was interesting that Trump wants to free the Silk Road guy right after getting booed by a bunch of people with #FreeRoss signs", and you'd probably have gotten upvotes.
Instead, you spammed meme nonsense like a boomer. Don't tell me you don't have terminal politics-brain.
After 8 yrs of this nonsense, I'm floored anyone still takes what Trump says seriously.
Indeed, Trump, Biden, all politicians are liars. I find it interesting to see what they lie about.
Weird that you can’t see the difference between Trump and Biden.
As someone who lives in Europe and has never experienced Trump you need to check your privilege here.
Pushing political apathy only causes harm for the poorest and most vulnerable Americans.
That's cute, Americans talking about privilege while their military industrial complex wages forever wars and their financial imperialism squeezes the entire world.
Wrong again.
I’m not an American.
This being said I did live there for many years and saw the harm caused by Republicans first hand.
Secondly yah. Russia and America waging aggressive wars is a major problem. Both need to stop. America was wrong in invading Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya. Russia is wrong for invading Ukraine, Georgia, and Chechnya. Imperialism is bad.
But most importantly in the context of you here, you need to brush up leftist intersectional theory. You can’t avoid checking your privilege by trying to say someone else is (wrongly) an American.
What's even more weird is that you think that two liars are exactly the same.
I don’t think they’re the same. That’s the point. They are very different. You are bad at this.
Both sides, guys!
As someone who lives in Europe and has never experienced Trump you need to check your privilege here.
Pushing political apathy only causes harm for the poorest and most vulnerable Americans.
His word is demonstrably worthless.
Dude was a criminal, rightfully convicted. So of course Trump would pardon him.
He didn't know who he was 30 hours ago - now it's between Ulbricht and Rittenhouse for VP....
Don't forget the corpse of Noem's dead dog. Trump has seen him in the news a lot too.
Did he do something morally wrong? I'm confused by your statement if you're only referring to creation/management of silk road. Heard some accusations about him being involved in murder-for-hire but I didn't think that was ever substantiated
He kinda tried to have an imaginary person taken out...that's what got him.
He facilitated the sale of many dangerous drugs and weapons. You cant run a website without rules and claim ignorance. In the same vein, I think the Purdue family and executives of that company deserve to be in jail for life as well.
It definitely had rules. Purdue pushed drugs on people while misinforming them and doctors, and did kickbacks and all other sorts of corruption. Weapon sales I'm kinda mixed on, probably not the best idea. But absolutely fuck off with that drug war bullshit. If people want to buy drugs and overdose on them they should be free to do so. Drugs aren't dangerous, lack of information is.
Unenforced rules aren't the same. I know there are libertarians that think his incarceration was unjustified but they ignore all the bad things silk road did. And drugs are definitely dangerous. Back then you could get anything, there were listings for black market weapons. Don't try to gaslight me or the rest of Lemmy by trying to make this man a martyr. There are actually innocent people in jail now that need the attention more.
Drugs are not dangerous. Misusing drugs is dangerous. If you're using clean, tested drugs at a dose that's documented thoroughly to be safe, where exactly is the danger?
Drugs aren't dangerous. My brother died of something other than opiate overdose. Morons everywhere.
Opioids don't just jump into your mouth/nose/lungs/veins. Someone has to put them there. If you do that incorrectly, there is a risk of death. You sound like one of those cops that "overdosed" on fentanyl just by looking at it. Anyways, I checked out the "weapons sales" allegations and couldn't find anything to substantiate that claim. Also, Wikipedia appears to indicate it was explicitly disallowed in the rules you claim did not exist.
"The site's terms of service prohibited the sale of certain items. When the Silk Road marketplace first began, the creator and administrators instituted terms of service that prohibited the sale of anything whose purpose was to "harm or defraud."[) This included [child pornography]( "Child pornography"), stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of any type; other darknet markets such as [Black Market Reloaded] ( "Black Market Reloaded") gained user notoriety because they were not as restrictive on these items as the Silk Road incarnations were."
It's funny they posted those rules yet no one followed them. How do you think the drugs got to their mouths? Silk road facilitated that sale and more and did NOTHING to stop them.
People bought them and ate them I'm guessing, unless.. oh no! Did Ross personally force-feed your brother Percocet??? Now I understand why you feel the way you do. My bad man, very sorry they drugged your brother. In general though I think it's probably more common than not for people to buy and voluntarily consume their drugs.
He sold them illegally so he's in jail. I'm sorry you are having trouble with that concept. Blocked.
Ohhh noes! Not illegally! Whatever will we do???? Fucking conservitards everywhere. I have no problem with that concept, I completely understand it, and with that understanding vehemently disagree.
I would argue that attempting to have someone murdered is morally wrong.
Yeah I'm really just wondering if that actually happened though. I don't see any charges related to that.
Because it never happened. The only charges ever brought on the topic were dismissed with prejudice.
It was just another lie and corrupt thing done like his entire case is littered with.
This doesn't make sense to me. Is someone paying Donald to do this? It's just what he believes libertarians want to hear, he won't do it unless he is being paid for pardons.
There have been multiple articles that you could get a pardon for 2 million USD. That's the previous time he was president.
Yep! That's what I am basing my thoughts on. Donald won't do shit unless there is some sort of short-term profit or ego soothe.
Oh whatever. Fuck Trump but Ross Ulbricht isn't as bad as your glorious leaders would have you think. It's time to end the fucking drug war already jfc.
Are you ignorant of how other countries decriminalize drugs? It's not like it's a free for all. They have services in place to educate people, offer safe and clean environments and give them help when they stop.
You asshole libertarians just want to make it legal. No other thought, no government services or help. The people can handle it but then you get on the road and see how people handle traffic lol. If you haven't been paying attention the drug war is effectively over. Now they need to decriminalize it properly.
Yes yes and alcohol and cigarettes get a pass because reasons.
You'll never convince me that running a marketplace allowing people to sell things to other people is worthy of life imprisonment. You'd even be hard pressed to convince me that people selling things you simply don't like to other people deserve life imprisonment. You can take your high horse right the fuck on out of here.
Never? Look, I’m not one to “think of the children” an argument, but you can’t think of a single thing that someone could facilitate the buying and selling of that is worthy of life imprisonment?
Not even CSAM? Not even human trafficking?
Well, "humans" aren't "things" and CSAM while it could be argued is a "thing" necessitates harming an unwilling or unable to consent individual to create.
Also, ykwim goddammit lmao.
So.... What happened to commuting his sentence in the first term? Too much golf, I guess
Seems like you like trump and are here to create division. And it looks like you're not an American by your comment "That's cute, Americans talking about privilege while their military industrial complex wages forever wars and their financial imperialism squeezes the entire world."
So I'm going to tag your username with something terrible I'm not going to quote here and block your posts so I don't have to see your divisive bullshit on here anymore.
Reading through the comments it's clear that you're the one bad at this.
Can't have any of those pesky alternate opinions getting in the way of your ignorance.
Lol, this is only a good defense if the thing you posted was a criticism of Biden, and not support for Trump.
I mean, I don't think posting news counts as supporting Trump, but you literally couldn't have picked a less useful reaction
Also, fuck the Silk Road and its willful enabling of pedophiles. You can sell drugs without that, like God intended, door to door.
Ah yes you two keep fighting. Trumps vision perfected. Keep at it!
Here is a short politico article:
Trump pledges to commute sentence of Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht if elected [Peder Schaefer | 05/25/2024 | Politico] https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/25/trump-commute-ross-ulbricht-sentence-libertarian-convention-00160025
Edit: added info below
The Hill article, short paragraph on Ross:
Trump draws mixed reactions as he urges Libertarians ‘combine with us’ [Julia Mueller | 05/25/24 | The Hill] https://thehill.com/homenews/4686347-trump-draws-mixed-reactions-as-he-urges-libertarians-combine-with-us/
bullshit
Ross Ulbricht the six fold murder for hire client
There are not many things I agree with him about, but freeing Ross and fucking Ivanka are two of them.
Not worth it
But Ross would be freed and the alimony would help.
You think they would ever pay? Oh how precious.
Nah the baby would be aborted
And probably you as well D:
He made the same promise in his first campaign. There’s even less reason to believe it’ll happen after his second election. He won’t need anything from Libertarians after that.
Are you talking about fucking Ivanka?
Ew.
Video of the relevant part of the speech at https://youtube.com/watch?v=RaiI3-ontAE or https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=RaiI3-ontAE