Despite all of his rhetoric, Mr. Fetterman so far has voted like a reliable Democratic foot soldier.
When everyone left of fascism is in a single party now, there’s bound to be some divisions in people’s actual beliefs within the D party. It’s unsurprising that some Democrats are going to be more moderate in some areas than others, this is what coalition government looks like, and is a healthy part of a working democracy.
It’d be better if we had ranked choice voting nationally, and could allow for smaller parties to win national seats. But short of that future, I don’t mind Fetterman voicing his thoughts and voting party line when it matters.
Dude is from a pretty purple constituency. Why are people surprised that he’s a mix of red and blue stances on things?
He ran as a self proclaimed progressive only to land in the Senate and become a ghoulish genocide defender reminiscent of the ADL.
Not just that: people who campaigned for him were wary of the risk he might turn right once elected. So he went out early to really convince the leftist coalitions backing him he was legit and definitely not going to do exactly what he did.
He was always pro Israel. At no point did he act like he wasn't a Zionist, all his other policies he did claim were progressive
It’s easy to blame the stroke but I don’t know if it’s fair or accurate…
Never trust someone from York County.
He's a silver spoon baby who tricked the working class that he was one of them by wearing Crocs and hoodies. I was calling him out and getting downvoted as a result since he was sworn in.
Sienna is retiring, someone has to be the new "ran as a progressive Democrat, reveal to be a backstabbing moron with no convictions whatsoever" in the senate
Sinema
Can we condense that to "Manchin-ed"?
I dunno Manchin was always pretty upfront a conservative beholden to the coal industry.
The prosperous stick in the mud to lobbyist track.
Progressives should start running as centrists. They'll only have to run against one party instead of two, and centrists have made it clear that they will run as progressives.
Those strokes were unfortunate.
I'm super disappointed in him. Was a big fan of his when I saw him run, and I really liked some of the things I heard about him, like how he got a tattoo marking the date of death for each of 9 people in his city who were murdered while he was mayor. It really made me think that he felt the heavy burden of responsibility and wanted to make the world a better place.
But this... I mean, this ain't it. It does get a little complicated because of his stroke. I don't know how much of the personality he's currently displaying to the world was endemic in him before the stroke. It could be that this has been who he was the entire time, and he just hid it from the world. Either way, though, I think it's clear that he represents a lot of unfulfilled hope. Granted, he's likely still better than Oz, but that's a pretty damned low bar. Fingers crossed he gets beat in the next election by someone who delivers on the hope that Fetterman originally promised.
I would like to primary him. Not because I think I'd win - I definitely wouldn't - but because I want to ask him what the fuck happened to him. Like, dude, you used to be cool.
What do you take issue with? Fetterman is not a good politician.
The only good thing he ever did was beat Oz. That's all he was good for.
So NOW you all dislike Fetterman! Get in line, I was hating on the man long before he was elected because he was a proven bigot.
I need depression to finish the job for once.
Another day, another fascist account to block
Fuck fascists, but there is nothing fascist about this post, champ.
Creating additional division enables fascism, and you defending it muddies the waters
Being critical of our representatives enables fascism? In what fucking world? Look, I'm an asshole when it comes to pointing out Fascists here on lemmy but what in the fuck are you on about? Don't be like the GOP and treat the Dems like they're saints. They have a lot of work to do, but it's also wise to look at their fuck ups and call them out.
There's no need to create division between me and the Democrats. There's already plenty of it. I hate that I have to vote for them but we have a shitty system written by racist slaveholders so here we are.
Oh, so to avoid authoritarianism, we should treat our elected party members as infallible. Excellent logic, no notes.
Ok, I'll bite. What exactly is fascist about this post?
They assume all critiques of the DNC is fascist, Russian, Republican talking points. Instead of holding their party accountable they punch out at everyone trying to do the job they should be doing.
I just posted a link.
I think they were referring to morphballganon
Referring to "the left" could only come from someone right-of-them.
That's not true at all though. Plenty of lefties talk about the left. Like all the time.
Is there a trolling angle I'm missing or something?
Yeah, fascist trolls love to accuse others of being fascists and John Fetterman is a huge supporter of the Zionist regime who similarly resorts to acting like a total asshole, even to his own supposed colleagues. A stroke can change your personality, a check will change your entire political world view.
Hasn't Fetterman been getting tons of criticism for being exactly that, being to the right of most leftists/liberals? Do you think that's overblown and he's still mostly on the side of the left?
I hope you can tell how clueless many of us feel having read your initial comments. You're not doing a great job of communicating what you think and why. Granted, you don't have to, and it's a bit annoying how much patience is required, but if you don't others will likely not care to ask you to explain. Anyway, just a thought as I've been realizing I need to get better at communicating - I'm probably overdoing it now ;)
Yes.
But leftists and liberals are not the same. Liberals are already rightism-apologists (also see: “enlightened centrist”), and Fetterman has proven to be solidly to the right of even your garden variety liberals. Dude is Manchin sans the overt corruption.
You keep using that word… but it’s abundantly clear that you have no idea what it means.
What happened to Fettermen? Was it all a ploy?
Don't worry. He is our Susan Collins.
When everyone left of fascism is in a single party now, there’s bound to be some divisions in people’s actual beliefs within the D party. It’s unsurprising that some Democrats are going to be more moderate in some areas than others, this is what coalition government looks like, and is a healthy part of a working democracy.
It’d be better if we had ranked choice voting nationally, and could allow for smaller parties to win national seats. But short of that future, I don’t mind Fetterman voicing his thoughts and voting party line when it matters.
Dude is from a pretty purple constituency. Why are people surprised that he’s a mix of red and blue stances on things?
He ran as a self proclaimed progressive only to land in the Senate and become a ghoulish genocide defender reminiscent of the ADL.
Not just that: people who campaigned for him were wary of the risk he might turn right once elected. So he went out early to really convince the leftist coalitions backing him he was legit and definitely not going to do exactly what he did.
He was always pro Israel. At no point did he act like he wasn't a Zionist, all his other policies he did claim were progressive
It’s easy to blame the stroke but I don’t know if it’s fair or accurate…
Never trust someone from York County.
He's a silver spoon baby who tricked the working class that he was one of them by wearing Crocs and hoodies. I was calling him out and getting downvoted as a result since he was sworn in.
Sienna is retiring, someone has to be the new "ran as a progressive Democrat, reveal to be a backstabbing moron with no convictions whatsoever" in the senate
Sinema
Can we condense that to "Manchin-ed"?
I dunno Manchin was always pretty upfront a conservative beholden to the coal industry.
The prosperous stick in the mud to lobbyist track.
Progressives should start running as centrists. They'll only have to run against one party instead of two, and centrists have made it clear that they will run as progressives.
Those strokes were unfortunate.
I'm super disappointed in him. Was a big fan of his when I saw him run, and I really liked some of the things I heard about him, like how he got a tattoo marking the date of death for each of 9 people in his city who were murdered while he was mayor. It really made me think that he felt the heavy burden of responsibility and wanted to make the world a better place.
But this... I mean, this ain't it. It does get a little complicated because of his stroke. I don't know how much of the personality he's currently displaying to the world was endemic in him before the stroke. It could be that this has been who he was the entire time, and he just hid it from the world. Either way, though, I think it's clear that he represents a lot of unfulfilled hope. Granted, he's likely still better than Oz, but that's a pretty damned low bar. Fingers crossed he gets beat in the next election by someone who delivers on the hope that Fetterman originally promised.
I would like to primary him. Not because I think I'd win - I definitely wouldn't - but because I want to ask him what the fuck happened to him. Like, dude, you used to be cool.
Bullshit article fuck off.
What do you take issue with? Fetterman is not a good politician.
The only good thing he ever did was beat Oz. That's all he was good for.
So NOW you all dislike Fetterman! Get in line, I was hating on the man long before he was elected because he was a proven bigot.
I need depression to finish the job for once.
Another day, another fascist account to block
Fuck fascists, but there is nothing fascist about this post, champ.
Creating additional division enables fascism, and you defending it muddies the waters
Being critical of our representatives enables fascism? In what fucking world? Look, I'm an asshole when it comes to pointing out Fascists here on lemmy but what in the fuck are you on about? Don't be like the GOP and treat the Dems like they're saints. They have a lot of work to do, but it's also wise to look at their fuck ups and call them out.
There's no need to create division between me and the Democrats. There's already plenty of it. I hate that I have to vote for them but we have a shitty system written by racist slaveholders so here we are.
Oh, so to avoid authoritarianism, we should treat our elected party members as infallible. Excellent logic, no notes.
Ok, I'll bite. What exactly is fascist about this post?
They assume all critiques of the DNC is fascist, Russian, Republican talking points. Instead of holding their party accountable they punch out at everyone trying to do the job they should be doing.
I just posted a link.
I think they were referring to morphballganon
Referring to "the left" could only come from someone right-of-them.
That's not true at all though. Plenty of lefties talk about the left. Like all the time.
Is there a trolling angle I'm missing or something?
Yeah, fascist trolls love to accuse others of being fascists and John Fetterman is a huge supporter of the Zionist regime who similarly resorts to acting like a total asshole, even to his own supposed colleagues. A stroke can change your personality, a check will change your entire political world view.
Hasn't Fetterman been getting tons of criticism for being exactly that, being to the right of most leftists/liberals? Do you think that's overblown and he's still mostly on the side of the left?
I hope you can tell how clueless many of us feel having read your initial comments. You're not doing a great job of communicating what you think and why. Granted, you don't have to, and it's a bit annoying how much patience is required, but if you don't others will likely not care to ask you to explain. Anyway, just a thought as I've been realizing I need to get better at communicating - I'm probably overdoing it now ;)
Yes.
But leftists and liberals are not the same. Liberals are already rightism-apologists (also see: “enlightened centrist”), and Fetterman has proven to be solidly to the right of even your garden variety liberals. Dude is Manchin sans the overt corruption.
You keep using that word… but it’s abundantly clear that you have no idea what it means.
You should probably start here:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism
ok?
Don’t take it personally, haters gonna hate. Keep posting.