Remember folks, Jill Stein is a russian asset and the OP shitposts about her regularly.
and the OP shitposts about her regularly.
The news writes about her regularly. I post articles about lots of third parties. She just getting written about the most. Blame the news, not me. I don't write the news, friend.
I also post articles about libertarians and I post WAY more articles about socialist candidates. How come you didn't mention those?
This account has been active for forty-one days now and had made three thousand and sixty-nine (nice) submissions to Lemmy.
That’s roughly once every nineteen minutes.
Makes you wonder...who is actually behind the keyboard? There's not enough hours in the day for me to even begin to counter this poster as much as it posts. Thanks for keeping it honest, Fart. XD
They tell us, it’s a transracial mormon satanist socialist who is anti-woke.
You know, like a real fucking person.
Looked into it myself and they are the single most obvious paid op i have ever seen in my life
Talk about voting against your own interests. Imagine if all this hype were true and Trump took Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona because of a Stein spoiler effect (or JFK jr or whatever other hypothetical). Can you imagine how dumb you'd feel as one of those voters, as you watched Trump rounding up "immigrants" in February 2025?
They are free to vote for who they wish. Even if you don't like that person. They can make their own decisions about that. As can you. And me.
The problem is that if these people are voting for Jill Stein, then they are not actually voting for who they wish. Jill Stein is not the person who they think she is.
If she were to magically win the election, they'd by-and-large be extraordinarily disappointed in the result.
This is why misinformation and disinformation is so destructive in a democracy. The voters need to be properly informed.
Jill Stein is not the person who they think she is
So are you saying that Muslim-American's aren't smart enough to figure out for themselves who they should vote for and who they believe in?!
If she were to magically win the election, they’d by-and-large be extraordinarily disappointed in the result.
You don't know that. You THINK that, but that's your opinion.
This is why misinformation and disinformation is so destructive in a democracy. The voters need to be properly informed.
They are properly informed, because they have the same access to news that you do. There is nothing that you are doing and/or reading that they can't.
So YOU are smart enough to figure it out, but Muslim American's are not? Is that what you are implying?!
Muslim Americans are idiots. So are Christian Americans, and atheist Americans, and African Americans, and European Americans. Americans are either stupid and delusional, or burnt out and apathetic. Americans who are aware of the world around them and engaged enough to do something about it are incredibly few and far between.
I'd not go this far, but let's be frank. Anyone who votes for Jill Stein is an idiot. For all the reasons you articulated that the OP put words in your mouth for. Stein is a spoiler. Nothing more. And anyone who votes for her or any of the other distractors on the Left is making a bone-headed idiotic move that could see them rounded up by Trump goon squads next year.
Oh i didn't articulate those reasons, that was a different (and probably less cynical) person lol, but yes you are correct.
Not cool, friend. Saying that "Muslim Americans are idiots" is not the way to make your point. Ewww... Reported for civility.
See, mods? This is how this poster views our civility rules. A weapon to shut us down so it can spew its opinions unopposed.
Having rules for this community isn’t about using them as a “weapon to shut us down,” but rather a way to foster genuine discussions, encourage diverse opinions, and prevent personal attacks or name-calling.
Friend, he called Muslim Americans "idiots." That's uncivil and not allowed. And I find it sad that you are defending a comment like that. Even tho you and I have our different opinions, I expected more from you.
So a way to do all the things you aren't doing? If this is a way to parody lib civility nonsense then you are doing a bang up job.
Dude you called Muslim Americans "idiots," is that really the way to make your point? Come on, man...
So a way to do all the things you aren’t doing?
I don't know what you mean.
If this is a way to parody lib civility nonsense then you are doing a bang up job.
I don't know what you mean by this either. Are you saying we shouldn't be civil and that namecalling should be allowed?!
Started posting very recently, only a single point of interaction outside of politics, posts only about a specific type of topic, aggressive but very fake personality, always comments in bad faith, gets even more aggressive when called out in your bullshit, nigh constant engagement.
Who's paying you? Guess that doesn't matter, let you friends know you suck at this job.
They are smart enough, they are actively being misled by Russian interests.
They are properly informed, because they have the same access to news that you do.
I question if these two are the same. For any candidate. I also laugh at any group being called informed, because there definitely is disinformation out there everywhere, more and more.
This has nothing to do with the topic, only an overall observation that no one can claim any group is "properly informed". "Properly" also is a loaded word...I don't think you meant it nefariously, but it could be read that way.
For any candidate. I also laugh at any group being called informed
I can respect that view. Fair points!
They are free to vote for who they wish.
No shit. Thank you Captain Obvious.
Oh good, so you agree! Then no reason to be upset. They are voting for who they want to vote for. As are you. Democracy in action, friend. :)
They're voting for who they want. That doesn't mean that the vote is smart or actually does anything near what they want to achieve. In our current system, it is a stupid vote that helps the person they don't want to win.
Given the context of how current US elections work, they are therefore stupid to vote that way. They have a right to, that doesn't mean it's a smart decision.
And you don't think they are intelligent enough to know all of this. Are you saying that you don't think they are as smart as you when it comes to nuances of elections and voting?
I just wanna clarify, because I'm reading a lot of "Well I'm smart enough to know, but they aren't..." vibes into what you are writing. So I want to clarify.
If more people consistently voted for what they believed in instead of out of fear, the political landscape would begin to shift. Dismissing those votes as useless only perpetuates the problem of limited choice, and change is never achieved by sticking to the status quo.
I think calling someone’s vote “stupid” based on the current system overlooks the obvious fact that our political system itself is messed up.
Voting for a third party isn’t necessarily about immediate victory. It’s about challenging a broken duopoly that constantly limits our options.
If more people consistently voted for what they believed in instead of out of fear, the political landscape would begin to shift. Dismissing those votes as useless only perpetuates the problem of limited choice, and change is never achieved by sticking to the status quo.
Again, we're not friends.
Really? Because you seem so friendly towards me. I would have guessed we were friends.
In our first past the post system, as it stands, that's the same as not voting or just throwing the vote away.
While the intention is there for every vote to count, the sad reality is that a third party vote is useless at best, and helping the person you don't want at worst.
Unless we remove FPTP, two directly opposite parties with little crossover is the inevitable outcome, given enough time.
The truth is that third parties are bad, period, in a FPTP system.
It doesn't matter who the third party is, or what they stand for. Three idiots voting for shiny distraction candidates in a 51/49 vote split from the 51 vote 'coalition' ensure that all 51 voters get whatever the 49 voters picked because 49 is better than 48 plus three third party votes. It's even MORE important when those three votes enable Agolf Twitler to be elected into office and round up all the gays, Muslims, minorities, and whoever else dares step out of line of the new Right-Wing Authoritarian Dictatorship detailed in Project 2025.
I disagree with what you are saying. But hey, you have a right to that opinion. I, and many others, don't share that opinion though.
I'm proudly voting third party. I have the bumper stickers and everything. Let's f'n go!!!
Reality does not care if you agree that it exists.
I like my presidential candidates to have the basic civics knowledge that I learned in elementary school.
I guess that's a tough ask for some...
the sad reality is that a third party vote is useless at best, and helping the person you don’t want at worst.
And will continue to be as long as people refuse to vote third party out of fear.
Unless we remove FPTP
And neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want that to happen. So I'm voting third party. Proudly.
And will continue to be as long as people refuse to vote third party out of fear.
No it will be that way as long as our FPTP system and Electoral College remains as it is. A third party in our election system will be a spoiler candidate. They will always take votes from another more popular candidate, and given enough third party votes will result in the least popular candidate winning.
That is the system we have, like it or not. Sticking your head in the sand and being an idiot about it doesn't help change reality.
We need to implement ranked choice voting and remove the FPTP system to actually start seeing candidates that reflect our beliefs instead of having the same two football teams.
So I'm voting third party. Proudly.
Good for you. Throwing away your vote and actively working against reality isn't the win you seem to think it is. But you're free to be an idiot, this country is built on allowing everyone to be an idiot, and it's exactly what the leaders of both large parties want to have happen. You vote, but your vote means less almost every other vote because of the system it was cast in.
Congratulations for accomplishing nothing, at best. At least you feel superior to others for it.
Good for you.
Thank you! :)
By the way, voting based on principle isn’t “throwing away” a vote in my eyes; it’s exercising the right to stand for policies and candidates that truly reflect personal values.
By dismissing third-party voters as "idiots," you're ignoring the importance of challenging a flawed system that keeps voters stuck in a two-party stranglehold. Real change happens when people refuse to settle for less and push for a political landscape where every vote genuinely matters.
The Green Party isn't doing shit to try to fix the system, and is just as hypocritical as the bigger parties.
It's a throwaway vote whether you want to admit it or not.
It’s a throwaway vote whether you want to admit it or not.
Not to me. I feel that voting based on principle isn’t “throwing away” a vote; it’s exercising the right to stand for policies and candidates that truly reflect my personal values.
I support and respect your right to your opinion. I just don't agree with it.
Jill Stein does not know how many Representatives are in the US House. Care to comment?
Voting for anyone other than Harris harms their own interests.
Given free rein, Trump will revoke their citizenship, detain them in concentration camps, and deport them.
Nobody but Harris can prevent this because nobody other than Harris or Trump can win. You vote Harris or you support the above.
Don't tell other people what our interests are. Many of our are interests are no genocide. For many of us, our interests are getting rid of capitalism that's running our government. For many of us, it's getting rid of organizations like AIPAC that spent $100 million buying loyalty. For many of us, it's getting rid of the fascist police state that our country is headed into. Both red fascist and blue fascists are equally contributing to the demise of what Democrats say they're trying to protect.
To muddle our analysis by insisting that fascism is already here, or that the Democratic party is fascist, or that liberals are fascists or the midwives of fascism, or that Democratic party voters are voting for fascism, is to disarm ourselves against the fascist threat. It is defeatism to shrug our shoulders saying that both parties are fascist, and a disservice to the many antifascist militants in our own country who have been killed, injured, and locked away in prison while struggling against this extremely serious threat. To assume that January 6th was a hyped-up myth, or to belittle its gravity, is a dereliction of our most solemn duty as Communists and workers in the belly of the beast.
But you did post the dumb article. Enjoy the downcotes and a block from me
The only problem with blocking people like this is that they get to say their unmitigated bloviating BS without being countered. I considered blocking all these 'concerned third party voters', but decided against when someone pointed out to me that all that does is let them spew their nonsense unchecked.
Ah, I made the mistake of reporting with an alt what is clearly a deluge of either bad faith bullshit or straight propaganda, and got these posts hidden from me for me. Powers that be seem to want this type of content unchallenged.
So does that mean you think these third party news articles posted to Lemmy are actually swaying Lemmy voters?! Come on, now... lol
Do you honestly think that by people posting a third party article, that lots of Lemmy voters are gonna suddenly drop their Harris support and go pro-third party?!
Is that the big mission you are on? To put a stop to that? Seriously?
So if you DO believe that, then are you saying that people should NOT vote third party news? That people SHOULDN'T have access to other news or other opinions?
So articles that you don't like shouldn't be posted then? Is that what you are saying?
Maybe this community should ONLY have news articles that you personally agree with, right? Like an echo-chamber?
It's not about agreeing or not agreeing with them, it's the fact that it's a misleading fluff piece and you full well know it.
But I didn't write it. And if it's so obvious that it's a "misleading fluff piece" then it wouldn't sway anyone.
And actually since the news org wrote it, are you saying that the news org is writing fluff pieces for a third party? Are you going to contact the reporters and the editorial team to let your thoughts be known?
I just post the news, I don't write it, friend.
Wasn’t really talking to you directly. You just posted it. 🤷♂️
Report and block him people, he's a paid troll. His account history is very obvious.
Blyat!
I don't know what that means.
lol sounds good, Boris.
I don't know who that is or what you mean.
Liberals love their slurs.
You mean like "shitlib"?
I don't try to be covert, and I don't pretend to be everybody's ally. Shitlibs We'll call you friend out of one side of their mouth as long as you agree with them. Otherwise they'll punch you.
Everyone will call you friend as long as you agree with them. And libs punch Nazis. Are you a Nazi?
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Remember folks, Jill Stein is a russian asset and the OP shitposts about her regularly.
The news writes about her regularly. I post articles about lots of third parties. She just getting written about the most. Blame the news, not me. I don't write the news, friend.
I also post articles about libertarians and I post WAY more articles about socialist candidates. How come you didn't mention those?
My post history is public: https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
I'll keep posting! Thanks!
This account has been active for forty-one days now and had made three thousand and sixty-nine (nice) submissions to Lemmy.
That’s roughly once every nineteen minutes.
Makes you wonder...who is actually behind the keyboard? There's not enough hours in the day for me to even begin to counter this poster as much as it posts. Thanks for keeping it honest, Fart. XD
They tell us, it’s a transracial mormon satanist socialist who is anti-woke.
You know, like a real fucking person.
Looked into it myself and they are the single most obvious paid op i have ever seen in my life
Talk about voting against your own interests. Imagine if all this hype were true and Trump took Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona because of a Stein spoiler effect (or JFK jr or whatever other hypothetical). Can you imagine how dumb you'd feel as one of those voters, as you watched Trump rounding up "immigrants" in February 2025?
They are free to vote for who they wish. Even if you don't like that person. They can make their own decisions about that. As can you. And me.
The problem is that if these people are voting for Jill Stein, then they are not actually voting for who they wish. Jill Stein is not the person who they think she is.
If she were to magically win the election, they'd by-and-large be extraordinarily disappointed in the result.
This is why misinformation and disinformation is so destructive in a democracy. The voters need to be properly informed.
So are you saying that Muslim-American's aren't smart enough to figure out for themselves who they should vote for and who they believe in?!
You don't know that. You THINK that, but that's your opinion.
They are properly informed, because they have the same access to news that you do. There is nothing that you are doing and/or reading that they can't.
So YOU are smart enough to figure it out, but Muslim American's are not? Is that what you are implying?!
Muslim Americans are idiots. So are Christian Americans, and atheist Americans, and African Americans, and European Americans. Americans are either stupid and delusional, or burnt out and apathetic. Americans who are aware of the world around them and engaged enough to do something about it are incredibly few and far between.
I'd not go this far, but let's be frank. Anyone who votes for Jill Stein is an idiot. For all the reasons you articulated that the OP put words in your mouth for. Stein is a spoiler. Nothing more. And anyone who votes for her or any of the other distractors on the Left is making a bone-headed idiotic move that could see them rounded up by Trump goon squads next year.
Oh i didn't articulate those reasons, that was a different (and probably less cynical) person lol, but yes you are correct.
Not cool, friend. Saying that "Muslim Americans are idiots" is not the way to make your point. Ewww... Reported for civility.
See, mods? This is how this poster views our civility rules. A weapon to shut us down so it can spew its opinions unopposed.
Having rules for this community isn’t about using them as a “weapon to shut us down,” but rather a way to foster genuine discussions, encourage diverse opinions, and prevent personal attacks or name-calling.
Friend, he called Muslim Americans "idiots." That's uncivil and not allowed. And I find it sad that you are defending a comment like that. Even tho you and I have our different opinions, I expected more from you.
So a way to do all the things you aren't doing? If this is a way to parody lib civility nonsense then you are doing a bang up job.
Dude you called Muslim Americans "idiots," is that really the way to make your point? Come on, man...
I don't know what you mean.
I don't know what you mean by this either. Are you saying we shouldn't be civil and that namecalling should be allowed?!
Started posting very recently, only a single point of interaction outside of politics, posts only about a specific type of topic, aggressive but very fake personality, always comments in bad faith, gets even more aggressive when called out in your bullshit, nigh constant engagement.
Who's paying you? Guess that doesn't matter, let you friends know you suck at this job.
They are smart enough, they are actively being misled by Russian interests.
I question if these two are the same. For any candidate. I also laugh at any group being called informed, because there definitely is disinformation out there everywhere, more and more.
This has nothing to do with the topic, only an overall observation that no one can claim any group is "properly informed". "Properly" also is a loaded word...I don't think you meant it nefariously, but it could be read that way.
I can respect that view. Fair points!
No shit. Thank you Captain Obvious.
Oh good, so you agree! Then no reason to be upset. They are voting for who they want to vote for. As are you. Democracy in action, friend. :)
They're voting for who they want. That doesn't mean that the vote is smart or actually does anything near what they want to achieve. In our current system, it is a stupid vote that helps the person they don't want to win.
Given the context of how current US elections work, they are therefore stupid to vote that way. They have a right to, that doesn't mean it's a smart decision.
And you don't think they are intelligent enough to know all of this. Are you saying that you don't think they are as smart as you when it comes to nuances of elections and voting?
I just wanna clarify, because I'm reading a lot of "Well I'm smart enough to know, but they aren't..." vibes into what you are writing. So I want to clarify.
If more people consistently voted for what they believed in instead of out of fear, the political landscape would begin to shift. Dismissing those votes as useless only perpetuates the problem of limited choice, and change is never achieved by sticking to the status quo.
I think calling someone’s vote “stupid” based on the current system overlooks the obvious fact that our political system itself is messed up.
Voting for a third party isn’t necessarily about immediate victory. It’s about challenging a broken duopoly that constantly limits our options.
If more people consistently voted for what they believed in instead of out of fear, the political landscape would begin to shift. Dismissing those votes as useless only perpetuates the problem of limited choice, and change is never achieved by sticking to the status quo.
Again, we're not friends.
Really? Because you seem so friendly towards me. I would have guessed we were friends.
In our first past the post system, as it stands, that's the same as not voting or just throwing the vote away.
While the intention is there for every vote to count, the sad reality is that a third party vote is useless at best, and helping the person you don't want at worst.
Unless we remove FPTP, two directly opposite parties with little crossover is the inevitable outcome, given enough time.
The truth is that third parties are bad, period, in a FPTP system.
It doesn't matter who the third party is, or what they stand for. Three idiots voting for shiny distraction candidates in a 51/49 vote split from the 51 vote 'coalition' ensure that all 51 voters get whatever the 49 voters picked because 49 is better than 48 plus three third party votes. It's even MORE important when those three votes enable Agolf Twitler to be elected into office and round up all the gays, Muslims, minorities, and whoever else dares step out of line of the new Right-Wing Authoritarian Dictatorship detailed in Project 2025.
I disagree with what you are saying. But hey, you have a right to that opinion. I, and many others, don't share that opinion though.
I'm proudly voting third party. I have the bumper stickers and everything. Let's f'n go!!!
Reality does not care if you agree that it exists.
I like my presidential candidates to have the basic civics knowledge that I learned in elementary school.
I guess that's a tough ask for some...
And will continue to be as long as people refuse to vote third party out of fear.
And neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want that to happen. So I'm voting third party. Proudly.
No it will be that way as long as our FPTP system and Electoral College remains as it is. A third party in our election system will be a spoiler candidate. They will always take votes from another more popular candidate, and given enough third party votes will result in the least popular candidate winning.
That is the system we have, like it or not. Sticking your head in the sand and being an idiot about it doesn't help change reality.
We need to implement ranked choice voting and remove the FPTP system to actually start seeing candidates that reflect our beliefs instead of having the same two football teams.
Good for you. Throwing away your vote and actively working against reality isn't the win you seem to think it is. But you're free to be an idiot, this country is built on allowing everyone to be an idiot, and it's exactly what the leaders of both large parties want to have happen. You vote, but your vote means less almost every other vote because of the system it was cast in.
Congratulations for accomplishing nothing, at best. At least you feel superior to others for it.
Thank you! :)
By the way, voting based on principle isn’t “throwing away” a vote in my eyes; it’s exercising the right to stand for policies and candidates that truly reflect personal values.
By dismissing third-party voters as "idiots," you're ignoring the importance of challenging a flawed system that keeps voters stuck in a two-party stranglehold. Real change happens when people refuse to settle for less and push for a political landscape where every vote genuinely matters.
The Green Party isn't doing shit to try to fix the system, and is just as hypocritical as the bigger parties.
It's a throwaway vote whether you want to admit it or not.
Not to me. I feel that voting based on principle isn’t “throwing away” a vote; it’s exercising the right to stand for policies and candidates that truly reflect my personal values.
I support and respect your right to your opinion. I just don't agree with it.
Jill Stein does not know how many Representatives are in the US House. Care to comment?
Voting for anyone other than Harris harms their own interests.
Given free rein, Trump will revoke their citizenship, detain them in concentration camps, and deport them.
https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/trump-administration-seeks-to-strip-more-people-of-citizenship/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-does-not-rule-out-building-detention-camps-mass-deportations-2024-04-30/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9z0lm48ngo
Nobody but Harris can prevent this because nobody other than Harris or Trump can win. You vote Harris or you support the above.
Don't tell other people what our interests are. Many of our are interests are no genocide. For many of us, our interests are getting rid of capitalism that's running our government. For many of us, it's getting rid of organizations like AIPAC that spent $100 million buying loyalty. For many of us, it's getting rid of the fascist police state that our country is headed into. Both red fascist and blue fascists are equally contributing to the demise of what Democrats say they're trying to protect.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/the-united-states-is-not-a-fascist-country/
Among some.
Harris leads among some.
Trump leads among some.
I lead among some.
Your momma leads among some.
Agreed. But I didn't write the headline, nor did I write the article.
For someone who “isn’t voting for Jill Stein” you certainly post a lot of articles about her.
I don't have to explain anything to you.
I didn’t ask you to.
Good. Because I don't have to.
Glad that you’re finally learning.
Thanks. And thank you for learning that I am under no obligation to explain anything to you. So we're friends now!
Apology accepted. But we’re not friends.
You misunderstood somehow. I didn't apologize, as I have nothing to apologize for.
Can we be friends now?
You’re forgiven.
Good, since I didn't do anything wrong in the first place. :)
But you did post the dumb article. Enjoy the downcotes and a block from me
The only problem with blocking people like this is that they get to say their unmitigated bloviating BS without being countered. I considered blocking all these 'concerned third party voters', but decided against when someone pointed out to me that all that does is let them spew their nonsense unchecked.
Ah, I made the mistake of reporting with an alt what is clearly a deluge of either bad faith bullshit or straight propaganda, and got these posts hidden from me for me. Powers that be seem to want this type of content unchallenged.
So does that mean you think these third party news articles posted to Lemmy are actually swaying Lemmy voters?! Come on, now... lol
Do you honestly think that by people posting a third party article, that lots of Lemmy voters are gonna suddenly drop their Harris support and go pro-third party?!
Is that the big mission you are on? To put a stop to that? Seriously?
So if you DO believe that, then are you saying that people should NOT vote third party news? That people SHOULDN'T have access to other news or other opinions?
So articles that you don't like shouldn't be posted then? Is that what you are saying?
Maybe this community should ONLY have news articles that you personally agree with, right? Like an echo-chamber?
It's not about agreeing or not agreeing with them, it's the fact that it's a misleading fluff piece and you full well know it.
But I didn't write it. And if it's so obvious that it's a "misleading fluff piece" then it wouldn't sway anyone.
And actually since the news org wrote it, are you saying that the news org is writing fluff pieces for a third party? Are you going to contact the reporters and the editorial team to let your thoughts be known?
I just post the news, I don't write it, friend.
Wasn’t really talking to you directly. You just posted it. 🤷♂️
Fair point!
Report and block him people, he's a paid troll. His account history is very obvious.
Blyat!
I don't know what that means.
lol sounds good, Boris.
I don't know who that is or what you mean.
Liberals love their slurs.
You mean like "shitlib"?
I don't try to be covert, and I don't pretend to be everybody's ally. Shitlibs We'll call you friend out of one side of their mouth as long as you agree with them. Otherwise they'll punch you.
Everyone will call you friend as long as you agree with them. And libs punch Nazis. Are you a Nazi?
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