At least, not in her opinion. Or at least not the ones she plans to appoint to her own cabinet.
We were talking about fascist dictators here, but i can see why you'd confuse that with Republicans in general.
Trump is a fascist and wants to be a dictator, that's true. Fascism is also not exclusive to Trump in the Republican Party. The Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 are core to the GOP, not just Trump.
Criticizing Biden/Harris for conceding to right-wing lies like on immigration or for wanting to integrate Republicans into her Cabinet are completely valid criticisms. She should be attacking them on every fascist policy they advocate for and countering them with progressive policies that are popular
Never said it was exclusive to Trump. It's kind of hard for me to believe you actually think I was implying that and aren't just trying to ignore the point I was making about false equivalency.
No, not you based on your comment. I think we're in agreement. It seemed like the people downvoting treefrog did when they were simply criticizing Harris' idea of appointing a republican cabinet member.
Trump is fascist for a lot more than just aiming to become a 'day one' dictator, and most of that is congruent with the GOP as a whole. If Harris recognizes what makes Trump a fascist, which she does, I would think she would also recognize the issue with bringing a Republican to her cabinet.
Yeah. I want more Khans. I do not want more Garlands.
Has she said who she would appoint? The only time I ever saw anything about this she was asked "would you consider putting Republicans in your cabinet?" And she said she would. Will she, possibly/probably. That said it is a twist of her words to say that she will.
Me saying "I would" consider a date with Carrie Underwood, doesn't mean I will go on one.
Quite a bit further than "I would consider it", and that's not the only time she's said it
Pot meet kettle.
What about Harris — specifically — do you perceive to be fascist?
When she is willingly taking money from fascist governments and boasting that she is receiving endorsements from war criminals and people that Democrats themselves labeled as fascist, they are fascist.
So by that criteria, which American presidents haven't been fascist?
None of them
Then I must conclude you're not using a reasonable definition of fascism.
Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy and forcible suppression of opposition, all things which Trump has very explicitly stood for. He's basically said he's gonna kill off his political opponents, and that it's gonna be legal and there's not gonna be any repercussions for him.
I'd like for you to make a case like that against literally each and every single president of the US. You genuinely believe Jimmy Carter was striving to be a dictator?
Much of the conflict within the Middle East was started by Jimmy Carter.
And DOD directive 5240.01 updated Sept 27, 2024 is already laying the groundwork, under Biden, to allow US military to assist in addressing descent in the US up to and including harm or death. The things that liberals say are going to happen under Trump are already laying the foundation to have it happen under Biden.
So your criteria for someone not being a fascist is not being involved in any military conflicts, at all?
Okay, so guess that means that pretty much all world leaders are fascists.
See what I meant with "not a reasonable definition of fascism"? The definition of any ideology might be a little fuzzy, but you're definitely colouring over the lines.
The things that liberals say are going to happen under Trump are already laying the foundation to have it happen under Biden.
Such as having a dictator who can freely do whatever they want without consequences, while exploiting the country and it's people and resources as much as they can (while actually being Putin's bitch)?
It's Biden's team laying the groundwork for Trump to fulfill what he says he wants. But liberals will ignore that if it happens. Like they did when Trump was locking up kids while ignoring who built those cages for kids
You never worked with a reasonable definition of fascism, which I think I've successfully demonstrated to everyone. Now you're writing complete gibberish.
My job here is done.
You demonstrated nothing other than capping for fascists
Well, let's leave that up to the readers to decide, who are already agreeing with me, as indicated by the votes.
I understand you have a feeling of wanting to be virtuous and showing off that sense of morality. However, fascism has an actual definition, which isn't congruous with the one you are using.
Perhaps you can see what you're doing if I put it in an example that's in a slightly different context: You calling Jimmy Carter a fascist is like vegans calling everyone who isn't also a vegan "murderer". Murder has a rather rigid definition; intentionally and directly ending the life of another human being. Eating a burger doesn't get covered by that definition, no matter how much you stretch it's limits. It might be immoral to eat meat and indirectly participate in the meat industry, but it is not murder, and Jimmy Carter was — by no reasonable definition — fascist.
Vegans calling everyone who eats meat a murderer means they'd have no way of differentiating between people who intentionally kill other people, and people who... eat burgers. Can you foresee any problems if one actually lost the ability to differentiate between those things?
Fucking Christ finally!
They call democrats every name under the sun whether it applies or not. About time they call a fascist a fascist...
I've called him a lot of names. This is just one.
So has she. This is just in public.
She almost called him something else in the debate.
"Listen here you mother-fascist"
calling him a name? it's stating a fact
I have invent new insults every few days because the old ones get used up too quickly
Not just can, should.
the party of "he tells it like it is!!" has to scramble and do damage control in a panic every time trump opens his stupid face anus
Maybe they used to. They don't bother anymore.
If it walks like a duck...
Check it's diapers.
And steps like a goose...
I'm actually very surprised that she said that. Was this Harris stumbling off script, or will she continue saying it?
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But not the whole GOP.
At least, not in her opinion. Or at least not the ones she plans to appoint to her own cabinet.
We were talking about fascist dictators here, but i can see why you'd confuse that with Republicans in general.
Trump is a fascist and wants to be a dictator, that's true. Fascism is also not exclusive to Trump in the Republican Party. The Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 are core to the GOP, not just Trump.
Criticizing Biden/Harris for conceding to right-wing lies like on immigration or for wanting to integrate Republicans into her Cabinet are completely valid criticisms. She should be attacking them on every fascist policy they advocate for and countering them with progressive policies that are popular
Never said it was exclusive to Trump. It's kind of hard for me to believe you actually think I was implying that and aren't just trying to ignore the point I was making about false equivalency.
No, not you based on your comment. I think we're in agreement. It seemed like the people downvoting treefrog did when they were simply criticizing Harris' idea of appointing a republican cabinet member.
Trump is fascist for a lot more than just aiming to become a 'day one' dictator, and most of that is congruent with the GOP as a whole. If Harris recognizes what makes Trump a fascist, which she does, I would think she would also recognize the issue with bringing a Republican to her cabinet.
Yeah. I want more Khans. I do not want more Garlands.
Has she said who she would appoint? The only time I ever saw anything about this she was asked "would you consider putting Republicans in your cabinet?" And she said she would. Will she, possibly/probably. That said it is a twist of her words to say that she will.
Me saying "I would" consider a date with Carrie Underwood, doesn't mean I will go on one.
That is why I pledged to appoint a Republican to my cabinet
Quite a bit further than "I would consider it", and that's not the only time she's said it
Pot meet kettle.
What about Harris — specifically — do you perceive to be fascist?
When she is willingly taking money from fascist governments and boasting that she is receiving endorsements from war criminals and people that Democrats themselves labeled as fascist, they are fascist.
So by that criteria, which American presidents haven't been fascist?
None of them
Then I must conclude you're not using a reasonable definition of fascism.
Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy and forcible suppression of opposition, all things which Trump has very explicitly stood for. He's basically said he's gonna kill off his political opponents, and that it's gonna be legal and there's not gonna be any repercussions for him.
I'd like for you to make a case like that against literally each and every single president of the US. You genuinely believe Jimmy Carter was striving to be a dictator?
Much of the conflict within the Middle East was started by Jimmy Carter.
And DOD directive 5240.01 updated Sept 27, 2024 is already laying the groundwork, under Biden, to allow US military to assist in addressing descent in the US up to and including harm or death. The things that liberals say are going to happen under Trump are already laying the foundation to have it happen under Biden.
So your criteria for someone not being a fascist is not being involved in any military conflicts, at all?
Okay, so guess that means that pretty much all world leaders are fascists.
See what I meant with "not a reasonable definition of fascism"? The definition of any ideology might be a little fuzzy, but you're definitely colouring over the lines.
Such as having a dictator who can freely do whatever they want without consequences, while exploiting the country and it's people and resources as much as they can (while actually being Putin's bitch)?
It's Biden's team laying the groundwork for Trump to fulfill what he says he wants. But liberals will ignore that if it happens. Like they did when Trump was locking up kids while ignoring who built those cages for kids
You never worked with a reasonable definition of fascism, which I think I've successfully demonstrated to everyone. Now you're writing complete gibberish.
My job here is done.
You demonstrated nothing other than capping for fascists
Well, let's leave that up to the readers to decide, who are already agreeing with me, as indicated by the votes.
I understand you have a feeling of wanting to be virtuous and showing off that sense of morality. However, fascism has an actual definition, which isn't congruous with the one you are using.
Perhaps you can see what you're doing if I put it in an example that's in a slightly different context: You calling Jimmy Carter a fascist is like vegans calling everyone who isn't also a vegan "murderer". Murder has a rather rigid definition; intentionally and directly ending the life of another human being. Eating a burger doesn't get covered by that definition, no matter how much you stretch it's limits. It might be immoral to eat meat and indirectly participate in the meat industry, but it is not murder, and Jimmy Carter was — by no reasonable definition — fascist.
Vegans calling everyone who eats meat a murderer means they'd have no way of differentiating between people who intentionally kill other people, and people who... eat burgers. Can you foresee any problems if one actually lost the ability to differentiate between those things?
So a useless definition then... Got it...
Does the idea that your party openly welcomes war criminal fascists into the fold make you feel warm and fuzzy?
Yes, yes, you've already made clear you're an anarchist and no government will ever be acceptable to you.
This government and any dictatorship of capital would never be acceptable. Apparently I wasn't very clear, I'm a communist