A MAGA gunman in New Mexico and ‘the end of politics’ in America

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A MAGA gunman in New Mexico and ‘the end of politics’ in America
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Donald Trump's increasingly violent vision is coming through loud and clear to supporters like the MAGA gunman in New Mexico.

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Republicans don't want freedom or justice or anything that they claim to be for. They only want unrelenting flames of vengeance on everything that they hate: which is basically everything that exists. They literally are a lake of fire.

When my friend became a Republican after a being a lifelong Democrat, one of the first things he started to say was, "never let the opposition control the language."

The right defines those words, freedom, justice, with what their empty ideology represent; not their actual meanings.

The right has zero credibility on freedom or justice.

I don’t even understand how someone can understand what “right wing” means while also claiming it to equal freedom.

They are literally on the “authority” side!

There was a great piece on the notion of Southern liberty (the way the right defines it) vs. the way virtually everyone else defines it. The right's idea of "liberty" is being able to rule over others.

When Bush was elected, his main concern was revenge on Saddam. When Trump was elected, his main objective was to show what he would have done during the 08 financial crisis instead of what Obama had done.

The next republican president will probably be obsessed with getting revenge for the pandemic. It's what they do and why they can't govern.

Cruelty is the point. That's all that guides the right. The base, anyway. The elite just want corporate rule and tax cuts for themselves.

When Trump was elected, his main objective was to show what he would have done during the 08 financial crisis instead of what Obama had done

No it wasn't. It was to destabilize the country at the behest of Vladimir Putin.

Ryan Martinez, of East Mountains, pulls a gun during a rally outside the Rio Arriba County building in Española, N.M., Thursday, Sept. 28, 2023.

Wow didn't even hear about this one.

There's a bunch of different notions about "the end of politics," but mostly I've seen it refer to the fact that the economic system in the US is basically not up for debate at this point. The issues that are up for debate now do not threaten the basic structure of the political economy, or the economic arrangements of people in this system.

I disagree somewhat about the "both sides" criticism of the media here. This "both sides" approach isn't because the media "hasn't figured out" how to move beyond conventional 90s politics, it's because the media subsists on it's ability to exploit the viewer's attention and emotions. There's plenty of writing and analysis of "real" politics, but the biggest news networks aren't running that as top stories because it doesn't offer the engagement of partisan culture war debates.

As a non USAmerican, this seems only partly true. The media does indeed benefit from the partisanship hype, but it is also (often) accurately reporting politicking made to exploit the same emotional response.

For example, there is little good statesmanship in the North Carolina Republicans founding their own extrajudicial secret police, but it triggers a lot of emotional response even before them actually using it as a fascist tool.

This isn't blown out of proportion by the media, it is an actual thing that the party officially proposed, and it is outright disregarding both rule of law and democratic principles. Even if they have no hope of enacting it, the proposal is made to evoke emotions and sow chaos.

The French would have striked until these people resigned.

The French would have striked until these people resigned.

Because the French have social services and resources that allow them to do this without facing bankruptcy, homelessness and starvation.

True, but how did they get those?

By collective action.

(and a lot of blood)

One wonders if we are going to keep working through bankruptcy, homelessness, and starvation.

Because the question is going to come up.

Let's go back even farther in French history and ask how they would handle this!

To be fair, the USAmericans also have a few notable occasions of standing up against oppressive rulers.

So did you only read the opening paragraph of the French Revolution, or are you super cool with thousands of innocent people dying for no reason?

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They don't see it that way. It's like how the Confederates broke away after Lincoln's election even though Lincoln promised he wasn't going to abolish slavery. It doesn't matter that we aren't going to change the economic system, the fact that they know we don't fully support it is the same as trying to replace it.

I’ve seen it refer to the fact that the economic system in the US is basically not up for debate at this point

Well yeah, because we have the best one in human history.

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This is one of the reasons I got a concealed carry permit. These mfers are nuts and won't respond to kindness. We're lost as a country. Just a matter of time before it shows.

We definitely need more guns. You know, to shoot the things and combat the guns and destroy stuff.

You should always have your gun on you and loaded, so it can be your first reaction whenever you’re scared

For all of the talk of "a good guy with a gun", it's happened like....twice?

death of the local newspaper was bad for politics too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McClatchy

local news papers are owned by a big national mega news corp stifling real news

no local city council meeting news or any county council meeting news or anything other than propaganda about how well things are just look at this new restaurant that is opening up

hard to do grass roots and all that and have discussions when everyone is in the dark even about local happenings

both parties do what this article accuses

Biden and Obama had someone chained to a chair for wanting to do a debate like the demopublicans are allowed to do

https://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/17/green_partys_jill_stein_cheri_honkala

football or pakled like politics the other side with the other colored shirt and different letter are the problem and my helmet is not big enough never about anything substantial

Of course the president can not wave a magic wand but they still have the media could be saying things everyday that could help sway opinion such as abortion rights or anything

Catholic Biden definitely could have been bitching way more openly about this and other things he ran on

both sides doing the same thing but claiming their different excuses and makeup are better

end of politics in america was in part when the local papers got bought up which was pre2010

sorry for the unrelated post, but what community should this go in?

there’s a lot going on here that needs appreciating

Political memes. Maybe.

Thank you for the suggestion. I was wondering about that one, but wasn’t sure if this counts as a meme or is meme-y enough… between communities that are only memes and communities that only allow articles, not sure where this is supposed to fall.