All of Trump's children seem to have issues recalling details of their key roles in the family business.
Maybe they shouldn't be running such a big, important business with their memory problems.
As someone with long covid memory issues who hopes to do things with their life (but not exploitative things like the Trump family), this comment hurt a little. I know it's not targeted at me but life already feels much harder without the reminder that I'm perceived as less capable.
That's probably also my long covid low serotonin though.
Have you tried 5-HTP? 5-HTP is an amino acid that your body produces from tryptophan and is the immediate precursor for serotonin. It's a dietary supplement rather than a prescription drug so if you try it look for a good brand that has 3rd party testing, especially with this one because it has a higher risk of contamination due to the process used to synthesis it producing toxic contaminates. Also ask your doctor before trying it because there are some potentially dangerous interactions with drugs that affect serotonin levels. There is some, but not enough, legitimate research on 5-HTP and for some depression patients, including me, it's more effective than SSRIs because it increases your body's production of serotonin rather than retaining serotonin longer.
Trying it as soon as I can make myself order some that doesn't look suspicious as fuck and isn't an overpriced predatory health grift / scam.
I do also unfortunately use a couple of the drugs which risk seratonin syndrome already, so I will be going as slow and steady on dosage as physically possible.
Health tinkering fucking sucks and I hate that this is where my life is at. Dr House is a fairytale made up to convince the masses that someone qualified will care when you have complex health conditions.
As someone who had a rheumatologist tell me the grinding sound my neck made was "everything getting better" when really my neck and spine were fusing (my neck is mostly immobile except the very top) I tend to agree.
Best part, my last appointment with her (years ago) was her telling me she was very excited to be closing her practice because she got a job instructing new doctors at a teaching hospital.
Sigh.
Lol, I'm sorry your healthcare providers have also been useless. Especially a rheum... Jesus wept. They're supposed to be better at the complex stuff.
A relative of mine was once told his pilonidal cyst was his spinal fluid leaking. Another person I know had a skin symptom dismissed as "women tend to be more sensitive (as in aesthetic awareness) to these things".
I've been misdiagnosed a few times too, thankfully with only limited (maybe, who really knows) damage done as a result.
Glad you're ok. My family doctor was like Gandalf so made up for it. :)
I find it hilarious his children are still pretending like his will won't read like a happy meal receipt from McDonald's.
I think I believe them about this. All of them have been wildly wealthy their entire life. Super duper wealthy and cavalier about how they experiment with spending it (what more careful people might call “business ventures”). I figure their father leads by example.
I think they really might spend their time do stupid shit, signing papers people that hang around them give them to sign, look for media opportunities and basically ENJOY being fucking stupid wealthy. It’s possible they’ve been cosplaying at being successful business people.
If thats the case then why would they remember how things went down? How big a penthouse is? Or anything. I think they’re fucked because Trump cares about his actual wealth and has probably seen it go down over his lifetime way more than he wants. That core fear is might be why all the bluster and cons and fraud?
I'm not surprised this was her strategy. Seems likw the easiest way to avoid perjury.
It was either that or the fifth and because it's a civil trial taking the fifth can absolutely be used against you unlike a criminal trial so thats probably why she went with the "I dunno" defense
"i can't recall" allows inferences too. Remember, it's a civil trial so the bar is "a preponderance of the evidence"- which, as a standard, is that a claim is 'more likely true than not true';
the "i can't recall" and the "i plead the fifth" are both a refusal to provide evidence, and that refusal allows the judge to make inferences about what you're not providing evidence. That said, they've already lost the trial, and they're probably going to get fucked even if she had perfect clarity... so the civil trial is more or less a lost cause (and a poltiical campaign point for Trump.). providing testimony might mitigate some of the fines... but probably would expose them to further criminal charges.
But why is her neck so long?
She doesn't recall
Fantastic game. Little nightmares.
They must have had to pull her sternum up to give her a chin. She looked like a beardless version of her brothers before the surgery
Guess she found a babysitter….
So, assuming the ability to recall emails that contain evidence of an intent to defraud or a crime does not exonerate people (eg, saying you don’t remember robbing the bank isn’t going to get you out of the video evidence of you doing so), what’s the procedure here?
Since this is a civil trial, can the court infer the intent to deceive based on the evidence presented? I know that taking the 5th in civil trials can be inferred as evasive and negative in some states for civil but not criminal trials, but I don’t know how that applies here.
Judge has already ruled that fraud was done. This part of the trial is just to figure out the penalties. The more they can muddy waters as to who, exactly did the fraud, the more they can hope the judge treats them like absurdly negligent morons rather than criminal masterminds.
It's like there's this committee of Trumps, and they're going one by one, asking "who shat in the punchbowl?" None of the kids can remember doing it, and their daddy just thinks it's a travesty that we're even talking about the steaming load. The evidence is all there, everyone knows what happened, but it's hard to know how much of a team effort it was and whom to punish.
As far as I know, the judge can directly compare the evidence to testimony and use it as part of the ruling.
So since she isn't providing anything to refute the evidence, the evidence is accepted as is?
Well, testimony can give context to evidence. The judge can infer a lot from what they won’t say.
These people aren’t secretaries or interns. They are top executives and they can’t seem to recall any of their duties that went into these evaluations. The judge is at least able to glean that they are incompetent and fraudulent when deciding damages.
Since this is a civil trial, can the court infer the intent to deceive based on the evidence presented?
yes.
"I don't recall"
aka
"I definitely recall but this canned phrase is basically a get out of jail free card in America"
In civil trials out didn't work like that. If they can at all prove you knew or should have known the answer you can catch contempt.
In criminal cases, the charges must be proven true beyond any reasonable doubt; probably == innocent. In civil cases, the bar is only more likely than not; probably == guilty.
Yes, that doesn't at all change what I've said.
In civil cases, “the Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them.” (Baxter v. Palmigiano (1976) 425 U.S. 308, 318.)
In one exchange Ivanka Trump was shown a series of emails and other documents relating to a loan from Deutsche Bank’s private wealth management division.
“I don’t recall,” she said, when asked about multiple documents and emails that showed she played a key role in deals to obtain financing for the Trump Organization.
Trump’s lawyers made the case that Deutsche Bank was delighted to do business with the family and favorable loans were part of their attempts to woo them.
The attorney general’s office had wanted Trump’s eldest daughter to testify in court before the former president himself took the stand, but ultimately rescheduled her appearance because of her appeal.
Before the trial started, Judge Arthur Engoron found Trump guilty of inflating the value of his assets on state financial statements that were used to broker deals and obtain loans.
Though Trump’s team is appealing the decision, he stands to lose his state business licenses if the appellate court sides with Engoron.
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All of Trump's children seem to have issues recalling details of their key roles in the family business.
Maybe they shouldn't be running such a big, important business with their memory problems.
As someone with long covid memory issues who hopes to do things with their life (but not exploitative things like the Trump family), this comment hurt a little. I know it's not targeted at me but life already feels much harder without the reminder that I'm perceived as less capable.
That's probably also my long covid low serotonin though.
Have you tried 5-HTP? 5-HTP is an amino acid that your body produces from tryptophan and is the immediate precursor for serotonin. It's a dietary supplement rather than a prescription drug so if you try it look for a good brand that has 3rd party testing, especially with this one because it has a higher risk of contamination due to the process used to synthesis it producing toxic contaminates. Also ask your doctor before trying it because there are some potentially dangerous interactions with drugs that affect serotonin levels. There is some, but not enough, legitimate research on 5-HTP and for some depression patients, including me, it's more effective than SSRIs because it increases your body's production of serotonin rather than retaining serotonin longer.
Trying it as soon as I can make myself order some that doesn't look suspicious as fuck and isn't an overpriced predatory health grift / scam.
I do also unfortunately use a couple of the drugs which risk seratonin syndrome already, so I will be going as slow and steady on dosage as physically possible.
Health tinkering fucking sucks and I hate that this is where my life is at. Dr House is a fairytale made up to convince the masses that someone qualified will care when you have complex health conditions.
As someone who had a rheumatologist tell me the grinding sound my neck made was "everything getting better" when really my neck and spine were fusing (my neck is mostly immobile except the very top) I tend to agree.
Best part, my last appointment with her (years ago) was her telling me she was very excited to be closing her practice because she got a job instructing new doctors at a teaching hospital.
Sigh.
Lol, I'm sorry your healthcare providers have also been useless. Especially a rheum... Jesus wept. They're supposed to be better at the complex stuff.
A relative of mine was once told his pilonidal cyst was his spinal fluid leaking. Another person I know had a skin symptom dismissed as "women tend to be more sensitive (as in aesthetic awareness) to these things".
I've been misdiagnosed a few times too, thankfully with only limited (maybe, who really knows) damage done as a result.
Glad you're ok. My family doctor was like Gandalf so made up for it. :)
I find it hilarious his children are still pretending like his will won't read like a happy meal receipt from McDonald's.
I think I believe them about this. All of them have been wildly wealthy their entire life. Super duper wealthy and cavalier about how they experiment with spending it (what more careful people might call “business ventures”). I figure their father leads by example.
I think they really might spend their time do stupid shit, signing papers people that hang around them give them to sign, look for media opportunities and basically ENJOY being fucking stupid wealthy. It’s possible they’ve been cosplaying at being successful business people.
If thats the case then why would they remember how things went down? How big a penthouse is? Or anything. I think they’re fucked because Trump cares about his actual wealth and has probably seen it go down over his lifetime way more than he wants. That core fear is might be why all the bluster and cons and fraud?
I'm not surprised this was her strategy. Seems likw the easiest way to avoid perjury.
It was either that or the fifth and because it's a civil trial taking the fifth can absolutely be used against you unlike a criminal trial so thats probably why she went with the "I dunno" defense
"i can't recall" allows inferences too. Remember, it's a civil trial so the bar is "a preponderance of the evidence"- which, as a standard, is that a claim is 'more likely true than not true';
the "i can't recall" and the "i plead the fifth" are both a refusal to provide evidence, and that refusal allows the judge to make inferences about what you're not providing evidence. That said, they've already lost the trial, and they're probably going to get fucked even if she had perfect clarity... so the civil trial is more or less a lost cause (and a poltiical campaign point for Trump.). providing testimony might mitigate some of the fines... but probably would expose them to further criminal charges.
But why is her neck so long?
She doesn't recall
Fantastic game. Little nightmares.
They must have had to pull her sternum up to give her a chin. She looked like a beardless version of her brothers before the surgery
Guess she found a babysitter….
So, assuming the ability to recall emails that contain evidence of an intent to defraud or a crime does not exonerate people (eg, saying you don’t remember robbing the bank isn’t going to get you out of the video evidence of you doing so), what’s the procedure here?
Since this is a civil trial, can the court infer the intent to deceive based on the evidence presented? I know that taking the 5th in civil trials can be inferred as evasive and negative in some states for civil but not criminal trials, but I don’t know how that applies here.
Judge has already ruled that fraud was done. This part of the trial is just to figure out the penalties. The more they can muddy waters as to who, exactly did the fraud, the more they can hope the judge treats them like absurdly negligent morons rather than criminal masterminds.
It's like there's this committee of Trumps, and they're going one by one, asking "who shat in the punchbowl?" None of the kids can remember doing it, and their daddy just thinks it's a travesty that we're even talking about the steaming load. The evidence is all there, everyone knows what happened, but it's hard to know how much of a team effort it was and whom to punish.
As far as I know, the judge can directly compare the evidence to testimony and use it as part of the ruling.
So since she isn't providing anything to refute the evidence, the evidence is accepted as is?
Well, testimony can give context to evidence. The judge can infer a lot from what they won’t say.
These people aren’t secretaries or interns. They are top executives and they can’t seem to recall any of their duties that went into these evaluations. The judge is at least able to glean that they are incompetent and fraudulent when deciding damages.
yes.
"I don't recall"
aka
"I definitely recall but this canned phrase is basically a get out of jail free card in America"
In civil trials out didn't work like that. If they can at all prove you knew or should have known the answer you can catch contempt.
In criminal cases, the charges must be proven true beyond any reasonable doubt; probably == innocent. In civil cases, the bar is only more likely than not; probably == guilty.
Yes, that doesn't at all change what I've said.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In one exchange Ivanka Trump was shown a series of emails and other documents relating to a loan from Deutsche Bank’s private wealth management division.
“I don’t recall,” she said, when asked about multiple documents and emails that showed she played a key role in deals to obtain financing for the Trump Organization.
Trump’s lawyers made the case that Deutsche Bank was delighted to do business with the family and favorable loans were part of their attempts to woo them.
The attorney general’s office had wanted Trump’s eldest daughter to testify in court before the former president himself took the stand, but ultimately rescheduled her appearance because of her appeal.
Before the trial started, Judge Arthur Engoron found Trump guilty of inflating the value of his assets on state financial statements that were used to broker deals and obtain loans.
Though Trump’s team is appealing the decision, he stands to lose his state business licenses if the appellate court sides with Engoron.
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Smartest person in the Trump family.
Which is still dumb compared to the average
The McConnell Defense! Ah do nawt recahul.
Those people must be all suffering from dementia
Looks like someone learned from Olaf Scholz
"i forgor"
To be fair, I don't recall most of my time on hard drugs as well.