Zero video or photo evidence, all claims lead to a single unreliable israeli propaganda site called Channel 12.
No mention of the boy on any non israeli "news" site.
What happened to talking about unreliable sources? I guess any IDF propaganda without evidence is completely fine but anti israel news with picture and video evidence isn't reliable.
Why is this source even allowed? They provided no real evidence other than pointing to Channel 12.
Is there a video? I can't see it on Channel 12, only snapshots of it. Maybe because I'm on mobile.
As always with any story, its important to get evidence.
According to channel 12. So not credible at all. They're Zionist loons.
Of course. It’s critical of hamas so obviously it must be fake.
No, you can be critical of hamas. But the presenters are full on genocidal.
You have never been critical of hamas
cmon
It's making big claims without source
I'll wait for evidence and/or more reporting, but unless something comes out this is pretty damning.
The cognitive dissonance in the comments is pathetic as always. Fuck the IDF but also fuck Hamas. Anything negative on Hamas is instantly discredited until the proof is unquestionable.
So much good faith in Hamas when they don’t deal in good faith themselves:
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
Hamas is 100% continuing this war just like the IDF is, they are both disgusting and are using the Palestinian people as the pawns
I agree. 100%. Like YES, Israel is being maximum scum by retaliating with excessive force. We get it, they have all the "1st world countries" funding them. They keep murdering people with a crazy multiplier compared to Palestine.
But to pretend that Hamas is not at all culpable or disgusting for their OWN actions is not it.
Hamas has an official police force?
They are literally the Gazan government.
A story with zero evidence?
And Israel has been killing so many Hamas but they still openly have police patrolling the streets?
This is disgusting and should never happen.
True. But looking at the sources it most likely didn't.
Why does Netanyahu continue to prop up Hamas?
This is a weird story, just because it takes place in front a backdrop of widespread child death and social collapse.
The thing is, it's STILL a tragedy. It just feels odd. Like reporting "American soldier from Illinois drowns during operation in Normandie" or "Woman killed in vehicular accident outside Bartertown".
Like... that's terrible, but they're in the midst of complete social collapse. There's no food or water, and also a kid dies in Gaza every 15 minutes. So again, it's really heartbreaking that this kind -- Ahmed Bracha -- died. It's just hard to figure how one writes an article about this particular child dying while apparently trying to get food among so many corpses of children trying to get food.
There needs to be a ceasefire. The siege must end. Hostages on both sides need to go home. This is truly atrocious.
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
Neither side wants a ceasefire
I reject the framing of "Neither side": there are not two sides, there are many.
First, I think what you mean is that the Netanyahu government and Sinwar's Hamas don't want a ceasefire. And technically, it's more accurate to say that neither side wants a ceasefire along the terms offered by the other.
Secondly, though, I don't support either of these two parties. I didn't say "there needs to be a ceasefire when Hamas and Likud feel like it". Both sides are currently run by war criminals, and the matter shouldn't be in their hands.
I'm an American Jew, and my primary interest is compelling my president and government to stop providing material/logistical/political support for genocide. I want conditions on aid to Israel, and a formal declaration that the US position is that the war has gone far beyond securing Israel's safety and is clearly destabilizing the security of Israel, the US, and the region (not to mention Palestinian noncombatants). And if Netanyahu and Sinwar don't like it, that's good because their interests are diametrically opposed to mine.
There is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza and Hamas is causing it
Yeah, nothing to do with military occupation, indiscriminate bombing, targeting of infrastructure, or Israel not allowing in aid.
It's almost as if two things can be true.
Hamas maybe started the latest conflict, but they're certainly not the ones that are continuing it at this point.
Huh???
Hamas has reneged on every agreement, cease fire, hostage swaps. They refuse a ceasefire right fucking now because the Hamas leaders refuse to walk away.
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
Hamas is 100% continuing this war just like the IDF is, they are both disgusting.
All they need to do is give up the hostages.
Yeah and then Israel can go back to their peaceful genocide right? I get it death is bad, but ignoring context (settler colonialism) to feel superior by saying both sides are bad is dumb. None of us can sit here and tell an oppressed people how to fight their oppressor.
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
You forgot foreign leadership continuing to use the Palestinian people’s lives as currency for their operations and future plans.
Israel and Hamas, working together to hurt the Palestinian people.
That's how it's been since Hamas was founded with Israeli aid, and how it's been ever since.
Hamas and Netanyahu are allies.
Dude, quit blaming one group of sociopathic religious/ethno nationalists. It’s like if two street gangs were having a gun brawl outside of an elementary school and you were asking which gang had the most legitimate grievances.
You should read this play called Romeo and Juliet. It’s got a whole lesson about how idiots fighting and holding grudges destroys the most beautiful love of all.
And Mercutio. He isn’t poking anyone but “A plague o' both your houses!” is a cool line.
Harold Perrineau really did play the best Mercutio. There’s obviously a lot of reasons to not like Baz Luhrmann’s teen-romance interpretation of Romeo + Juliet but that interpretation and performance of Mercutio should inspire all future stagings.
No, they're not the one blocking aid and bombing their own infrastructure and killing thousands of civilians.
Hopefully now we can all be on the same page that Hamas and the IDF are both bad guys, and they both hurt the Palestinian people. Hamas less so, but as this story illustrates, they are no friend to Palestinians.
This fits with a report from the beginning of the war that said Hamas had stockpiles of food, water, and medicine that they were keeping just for themselves while Israel tried to starve the Palestinians to death.
The original reporting this is coming do appear to be in Gaza, but are unattributed as to who filmed them. It's also unclear if these videos were reported locally first and picked up, or if they were sent directly to N12.
So are you saying that someone in Gaza filmed this and went ahead and sent it to an Israeli news channel?
I think it's more likely they were spread through the various Telegram "news" channels and then picked up after verifying the source or at least the video/images - checking for language/location/time/that they actually show what was claimed.
Palestine bad
The state of Palestine is not directly involved in this conflict.
Zero video or photo evidence, all claims lead to a single unreliable israeli propaganda site called Channel 12.
No mention of the boy on any non israeli "news" site.
What happened to talking about unreliable sources? I guess any IDF propaganda without evidence is completely fine but anti israel news with picture and video evidence isn't reliable.
Why is this source even allowed? They provided no real evidence other than pointing to Channel 12.
Is there a video? I can't see it on Channel 12, only snapshots of it. Maybe because I'm on mobile.
As always with any story, its important to get evidence.
According to channel 12. So not credible at all. They're Zionist loons.
Of course. It’s critical of hamas so obviously it must be fake.
No, you can be critical of hamas. But the presenters are full on genocidal.
You have never been critical of hamas
cmon
It's making big claims without source
I'll wait for evidence and/or more reporting, but unless something comes out this is pretty damning.
The cognitive dissonance in the comments is pathetic as always. Fuck the IDF but also fuck Hamas. Anything negative on Hamas is instantly discredited until the proof is unquestionable.
So much good faith in Hamas when they don’t deal in good faith themselves:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-islamic-jihad-reject-giving-up-power-return-permanent-ceasefire-egyptian-2023-12-25/
Hamas is 100% continuing this war just like the IDF is, they are both disgusting and are using the Palestinian people as the pawns
I agree. 100%. Like YES, Israel is being maximum scum by retaliating with excessive force. We get it, they have all the "1st world countries" funding them. They keep murdering people with a crazy multiplier compared to Palestine.
But to pretend that Hamas is not at all culpable or disgusting for their OWN actions is not it.
Hamas has an official police force?
They are literally the Gazan government.
A story with zero evidence?
And Israel has been killing so many Hamas but they still openly have police patrolling the streets?
This is disgusting and should never happen.
True. But looking at the sources it most likely didn't.
Why does Netanyahu continue to prop up Hamas?
This is a weird story, just because it takes place in front a backdrop of widespread child death and social collapse.
The thing is, it's STILL a tragedy. It just feels odd. Like reporting "American soldier from Illinois drowns during operation in Normandie" or "Woman killed in vehicular accident outside Bartertown".
Like... that's terrible, but they're in the midst of complete social collapse. There's no food or water, and also a kid dies in Gaza every 15 minutes. So again, it's really heartbreaking that this kind -- Ahmed Bracha -- died. It's just hard to figure how one writes an article about this particular child dying while apparently trying to get food among so many corpses of children trying to get food.
There needs to be a ceasefire. The siege must end. Hostages on both sides need to go home. This is truly atrocious.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-islamic-jihad-reject-giving-up-power-return-permanent-ceasefire-egyptian-2023-12-25/
Neither side wants a ceasefire
I reject the framing of "Neither side": there are not two sides, there are many.
First, I think what you mean is that the Netanyahu government and Sinwar's Hamas don't want a ceasefire. And technically, it's more accurate to say that neither side wants a ceasefire along the terms offered by the other.
Secondly, though, I don't support either of these two parties. I didn't say "there needs to be a ceasefire when Hamas and Likud feel like it". Both sides are currently run by war criminals, and the matter shouldn't be in their hands.
I'm an American Jew, and my primary interest is compelling my president and government to stop providing material/logistical/political support for genocide. I want conditions on aid to Israel, and a formal declaration that the US position is that the war has gone far beyond securing Israel's safety and is clearly destabilizing the security of Israel, the US, and the region (not to mention Palestinian noncombatants). And if Netanyahu and Sinwar don't like it, that's good because their interests are diametrically opposed to mine.
There is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza and Hamas is causing it
Yeah, nothing to do with military occupation, indiscriminate bombing, targeting of infrastructure, or Israel not allowing in aid.
It's almost as if two things can be true.
Hamas maybe started the latest conflict, but they're certainly not the ones that are continuing it at this point.
Huh???
Hamas has reneged on every agreement, cease fire, hostage swaps. They refuse a ceasefire right fucking now because the Hamas leaders refuse to walk away.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-islamic-jihad-reject-giving-up-power-return-permanent-ceasefire-egyptian-2023-12-25/
Hamas is 100% continuing this war just like the IDF is, they are both disgusting.
All they need to do is give up the hostages.
Yeah and then Israel can go back to their peaceful genocide right? I get it death is bad, but ignoring context (settler colonialism) to feel superior by saying both sides are bad is dumb. None of us can sit here and tell an oppressed people how to fight their oppressor.
Absolutely, however you’re being reductive here.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-islamic-jihad-reject-giving-up-power-return-permanent-ceasefire-egyptian-2023-12-25/
You forgot foreign leadership continuing to use the Palestinian people’s lives as currency for their operations and future plans.
Israel and Hamas, working together to hurt the Palestinian people.
That's how it's been since Hamas was founded with Israeli aid, and how it's been ever since.
Hamas and Netanyahu are allies.
Dude, quit blaming one group of sociopathic religious/ethno nationalists. It’s like if two street gangs were having a gun brawl outside of an elementary school and you were asking which gang had the most legitimate grievances.
You should read this play called Romeo and Juliet. It’s got a whole lesson about how idiots fighting and holding grudges destroys the most beautiful love of all.
And Mercutio. He isn’t poking anyone but “A plague o' both your houses!” is a cool line.
Harold Perrineau really did play the best Mercutio. There’s obviously a lot of reasons to not like Baz Luhrmann’s teen-romance interpretation of Romeo + Juliet but that interpretation and performance of Mercutio should inspire all future stagings.
No, they're not the one blocking aid and bombing their own infrastructure and killing thousands of civilians.
Looks like its Egypt and the UN who are blocking aid.
Hopefully now we can all be on the same page that Hamas and the IDF are both bad guys, and they both hurt the Palestinian people. Hamas less so, but as this story illustrates, they are no friend to Palestinians.
This fits with a report from the beginning of the war that said Hamas had stockpiles of food, water, and medicine that they were keeping just for themselves while Israel tried to starve the Palestinians to death.
The original reporting this is coming do appear to be in Gaza, but are unattributed as to who filmed them. It's also unclear if these videos were reported locally first and picked up, or if they were sent directly to N12.
So are you saying that someone in Gaza filmed this and went ahead and sent it to an Israeli news channel?
I think it's more likely they were spread through the various Telegram "news" channels and then picked up after verifying the source or at least the video/images - checking for language/location/time/that they actually show what was claimed.
Palestine bad
The state of Palestine is not directly involved in this conflict.
the Palestinian people suffer greatly