They know that Trump is Bibi's best friend, right? And electing him will triple-down on the genocide?
They know that, right?
Right, so Biden should get no criticism for supporting genocide because the other guy does it more? Seems democrats can get away with anything by simply not being trump.
That is unironically what every pro-genocide centrist wants.
pro-genocide centrist
How fucked is your country when this is a thing
I fear that the answer is "not as fucked as it will yet become."
Op never said Biden should get a pass. The question is why protestors aren't ALSO disrupting Republican events at the same magnitude and frequency.
Because Republicans aren't in charge of diplomacy right now, that's a responsibility of the president.
They're mostly the tiktok generation who can barely read. Critical and logical thinking are pipe dreams.
Gonna be a hard life for them.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide, nor dismissing and alienating those that oppose it.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide
Good thing they don't then isn't it?
Saying there is one doesn't make it true.
There is a war, it's brutal and will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
Palestine doesn't even have an army. What war are you talking about?
This is more a "special military operation" as retaliation for a terrorist attack. Because this ain't a war, it's a massacre of mostly innocent people. I mean.. they're literally targeting children. And the ambulance trying to reach them.
Palestine doesn't even have an army.
It just happened to have 24 battalions of Hamas terroists I guess eh?
Good news is 18 of them have been eliminated. Won't be long now until the objective is complete.
Ok, if they were confining that to Hamas maybe it would be good news. But how many Palestinians were "eliminated" on the way to delivering you your "good news". How many dead children? How many doctors, teachers, drivers, grandparents have been eliminated to bring you this good news?
I just don't think that Israeli lives are any more or less important than Palestinian lives. So murdering 30,000 Gazans doesn't seem like remotely good news to me.
But then again I'm not a bloodthirsty bigot.
Good thing they don’t then isn’t it?
It would be a good thing if they weren't gaslighting genocide deniers as well, but here you are.
Saying there is one doesn’t make it true.
Denying it doesn't make it anything other than genocide. You just want to support genocide without pushback.
There is a war, it’s brutal and will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
It's genocide and nothing else. Downplaying it is genocide apologia.
Did you look at the picture of the protesters? You think those people are GenZ?
Centrist Democrats can't justify their support for genocide because there is no justification for supporting genocide. But since they don't want to stop, we get the Greatest Hits of Centrist Dismissals.
Right? Dude provides a screenshot showing the younger people are the more likely they are to think this is genocide. And this Boomer, rather than thinking "Hey these younger people are speaking their minds and I should respect the direction they want to take their future." they're like "Nah fuck that. Fucking younger people can't read amirite??" Boomer, you aren't going to be alive long enough for the decisions being made here to affect your life at all. Just shut the fuck up already.
It's fucking gross. Moderates are gross. Boomers are gross.
So much of the dismissal of those who are opposed to the genocide that centrist Democrats support boils down to "I'm old. I assume you're younger than me and are therefore wrong."
Exactly. It's just Boomers who are obsessed with getting their way. Then they turn around and tell us that we don't know how to compromise. The best examples they have about "compromises" they have made are things like "Biden stood with a picket line!" or "He tried for student loan forgiveness." They genuinely feel like those were material compromises on their part despite neither one having any impact on their lives in any way. It's fucking pathetic.
Centrist Democrats didn't want student loan forgiveness because of course they didn't, while progressives wanted student loan forgiveness because it helps people. Biden listened to progressives. When the Supreme Court agreed with Centrist Democrats and struck down Biden's first attempt at forgiveness, he kept trying.
I've been screaming for years that Democrats need to listen to progressives and not give up forever at the first setback. Biden did exactly what I wanted on student loans: he listened to progressives and kept trying. I cannot fault him on that issue.
There's a whole host of other issues I absolutely will fault him for. I agree with your other example. Centrist Democrats keep trying to give Biden sole credit for the UAW's hard work because he held a photo op.
If Biden had succeeded at student loan forgiveness that would mean moderates gave something up. He didn't and thus it's ridiculous to me they try to act like that's a compromise. It was an attempt at a compromise which failed.
I'm mid 30s so technically a millenial. Also I'm a progressive and voted for Sanders while you were playing with your fidget spinner in middle school.
Note the source of the poll. YouGov. They're reliable and as I said that was one example. Every poll shows it's young people.
But sure cling on to anecdotal evidence and call people you disagree with boomers. That'll get you far lmao.
Every poll shows it’s young people.
Are you calling yourself "young people" then? Your own poll shows 43% of Millennials believe genocide is being committed.
I'm saying they've been "educated" by Tiktok, AKA brainwashed.
Nationally, 48 percent of U.S. Millennial and Gen Z could not name a single one of the more than 40,000 concentration camps or ghettos established during World War II. This number is reflected in individual state outcomes, with an astounding 60 percent of respondents in Texas, 58 percent in New York, and 57 percent in South Carolina, unable to name a single camp or ghetto.
56 percent of U.S. Millennial and Gen Z were unable to identify Auschwitz-Birkenau, and there was virtually no awareness of concentration camps and ghettos overall. Only six percent of respondents are familiar with the infamous Dachau camp, while awareness of Bergen-Belsen (three percent), Buchenwald (one percent) and Treblinka (one percent) is virtually nonexistent.
When asked how many Jews were killed during the Holocaust, 63 percent of Millennials and Gen Z did not know six million Jews were murdered.
Biden needs these votes to win the 2024 general election. You can mock them all you like but that isn't going to make them show up at the ballot box. If you don't want Trump to win you'd better hope he stops sending weapons to Israel.
You can mock them all you like but that isn't going to make them show up at the ballot box.
I'm aware.
There are people who are going to be dumb about this and stay home or vote third party. Thing is there's nothing anyone will say or do that will change their minds one way or another. I know because I voted for Jill Stein in 2016, in Wisconsin. Some have to make the mistake first hand to know it was wrong. It is what it is.
Upshot is I suspect major operations will be wrapped up by late spring. If so Gaza will be a distant memory to most voters in November.
Biden had an 81,000 vote margin in the key electoral college states to work with in 2020. Hopefully he can take the hit this Gaza situation will bring.
If he can't, so be it. Life will just get worse faster but at least I'll get to have a little bit of schadenfreude on the way down watching the Tiktokd left live the meme.
I see that meme and I think moderates when they cry that their pro-corporate, strike blocking, genocide supporting trash candidate who refuses to compromise with leftists or progressives loses to Donald Trump.
You look at 2016 and you feel guilty for what you did. I look at 2016 and thought "surely moderates will see the error of their ways and understand they can't win elections without us."
Nope. Despite moderates being the majority voting bloc they convinced themselves and a good deal of progressives that it was our fault. It's complete horse shit.
genocide supporting trash candidate who refuses to compromise
...with people who chant from the river to the sea yet cry genocide at every turn without a hint of Irony.
It's complete horse shit
I take solace in the fact there's not a damn thing you're going to do that will change a thing.
All these mental idiots in this thread equating criticism of Biden to supporting Trump are the reason why nothing ever changes.
Bet you its the same people who voted for Biden in the primaries instead of a real leftist/progressive like Bernie Sanders.
If Imran Khan sitting in jail sending messages to his voters via a fake AI version of himself can garner enough votes to defeat the militarily backed opposition in Pakistan, there is no excuse for why democrats can't be at least forced to listen to their constituency instead of running yet another corporate shill and then crying when they lose elections again because said corporate shill actively funded a genocide
Wow get a load of these Trumpist chuds.
He's been trying since the start.
Biden also emphasized his view that "a military operation in Rafah just really cannot proceed without a credible and implementable plan for ensuring the safety of and support for the more than 1 million people that are now sheltering there," the official said, adding that they simply had "nowhere to go."
Biden and his team have also been irritated by Netanyahu’s public rejections of a two-state solution, long a lynchpin of American policy in the region.
The Biden administration has placed a particular premium on Israel reducing the number of civilian casualties in its military operations. The U.S. urging seemed to have some effect in recent days, as Israel began to withdraw some troops from northern Gaza and moved to a less-intensive campaign of airstrikes.
Israel has been not just uncooperative, but also openly hostile toward some smaller American requests, such as when Blinken pressed Israel to turn over the tax revenue it collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority, which Israel has refused to do.
"Please stop using the bombs I'm selling you" -Genocide Joe
You are a stupid mother fucker.
And you are a master projectionist
I'm sure Biden is working tirelessly until the early bird special at cracker barrel to figure this all out. He won't stop until dinner specials are half off.
Biden knows he has the power to stop this. He stopped Netanyahu'a bombing in 2021 with one phone call.
If he isn't getting it stopped it's because he doesn't want it stopped. And that's without even getting into the fact that he's still sending them bombs. You'd think that would be the first thing to stop.
Netty is an authoritarian so he knows squeezing bidens balls on this is a "victory" for himself regardless if Gaza is decimated
Brooks brothers riot vibes
How?
In what kind of way is trying to get a president to change his mind on helping to destroy Gaza and its people anything like bringing in a bunch of Young Republicans to stop counting legitimate votes in order to steal an election?
Like, even just on vibes alone.. how?
according to democrats...
if you didn't vote for Joe biden, you were a trumper
you were supposed to hold your nose and vote, then pressure him on policy.
but not now, I guess. wait until he's out of office?
By making it clear that if the Democrats support Genocide they will not get voted for.
You can blame the DNC for this. Stop blaming the victims
"It's a false flag by antifa and the feds" vibe.
Yes, get the orange man elected instead. I'm fairly certain a core platform of the GOP is to stop brown people dying and to stop selling military hardware.
Straw man, nobody is saying to vote for trump
Not a straw man, it would be the consequence of continuing to protest by interrupting Biden's fundraising.
If only there was one thing Biden could do right now to salvage those key voting blocks in multiple battleground states he barely won in 2020...
Nah it's the people who are wrong.
GOP literally blocked the the largest immigration reform proposed by Democrats in history because they can't let it happen while Biden is in office. If you think the GOP is anything else except an entire party of traitors and turncoats, I have a bridge to sell you.
Okay, and?
Nobody said anything about the GOP.
Well I had to infer what the person above was referring to since they posted an inane comment devoid of detail or thought.
It's a Simpsons meme in text. He could just stop sending aid. Literally that one thing would ensure his reelection.
Why would he stop sending aid when he's already sent aid to Palestine?
Dude literally defunded UNRWA in response to Israeli propaganda and is just sitting there watching Israel block aid. At that point sending aid to a place you know it won't arrive because of your own actions is incredibly disingenuous. Basically just so people like you can say "he already sent aid to Palestine!"
We're not dumb and we're not blind. Don't insult us.
Right. Because that UNRWA aid was used to fund terrorism and radicalization, unlike US aid to Israel which was used to defend it's population from terrorist rockets.
Except our own intelligence community rated those accusations as "low confidence" meaning it's trash.
Here's my take that no one asked for.
Most of these people do not know about the horrors going on in places like Yemen or Myanmar. And if you tell them about them, they don't suddenly feel a need to rush out and start pressuring others for a cease fire.
To me, this means that most don't personally care about what's going on in Palestine, they've just been told what to feel by social media which has filtered all Israel/Palestine information through a megaphone. These people flitter between one cause after another, never forming their own opinions or taking the time to view things objectively. They just wait for what the internet tells them they should feel and act on it.
Yeah, that's an incredibly shitty and nihilistic take. People only have so much bandwidth, so while yes, there does seem to be public responses to what's based on the news, people are at least having the right reactions to it. Would you rather no one say anything? What would that say about our society and culture as a whole if they were okay with blatant genocide when it was broadcast in front of him?
And here's the thing, we don't really have any ties to Yemen, or Myanmar, but we DO have direct ties to Israel. In fact, if it weren't for the US involvement and the alliance with Israel, they never would have been as advanced and powerful as they are now. The US President has a direct influence to what is going on in Gaza, and if he wished it, he could have immediately put a stop to it. But he didn't. He is putting pressure on them now at least to start minimizing the civilian casualties, but it never would have happened if it wasn't for people protesting like this. These people are some of THE ONLY ONES that are out there and making a direct change, and your minimalizing their efforts and success.
I find it incredibly ironic how you try to paint these people as being ignorant, when you yourself have shown just how ignorant and unabashedly jaded you are at people's attempts to help.
Edit: Previous post got posted twice. Sorry.
The US President has a direct influence to what is going on in Gaza, and if he wished it, he could have immediately put a stop to it.
Israel enjoys some American cash but don't think for a second it has power over them.
At the end of the day Israel is ranked 29th in GDP and it has 400 nukes. No outsiders can tell them what to do, not even the Americans.
Israel never would have gotten there without US assistance. The US wanted a strong foothold to the middle east and thus enabled Israel by giving them almost $4 billion per year. They are literally a core element of the US's entire Middle East policy.
We had to work with someone in the area, better to do it with those who scored higher at understanding reality and rational thought.
Our other options were to trust those who worship a pedophile that married a 6 year old and raped her when she was 9. They will also behead you if you draw said pedophile with a crayon.
Not exactly the type of people you want to be allied with.
Judaism has some weird shit as well but I don't have to take my shoes off at the airport because of them nor do they get all beheady when you wanna make some cartoons about Yahweh so they're already streets ahead in my rankings.
Israel enjoys some American cash but don’t think for a second it has power over them.
Then there's no reason that Netanyahu can't carry on with his genocide without our help.
If the US put a carrier group in the med and said either you stop or we stop you, Israel would stop.
Oh really? Hasn't worked on the Houthis and they've been actively striking them for months.
Aside from that nuclear powers don't have direct conflicts for obvious reasons. If the US even thought about it Israel would remind them of the Samson protocol.
The Houthis are a rebel group used to hiding in caves while bombs fall. Apples and Oranges.
And anyone who is using nukes to cover for genocidal actions needs to lose those nukes ASAP. We don't let Iran have nukes because we consider them unstable. If Israel is really willing to bomb the entire middle east just to keep killing civilians then they are demonstrably less stable.
that's a lot of assumptions about what these people are thinking
Lmao the left has been trying to get the government to stop helping the Saudis in Yemen for a decade. And Myanmar was literally headline news.
Do you know about what's going on in Sudan right now?
Ethiopia?
Somalia?
Sri Lanka?
Tao Tao?
The Sahel?
Haiti?
Mozambique?
Democratic Republic of Congo?
Mexico?
Pakistan?
Chad?
If we have to tackle every conflict every time we want to denounce one actor in one conflict; we're going to be here a long time.
Most of these people do not know about the horrors going on in places like Yemen or Myanmar. And if you tell them about them, they don't suddenly feel a need to rush out and start pressuring others for a cease fire.
Countries around the world erupted in protests against Israel and in celebration of the attacks on Oct 7th before Israel even responded.
The answer is quite simple, they hate Jews. The reason those other issues don't elicit a reaponse boils down to no Jews no news
Good old Kremlin propaganda. How is it genocide joe??? Sounds like kgb talking points.
Hello Sen. McCarthy. How's hell this time of the year?
I wouldn't be surprised. But damn does he have to open himself up to criticism like this during an election year? And to defend (checks notes) the world's most obvious induced famine genocide since the Holodomor?
Direct action is super based.
They know that Trump is Bibi's best friend, right? And electing him will triple-down on the genocide?
They know that, right?
Right, so Biden should get no criticism for supporting genocide because the other guy does it more? Seems democrats can get away with anything by simply not being trump.
That is unironically what every pro-genocide centrist wants.
How fucked is your country when this is a thing
I fear that the answer is "not as fucked as it will yet become."
Op never said Biden should get a pass. The question is why protestors aren't ALSO disrupting Republican events at the same magnitude and frequency.
Because Republicans aren't in charge of diplomacy right now, that's a responsibility of the president.
they're not saying they would vote for trump, either
that sounds like a good reason to continue petitioning biden. what's the problem
I keep wondering the same thing.
Then start telling Biden to stop sending weapons to israel instead of victim blaming.
Well stop wondering and ask yourself if you'd rather Biden stop sending weapons to Israel or lose to Donald Trump.
When the left and right extremes agree, what does it mean?
The left does not agree with the genocide that centrists and their republican buddies have always wanted.
They're mostly the tiktok generation who can barely read. Critical and logical thinking are pipe dreams.
Gonna be a hard life for them.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide, nor dismissing and alienating those that oppose it.
Good thing they don't then isn't it?
Saying there is one doesn't make it true.
There is a war, it's brutal and will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
Palestine doesn't even have an army. What war are you talking about?
This is more a "special military operation" as retaliation for a terrorist attack. Because this ain't a war, it's a massacre of mostly innocent people. I mean.. they're literally targeting children. And the ambulance trying to reach them.
It just happened to have 24 battalions of Hamas terroists I guess eh?
Good news is 18 of them have been eliminated. Won't be long now until the objective is complete.
Ok, if they were confining that to Hamas maybe it would be good news. But how many Palestinians were "eliminated" on the way to delivering you your "good news". How many dead children? How many doctors, teachers, drivers, grandparents have been eliminated to bring you this good news?
I just don't think that Israeli lives are any more or less important than Palestinian lives. So murdering 30,000 Gazans doesn't seem like remotely good news to me.
But then again I'm not a bloodthirsty bigot.
It would be a good thing if they weren't gaslighting genocide deniers as well, but here you are.
Denying it doesn't make it anything other than genocide. You just want to support genocide without pushback.
It's genocide and nothing else. Downplaying it is genocide apologia.
Did you look at the picture of the protesters? You think those people are GenZ?
Centrist Democrats can't justify their support for genocide because there is no justification for supporting genocide. But since they don't want to stop, we get the Greatest Hits of Centrist Dismissals.
Right? Dude provides a screenshot showing the younger people are the more likely they are to think this is genocide. And this Boomer, rather than thinking "Hey these younger people are speaking their minds and I should respect the direction they want to take their future." they're like "Nah fuck that. Fucking younger people can't read amirite??" Boomer, you aren't going to be alive long enough for the decisions being made here to affect your life at all. Just shut the fuck up already.
It's fucking gross. Moderates are gross. Boomers are gross.
So much of the dismissal of those who are opposed to the genocide that centrist Democrats support boils down to "I'm old. I assume you're younger than me and are therefore wrong."
Exactly. It's just Boomers who are obsessed with getting their way. Then they turn around and tell us that we don't know how to compromise. The best examples they have about "compromises" they have made are things like "Biden stood with a picket line!" or "He tried for student loan forgiveness." They genuinely feel like those were material compromises on their part despite neither one having any impact on their lives in any way. It's fucking pathetic.
Centrist Democrats didn't want student loan forgiveness because of course they didn't, while progressives wanted student loan forgiveness because it helps people. Biden listened to progressives. When the Supreme Court agreed with Centrist Democrats and struck down Biden's first attempt at forgiveness, he kept trying.
I've been screaming for years that Democrats need to listen to progressives and not give up forever at the first setback. Biden did exactly what I wanted on student loans: he listened to progressives and kept trying. I cannot fault him on that issue.
There's a whole host of other issues I absolutely will fault him for. I agree with your other example. Centrist Democrats keep trying to give Biden sole credit for the UAW's hard work because he held a photo op.
If Biden had succeeded at student loan forgiveness that would mean moderates gave something up. He didn't and thus it's ridiculous to me they try to act like that's a compromise. It was an attempt at a compromise which failed.
I'm mid 30s so technically a millenial. Also I'm a progressive and voted for Sanders while you were playing with your fidget spinner in middle school.
Note the source of the poll. YouGov. They're reliable and as I said that was one example. Every poll shows it's young people.
But sure cling on to anecdotal evidence and call people you disagree with boomers. That'll get you far lmao.
Are you calling yourself "young people" then? Your own poll shows 43% of Millennials believe genocide is being committed.
I'm saying they've been "educated" by Tiktok, AKA brainwashed.
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4349815-poll-americans-holocaust-myth/
I'm not about to unravel what your deal is here.
Biden needs these votes to win the 2024 general election. You can mock them all you like but that isn't going to make them show up at the ballot box. If you don't want Trump to win you'd better hope he stops sending weapons to Israel.
I'm aware.
There are people who are going to be dumb about this and stay home or vote third party. Thing is there's nothing anyone will say or do that will change their minds one way or another. I know because I voted for Jill Stein in 2016, in Wisconsin. Some have to make the mistake first hand to know it was wrong. It is what it is.
Upshot is I suspect major operations will be wrapped up by late spring. If so Gaza will be a distant memory to most voters in November.
Biden had an 81,000 vote margin in the key electoral college states to work with in 2020. Hopefully he can take the hit this Gaza situation will bring.
If he can't, so be it. Life will just get worse faster but at least I'll get to have a little bit of schadenfreude on the way down watching the Tiktokd left live the meme.
I see that meme and I think moderates when they cry that their pro-corporate, strike blocking, genocide supporting trash candidate who refuses to compromise with leftists or progressives loses to Donald Trump.
You look at 2016 and you feel guilty for what you did. I look at 2016 and thought "surely moderates will see the error of their ways and understand they can't win elections without us."
Nope. Despite moderates being the majority voting bloc they convinced themselves and a good deal of progressives that it was our fault. It's complete horse shit.
...with people who chant from the river to the sea yet cry genocide at every turn without a hint of Irony.
I take solace in the fact there's not a damn thing you're going to do that will change a thing.
Small sample size. I look at the polling data. Those claiming there's a genocide skew young in every poll.
Good. You didn't answer my question. My guess is you're a Boomer who thinks everyone younger than 65 is a child.
All these mental idiots in this thread equating criticism of Biden to supporting Trump are the reason why nothing ever changes.
Bet you its the same people who voted for Biden in the primaries instead of a real leftist/progressive like Bernie Sanders.
If Imran Khan sitting in jail sending messages to his voters via a fake AI version of himself can garner enough votes to defeat the militarily backed opposition in Pakistan, there is no excuse for why democrats can't be at least forced to listen to their constituency instead of running yet another corporate shill and then crying when they lose elections again because said corporate shill actively funded a genocide
Wow get a load of these Trumpist chuds.
He's been trying since the start.
https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-will-speak-with-netanyahu-sunday-white-house-officials-say-2024-02-11/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/12/politics/biden-netanyahu-israel-gaza/index.html
https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-israel-palestinians-gaza-fe150c19cdcc4737f4a9e22a695490ed
He circumvented congress to sell Netanyahu weapons to be used for genocide, but trust us, he's slightly miffed.
Biden administration sidesteps Congress again for emergency arms sale to Israel
"Please stop using the bombs I'm selling you" -Genocide Joe
You are a stupid mother fucker.
And you are a master projectionist
I'm sure Biden is working tirelessly until the early bird special at cracker barrel to figure this all out. He won't stop until dinner specials are half off.
Biden knows he has the power to stop this. He stopped Netanyahu'a bombing in 2021 with one phone call.
If he isn't getting it stopped it's because he doesn't want it stopped. And that's without even getting into the fact that he's still sending them bombs. You'd think that would be the first thing to stop.
Netty is an authoritarian so he knows squeezing bidens balls on this is a "victory" for himself regardless if Gaza is decimated
Brooks brothers riot vibes
How?
In what kind of way is trying to get a president to change his mind on helping to destroy Gaza and its people anything like bringing in a bunch of Young Republicans to stop counting legitimate votes in order to steal an election?
Like, even just on vibes alone.. how?
according to democrats...
if you didn't vote for Joe biden, you were a trumper
you were supposed to hold your nose and vote, then pressure him on policy.
but not now, I guess. wait until he's out of office?
By making it clear that if the Democrats support Genocide they will not get voted for.
You can blame the DNC for this. Stop blaming the victims
"It's a false flag by antifa and the feds" vibe.
Yes, get the orange man elected instead. I'm fairly certain a core platform of the GOP is to stop brown people dying and to stop selling military hardware.
Straw man, nobody is saying to vote for trump
Not a straw man, it would be the consequence of continuing to protest by interrupting Biden's fundraising.
If only there was one thing Biden could do right now to salvage those key voting blocks in multiple battleground states he barely won in 2020...
Nah it's the people who are wrong.
GOP literally blocked the the largest immigration reform proposed by Democrats in history because they can't let it happen while Biden is in office. If you think the GOP is anything else except an entire party of traitors and turncoats, I have a bridge to sell you.
Okay, and?
Nobody said anything about the GOP.
Well I had to infer what the person above was referring to since they posted an inane comment devoid of detail or thought.
It's a Simpsons meme in text. He could just stop sending aid. Literally that one thing would ensure his reelection.
Why would he stop sending aid when he's already sent aid to Palestine?
Dude literally defunded UNRWA in response to Israeli propaganda and is just sitting there watching Israel block aid. At that point sending aid to a place you know it won't arrive because of your own actions is incredibly disingenuous. Basically just so people like you can say "he already sent aid to Palestine!"
We're not dumb and we're not blind. Don't insult us.
Right. Because that UNRWA aid was used to fund terrorism and radicalization, unlike US aid to Israel which was used to defend it's population from terrorist rockets.
Except our own intelligence community rated those accusations as "low confidence" meaning it's trash.
Here's my take that no one asked for.
Most of these people do not know about the horrors going on in places like Yemen or Myanmar. And if you tell them about them, they don't suddenly feel a need to rush out and start pressuring others for a cease fire.
To me, this means that most don't personally care about what's going on in Palestine, they've just been told what to feel by social media which has filtered all Israel/Palestine information through a megaphone. These people flitter between one cause after another, never forming their own opinions or taking the time to view things objectively. They just wait for what the internet tells them they should feel and act on it.
Yeah, that's an incredibly shitty and nihilistic take. People only have so much bandwidth, so while yes, there does seem to be public responses to what's based on the news, people are at least having the right reactions to it. Would you rather no one say anything? What would that say about our society and culture as a whole if they were okay with blatant genocide when it was broadcast in front of him?
And here's the thing, we don't really have any ties to Yemen, or Myanmar, but we DO have direct ties to Israel. In fact, if it weren't for the US involvement and the alliance with Israel, they never would have been as advanced and powerful as they are now. The US President has a direct influence to what is going on in Gaza, and if he wished it, he could have immediately put a stop to it. But he didn't. He is putting pressure on them now at least to start minimizing the civilian casualties, but it never would have happened if it wasn't for people protesting like this. These people are some of THE ONLY ONES that are out there and making a direct change, and your minimalizing their efforts and success.
I find it incredibly ironic how you try to paint these people as being ignorant, when you yourself have shown just how ignorant and unabashedly jaded you are at people's attempts to help.
Edit: Previous post got posted twice. Sorry.
Israel enjoys some American cash but don't think for a second it has power over them.
At the end of the day Israel is ranked 29th in GDP and it has 400 nukes. No outsiders can tell them what to do, not even the Americans.
Israel never would have gotten there without US assistance. The US wanted a strong foothold to the middle east and thus enabled Israel by giving them almost $4 billion per year. They are literally a core element of the US's entire Middle East policy.
We had to work with someone in the area, better to do it with those who scored higher at understanding reality and rational thought.
Our other options were to trust those who worship a pedophile that married a 6 year old and raped her when she was 9. They will also behead you if you draw said pedophile with a crayon.
Not exactly the type of people you want to be allied with.
Judaism has some weird shit as well but I don't have to take my shoes off at the airport because of them nor do they get all beheady when you wanna make some cartoons about Yahweh so they're already streets ahead in my rankings.
Then there's no reason that Netanyahu can't carry on with his genocide without our help.
If the US put a carrier group in the med and said either you stop or we stop you, Israel would stop.
Oh really? Hasn't worked on the Houthis and they've been actively striking them for months.
Aside from that nuclear powers don't have direct conflicts for obvious reasons. If the US even thought about it Israel would remind them of the Samson protocol.
The Houthis are a rebel group used to hiding in caves while bombs fall. Apples and Oranges.
And anyone who is using nukes to cover for genocidal actions needs to lose those nukes ASAP. We don't let Iran have nukes because we consider them unstable. If Israel is really willing to bomb the entire middle east just to keep killing civilians then they are demonstrably less stable.
that's a lot of assumptions about what these people are thinking
Lmao the left has been trying to get the government to stop helping the Saudis in Yemen for a decade. And Myanmar was literally headline news.
Do you know about what's going on in Sudan right now?
Ethiopia?
Somalia?
Sri Lanka?
Tao Tao?
The Sahel?
Haiti?
Mozambique?
Democratic Republic of Congo?
Mexico?
Pakistan?
Chad?
If we have to tackle every conflict every time we want to denounce one actor in one conflict; we're going to be here a long time.
Countries around the world erupted in protests against Israel and in celebration of the attacks on Oct 7th before Israel even responded.
The answer is quite simple, they hate Jews. The reason those other issues don't elicit a reaponse boils down to no Jews no news
Good old Kremlin propaganda. How is it genocide joe??? Sounds like kgb talking points.
Hello Sen. McCarthy. How's hell this time of the year?
I wouldn't be surprised. But damn does he have to open himself up to criticism like this during an election year? And to defend (checks notes) the world's most obvious induced famine genocide since the Holodomor?
What is his upside here?