Marjorie Taylor Greene introduces amendment directing Biden to withdraw from Nato

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Marjorie Taylor Greene introduces amendment directing Biden to withdraw from Nato
independent.co.uk

President Biden expressed the US’s ‘ironclad commitment to NATO’

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And those fuckers have the gall to call themselves patriots. If anything, she's s Russian patriot.

Those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it - and this crazy lady seems doomed to repeat it.

If there's a budget problem and you're spending more than your fair share, negotiate on the budget, don't throw your toys out of the cot and have a temper tantrum and try to leave the most stable military alliance on earth that's the only thing holding Russia and china in check.

(Not an American, not from a NATO country, and not a supporter of Biden in any way, just saying that NATO is a bloody good idea and I'm glad it exists since it seems like the only thing stopping Putin from starting WW3).

only thing stopping Putin from starting WW3

People like her don’t seem to understand that the bad guys are bad and have real consequences to their behavior.

Because she is Putin’s tool and does nothing but spread misinformation.

she is Putin’s tool

Of course she is. The ( R ) is what makes it obvious.

Not only does she not learn from history, she also doesn’t seem to learn anything, full stop.

She doesn't want to learn anything. She already believes she has all the answers.

Can we not give this moron free air time? This idiot, like Trump, just wants to remain in the limelight and bask in adoration. She doesn't give a damned about NATO or any other foreign policy, she just likes seeing herself on the news.

Maddening.

Not only is her rationale for scuttling NATO wrong (she argues that US defense spending 'goes to NATO', that's not how that works), the consequence of a US pullout of NATO would be disastrously bad for US and NATO interests

It's as if her amendment isn't seriously intended to become law so much as it's an opportunity to spout bullshit that people will believe

Her entire "career" is based on attention-getting alone- she's never helped anything. That doesn't benefit her.

That's the entire GOP. Their idea of improving things is just a list of people to hate and reasons why rich people should pay less taxes. I'm consistently amazed at how many of these assholes show up without even pretending to have a plan forward and still get votes.

In walks the US MIC ”No, I don’t think we will”

So? Who cares what that pig cunt wants to do? She’s irrelevant.

Considering she's on multiple committees and was instrumental in putting McCarthy into place, I wouldn't call her irrelevant.

That said, this particular bill will go nowhere.

She’s irrelevant.

She should be irrelevant but unfortunaltey she's a member of congress and has more power that 99.999% of people.

Yet you're here talking about her. She's an actual traitor in a position of power. But sure she's irrelevant.

So, please…. Explain to me what makes her relevant. And remember- relevant ≠ popular.

The floor is yours.

Popularity is relevance in a democracy. She has influence over millions of people. She's an elected federal official who sits on a bunch of committees in Congress. Her shitty opinions on things like the debt ceiling helped bring us to the brink of a financial crisis. How is that not relevant?

So I’m not allowed d to have the opinion that’s she’s irrelevant? She HAS to be relevant to me?

Cool.

Hey, if you don’t mind, I’m going to check with you from now on when it comes to these things since you speak directly for me on these matters.

So much hate... They are saying that she is relevant, you are saying that she isn't without providing any proof then shielding your statement as an opinion after posting it.

Come on

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So I’m not allowed d to have the opinion that’s she’s irrelevant? She HAS to be relevant to me?

Cool.

Hey, if you don’t mind, I’m going to check with you from now on when it comes to these things since you speak directly for me on these matters.

Hey man what you're missing is that "relevancy" for elected leaders is objective. Her votes and committee positions do, in fact, objectively matter regardless of how much you or I personally disregard her.

You're having an argument based around a misnterpretation of that concept

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How is someone with legitimate power irrelevant? Ignoring her won't make her go away.

Because shes a fucking idiot with zero experience in her field and offers nothing to the forward progress of her country. In fact, her behavior is mostly anti-American.

At worst, she’s a traitor to her country- at best…. She’s irrelevant.

Being an idiot and a traitor does not make someone irrelevant. Do you not know what irrelevant means? No one with real power is irrelevant because they can wield that power in a relevant way.

Do you know what irrelevant means? Because you’re arguing her popularity. I’m saying she irrelevant.

She is an irrelevant human being. I’m not going to argue this.

Yes, I know what irrelevant means:

"not connected with or relevant to something."

This has nothing to do with her popularity. This has to do with her power. She sits on committees. That is power. She can unseat McCarthy any time she pleases. That is power. Power makes you relevant. Always. You can be incredibly unpopular and still be relevant if you have power. See: lots of autocrats.

At a certain point, you’re going to have to stop and ask yourself why you’re so butthurt over me calling her irrelevant. And then you’re going to need to process that information in such a way that you’ll be able to deal with whatever the answer happens to be in a healthy way.

I wish you the best of luck on that, but she remains irrelevant.

I'm not "butthurt," I'm just saying you can't be irrelevant and have power. That makes no sense.

She’s irrelevant.

Repeating it doesn't make what you're saying make sense. "Irrelevant" doesn't mean stupid or wrong or a traitor, it means you have no effect on things. She has a big effect on things.

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It really sounds like you might not know what irrelevant means.

Saying she's irrelevant implies nothing she does matters because it won't have an effect on anyone. At the best, she shifts the Overton window, at worst she finds a way to get legislation through that strips the rights of millions of Americans.

To say she's irrelevant means that everyone should be able to ignore her indefinitely with no consequences, and we're saying that's simply not the case.

Lets you, me, and MTG go to D.C. and vote on legislation before Congress.

Who gets to vote?

Who is irrelevant there?

MTG and you are. See how this works. This is my opinion. Learn what that means- then stop arguing with people over it.

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This woman is uglier on the inside than the outside... And that's saying something because she looks like a horse's ass.