Right-wingers claim trans women have unfair advantage in hot dog-eating contests

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Right-wingers claim trans women have unfair advantage in hot dog-eating contests
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It turned out that the male throat was just naturally more-biologically-suited to rapidly slide sausages down.

Reminds me of the old banana argument for intelligent design. It fits well in your hand, and is nicely curved for ease of consumption.

I love that argument, it tickles me every time I hear it because bananas were intelligently designed… by humans, on purpose, over thousands of years, to make them more palatable and easier to eat than their original nearly inedible form.

and they usually open the banana the hard way too

With the pop tab side?

the flower end is the easy end. just pinch and split. the stem end is a mess.

The meme I was referencing identified a banana having a "pop tab", which is in fact the difficult way to open it.

This is actually a brilliant retort to intelligent design.

BTB did an episode that covered competitive hotdog eating for those interested. IIRC the competitions were coed until a woman started doing well enough to get noticed. Sexism goes so deep, some folks just never want to see a woman beat a man in anything.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fKkXErBQSfU

So this happened in Olympic skeet shooting, it used to be coed, then in the early 90s where a women won so they split the competition moving forward into men and women.

Olympic Pistol and Rifle were split in the 80s because a women tied a man (he even won the tie breaker). In pistol and rifle the women course of fire is less than the men's so you can't directly compare them either.

Those women and their dainty fingers couldn't possibly shoot as well as us strong and powerful m-- oh

This list includes Nathan’s Famous 2021 July 4th Hot Dog Eating Contest, which occurs annually at New York’s Coney Island.

Coney Island is home to the longest running circus sideshow. The park celebrates body diversity, weirdness, and trans people. Half the performers and workers are proudly trans or NB. There really isn't a worse place for them to try to be transphobic.

(For context, I perform there. Am trans)

Coney Island is great. We went there as part of our honeymoon back in 2000 and loved it. I'm guessing the closed-down amusement park isn't there anymore. I know the overgrown wooden roller coaster burned down. Those were our favorite parts, but we also enjoyed the overall weirdness. Totally worth the very long subway ride from Brooklyn.

Edit: This was what the roller coaster looked like. Is that awesome or what?

Is that the Cyclone? If so it’s still there. I can confirm it’s super fun with just the right amount of “is this safe?”.

Is Coney Island still worth going to? I thought it got obliterated by that hurricane? My fiancee is coming from overseas soon and I want to show her America, so we'll definitely be visiting NYC.. Would you recommend visiting there while we're in the area?

Oh it's an amazing place, you should dedicate an entire day to it because there's so much to do! Be sure to stop by the sideshow at Freak Bar and say hi to all my friends! Also check out It's Sugar, the boardwalk (get lunch at Rudy's or Nathan's), the amusement parks, and the aquarium.

Thanks, that’s good to hear. I didn’t know there was anything there but an abandoned amusement park. I should go there some time

That was the old Astroland. There's two parks in operation right now, Luna Park and the Wonder Wheel park

Well that makes me regret not stopping by there when I was in the area for work. Never been to an official sideshow; only a couple unofficial ones.

Will do! I'm saving this comment so I remember the Freak Bar and Rudy's

Right wingers hate trans people and will say And do anything to hurt them, No matter how ridiculous.

Unless they're trying to bang them.

Conservatives love trans porn

I've had to argue with people who claimed trans women had an unfair advantage in professional wrestling.

Professional wrestling.

Let that sink in for a second.

Like WWE style? Where everything's made up and the points don't matter?

Exactly. Trans women apparently have an advantage in competitions that aren't even competitions now.

Those trans people have an unfair advantage in movies that they get cast in!

To a Conservative it does matter, because it threatens their worldview. Even if it's a "sport."

To be fair, you can have an argument with anyone on just about anything on the internet.

Bullshit. There's tons of topics you can't argue about and I'll be damned if I list them but you're WRONG!!!

Aren’t eating competitions coed?

I don't know, but it does look like the Guiness Book of World Records record-holder is male, so there's that. On the other hand, the record notes his wife is the world burrito champion, so...:

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/24214-most-hot-dogs-eaten-in-3-minutes

Most hot dogs eaten in three minutes

Who: Nicholas Wehry

What: 12 total number

Where: United States (Tampa)

When: 22 October 2022

The most hot dogs eaten in three minutes is 12, and was achieved by Nicholas Wehry (USA) in Tampa, Florida, USA, on 22 October 2022.

Nicholas Whery is married to fellow competitive eater Miki Sudo, who achieved the fastest time to eat a burrito on the same day.

EDIT: No, from her Wikipedia article, it sounds like they have separate men's and women's competitions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miki_Sudo

Miki Victoria Sudo (born July 23, 1985[2][3]) is an American competitive eater. She won the women's competition at the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest every year from 2014 to 2020, unseating Sonya Thomas, who had won the women's competition since its inception in 2011.

The Guiness Book of World Records apparently doesn't for that single "three minute" category, but does apparently track the per-gender winners of this Nathan's competition:

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/546576-most-hot-dogs-eaten-at-a-nathans-hot-dog-eating-contest-male

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/546693-most-hot-dogs-eaten-at-a-nathans-hot-dog-eating-contest-female

They used to be. The Major League Eating split them up a few years ago. The current women's champion, Miki Sudi, would place 6th in the men's with last year's results or 3rd in her best year. There is no reason women could not be just as competitive. Size sure as hell is not much of a factor considering former winners have been like 135 lbs.

If hot dog eating contests are this important a part of your life, you probably should reevaluate your priorities.

This will keep happening to cisgender women- they will be accused of being trans just to attack them. It's bad enough that trans women are getting attacked, but this is just widening the net.

eSports might be true because don't men have more fast twitch muscles then women?

Yes the 99.9% reaction time for men us 109 ms for women it is 121 ms. I mean as much as everyone might want to believe their are biological differences besides genatils.

Even if that's true, eSport isn't always based on reflexes (e.g. card games) and I don't know about a game that's not mixed anyway.

Age really impacts your reflexes too. Guys peak at something like late teens, early twenties. If you want to balance reflex-critical games, you'd probably need different age classes.

Honestly, though, I really feel like e-sports are still awfully immature. Last I looked, the games being played weren't really specifically designed around being a spectator sport, and I don't think that the gameplay is optimized for same.

If you look at real-life spectator sports, they do a good job of letting the spectators understand the general state of the game at a glance. They tend to have a higher-intensity lower-intensity state of the game, like a ball position on the field approaching a goal.

There's a limited amount of state that any player has. It'd be perfectly possible to have individual points of view associated with different players on a field be necessary to understand what's going on. But that doesn't happen in real-life spectator sports.

Players could have different "abilities" -- like a player could "buy" their way into being able to use their arms or something like that. But sports don't do that, whereas a number of spectator video games do.

I think that real life sports are usually more-slowly-moving than e-sports. A MOBA teamfight happens very quickly, maybe a few seconds at most, requires many people to be familiar with the characteristics and abilities of all the characters, which can have radical implications for that fight. It's hard for someone not familiar with the game to follow.

Most real-life spectator sports have one thing that one can focus on to get a pretty good idea of the critical aspects of what's going on.

I will bet that in the long run, there will be competitive video-gaming as a spectator sport. But I also think that there's going to be a lot of change from where things are today, where a lot of game elements aren't really optimized for viewing.

They don't end up even having an advantage in physical sports, I doubt they would have an advantage in something where the difference between the sexes is originally significantly smaller. Transitioning is actually completely transformative. Once the transition is complete, there is very little remaining difference. And physical sports don't let them compete until that point. It would probably be less important to not let them compete in e-sports during the transition since the starting difference is so minor, and I don't think there are many e-sports that separate the sexes anyway.

Being fast and having bad strategy is not an advantage over being slower and having good strategy.

Most eSports are about strategy over speed. And when you're talking a few milliseconds, that's not especially an issue anyway.

There are plenty of coed eSports teams that do just fine.