Krita FTW

Open Source@lemmy.ml – 701 points – 7 months ago

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Just a friendly reminder example for all those people who only ever heard of GIMP and not wanting to let go of their Adobe products because they don't like GIMP. Krita deserves more wide spread attention. https://krita.org/en/features/

Just Remember, Krita Is For Digital Painting, Not For Photo Manipulation.

Photoshop has tons of users that use it for digital painting

I think they are just trying to set expectations. A ton of people conflate digital painting and photo manipulation so if an app can’t do both like Photoshop they think it’s trash.

yeah, people bitch and moan about how gimp doesn't do exactly what photoshop is. Forgetting that they also rep about how day to day life is simply about getting shit done, and doing the next thing in life. Ignoring the fact that they can literally just do this with adobe.

It's such a weird take IMO. to sit there, and say that life is about suffering, but then the second you are presented with even a modicum of suffering, you go "no i can't, it could not possibly be done, it is simply impossible, it is merely a pipe dream" knowing that they literally hold an antithetical view point.

Humans adapt and overcome, we went from being hunter gather society, to agrarian, to industrialized and commerce based society. You're telling me you can't stop using photoshop?

Switching to another program takes time, i would recommend those people to learn the program, and gradually switch to such programs.

yeah, don't open it and expect to be immediately productive. It's just not going to happen, if you feel the need to bitch about it go complain to adobe, they're the ones creating this mess.

I'm not an adobe products user, the last time i used Photoshop was for making a Geometry Dash lile icon, and following up a tutorial, but after that, nothing, GIMP is the oldest Libre Software i know, and i am grateful for it.

GIMP is the friends we made along the way.

I agree.

Yeah that's stupid, don't expect Krita and GIMP to be Photoshop clones, they are great programs that don't need to mimic Photoshop in any way.

Besides, they are easier on resources than the goddamn photoshop.

I actually never knew this lol. Thanks for the PSA, because I was one of those people

The link quite literally says

I've never regretted replacing #GIMP with #Krita, whose brushes and built-in filters really make a difference.

I feel like I'm the only person who can't make heads or tails of Krita's interface. I can work with GIMP. I can easily find all the tools I need for simple to intermediate edits. But with Krita I find myself unable to even do simple stuff.

edits

Krita is more of a painting program.

Doesn't matter as it has functionalities for doing normal editing too.

It does, but the ui isn't really designed around that. I draw in krita and edit images in gimp. Doing it the other way would suck for both uses.

Why would it suck to edit images in Krita? It's just you are not used to. There is no other reason. I go even further and say it probably suck less to edit images in Krita versus GIMP, for general purpose. That's why I am switching to it.

Because the experience is designed around different use cases.

In Krita primary use cases are for painting and drawing so those tools and features are front and centre, easier to reach and remember.

In Gimp the focus is on editing, filtering, effects

I think you are wrong. Both tools allow for editing images in general purpose. What exactly do you even mean? The tools are there like in GIMP and as easy to reach and remember. Just because the one program has better brushes than the other does not invalidate the usage of everything else. And even if you were right, it would be helpful if someone creates tutorials like on GIMP.

I mean, you're free to continue using your crescent wrench as a hammer if you find it drives nails for you decently well and you are comfortable using it that way. But it was neither designed with that purpose in mind, nor does anyone expect you to use it that way, so no one will be writing how-to guides on it.

The comparison does not work, because I think Krita is a better general purpose editor than GIMP. You can keep declaring Krita being a hammer, but you are wrong. Krita is not a single tool, it is a set of tools that includes a hammer and a drill. While GIMP lacks the hammer and only has a drill. These metaphoric comparisons are just misleading.

The UI is not the problem in Krita (can be personalized anyway), it has more features for general purpose editing than GIMP. You just keep telling people that Krita was not designed for the task. It does not matter. Because it has the functionality and is well build for general purpose editing. You are just victim of the marketing.

Hmm, I'm not expressing my opinion, these are the statements from the creators of the tools themselves

Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting program. It is made by artists that want to see affordable art tools for everyone.

It IS a painting program, the reason why you can do a lot of the same things that you can in GIMP is because all of those features are useful in both to both painters and editors

GIMP is a multi-tool it can do illustration but it's focus is more general purpose and more on being an GNU Image Manipulation Program

Again, these are not my opinions, these are objectionable facts taken from the source.

If you disagree with these you are fine to do so, but telling people they are wrong is just ridiculous and looks wilfully ignorant or argumentative

Again, these are not my opinions, these are objectionable facts taken from the source.

Just because a statement as an objective fact, does not make it to one. If a program is suited for general purpose editing is an opinion. And what the developers say doesn't matter in this point. We have our own judgement and opinion.

If you disagree with these you are fine to do so, but telling people they are wrong is just ridiculous and looks wilfully ignorant or argumentative

But you are doing it yourself (with the argumentation it being an objective fact). So if you call people out, then don't do it yourself. If people are wrong, then I will tell them they are wrong. Krita is a better general purpose editing tool than GIMP is.

But guys like you are just repeating what others say, even if its wrong. Krita is not a painting tool, it is a tool that does painting and general purpose editing. It does not matter what you call the application and how it is marketed from the developers. It is better suited as a general editing tool than GIMP. And I use GIMP since 2008 or so.

Well you haven't convinced me

So you.

Would it be understandable to compare Gimp and Krita to Photoshop and Illustrator? If so, which is closer to which?

Not really both Krita and GIMP works mainly on raster images like Photoshop. Illustator is a vector graphic software. The closest foss relative of which would be Inkscape.

The thing is, Photoshop was born as a photo manipulation tool but the drawing functionality has become an industry standard (I think mostly because they give free licenses to students). GIMP is a photo manipulation tool and Krita is a digital painting software. They have overlap but neither of them aim at replacing Photoshop as a whole. GIMP may be the closest match. Krita is more comparable to ClipStudio or Corel painter imo.

Thank you for the insight! I rather work with logos, icons or other flat and vector drawings usually, a lot of the time upscaling or working up from zero so Krita looked rather irrelevant with how the those types of tools were not readily apparent. I'll check Inkscpae for this.

And/or Scribus. It can also import .ai files, sometimes even to something recognizable.

Sorry, but NO. Scribus is a page layout app. It is not intended for image creation/manipulation. That is truly using a shoe for hammer, or a hammer for a screwdriver or a screwdriver for a butter knife.

You can use Word for page layout or image manipulation too. Again, screwdriver for a butter knife. Right tool for the job and all.

You're right. I think I was confusing it with InDesign.

Illustrator was once more like FontForge + Inkscape. I haven't used any recent versions though.

Some of David's tutorials will help ? https://www.davidrevoy.com/categorie3/tutorials-brushes-extras or https://www.davidrevoy.com/static5/table-of-content

He is super focused on drawing, not editing screenshots, 8-bit pixel artwork or photos in example.

Krita is a drawing-first program, so this makes sense.

No, Krita has general purpose editing functionality too. It's the other way around, the guy is drawing first, not the application. I am in the process of switching my general purpose image editor GIMP with Krita.

Yep. I just grew up with Gimp. I've used Krita a few times and might get used to it if I use it some more, but GIMP is forever my goto raster paint program

You are not the only one. I'm so used to GIMP, its hard to get used to Krita. It's installed and I try it from time to time. Besides the horrendous text editing tool of Krita, it has features that are worth learning and getting used to. I think it will take time before we are used to it.

People say that GIMP has bad UI, but this could be said about Krita too. Basically any new complex tool has bad UI, because its new...

I feel like I’m the only person who can’t make heads or tails of

It doesn't matter if you get the result you want. The important thing is you have choice and that what you have chosen ... works!

Small mention for Darktable as an alternative to Lightroom.

indeed, darktable is awesome!

Or Inkscape as an alternative to Adobe Illustrator/ Corel Draw/ vectorial design. (The KDE alt would be Karbon, I haven't tried it tho.)

I remember when Photoshop was just that program you used to take aa picture of a boat and a picture of a road and combine them to make a boat sailing through concrete, then you show it to mom and she goes "oh that's meet sweetie" then you show it to grandpa and he gets all like "HOLY FUCK THATS AMAZING!!!"

Now when people make amazing artwork on one software but then somehow can't find the equivalency or accept the different scope on others and give them bad reviews

I really like krita though and I use it with one of the cheaper huion tablets for when I want to draw dumb shit like genetalia monsters or ideas for welding projects.

There's an android version too, for any non-apple tableteers.

Yes, good call. On F-Droid too : https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.krita/

Yes, but it's not fully optimized for android

I found it kinda weird that the page this link opens on makes it look kinda like a closed source freemium thing, and (on mobile) I had to dig a fair bit to see that it's actually FOSS and an official part of the KDE project.

I run KDE as my daily driver, and hadn't heard of Krita before; so yeah, I guess it could use a bit more exposure.

Been using Krita for a long while, and I love it. Fantastic alternative to Photoshop and other art programs and image editors.

Thanks I haven't seen it but GIMP just makes me frustrated. Great for what it is but not intuitive for me.

Next GIMP 3.0 release has huge update to its UI and function. You should check it out.

Oh very cool. I will.

If I’m coming from Adobe, how much will I be missing?

(This looks awesome btw, I’m just trying to be informed)

CMYK color space for printing.

Unless you're talking artwork for professional print shops, people have been printing out RGB pictures for decades. Otherwise, imagemagick will convert the files for you in a single command (note that this solution has also been available for at least 12 years). All you need is the ICC profiles.

Heck, any print company worth their salt will convert the colour space of your file(s) for a fee if all else fails.

Amazon's printers often print awful-looking stuff when I use RGB. I'll check out the cmyk converter, but the Affinity suite let's me actually edit in CMYK color space, not just output.

It you use Affinity on Windows, you may be interested in this: https://github.com/lf-/affinity-crimes

Thanks, this is a good idea. I currently have a 2nd laptop specifically for using Windows apps, and I'll stick with that. There are also VSTs that only work in windows, and I'm not bending over backwards to make all this windows stuff work in Linux.

I use Linux for writing software, and most of my PC needs actually. But having Windows on a 2nd machine is very, very useful presently.

Adjustment layers for gimp, and not all photo tools there for krita.

Krita is not for photo manipulation, just for digital painting

remember that

krita is also used for image manipulation by many in the linux community, people who don't like the gimp ui. That doesn't mean it was meant for that, but the reality is what it is.

I never understood the UI part, i never had issues with it.

GIMP is very different, but Krita is quite similar. Pretty sure you won't miss much. However, I am not an advanced user, so, I cannot say for certain. Also, some shortcuts are different. But do try Krita. It is awesome.

I struggle to use krita and the basic functions are a bit annoying. I find myself having to look up things a lot when I try to use it.

That's how I feel with Photoshop. I grew up with fireworks and still to this day I miss the workflow fireworks allowed. I've never found an exact replacement for it. It was easier for me to completely soft too a new paradigm and use inkscape, than it was to use Photoshop. I've not tried krita yet though but I'm less of a "drawer", at least at the moment anyway.

Gimp works great for me. The only thing it's lacking is CMYK editing, and Krita also doesn't have that. I have to do my graphics editing on Windows.

You probably already looked into the Separate+ plugin? But yeah, even now native CMYK support is lacking because — chicken, meet egg — there hasn't been a lot of support from the graphics industries toward development of that feature.

I thought Krita was more popular than Gimp