Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani and Arizona 'fake electors' charged with state crimes

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Trump’s 2020 'fake electors' charged with state crimes in Arizona
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Man, it sure would be nice if the person who orchestrated all this would face some sort of repercussions

There's a theory that they're working towards that. Convict the small fish while gathering evidence and establishing the truth. Maybe even get some to turn and inform. You don't shoot at the king and miss.

3.5 years just to indict the small fries, let alone convict before going after the big fish. Trump is going to be dead before consequences from Arizona land on him.

Well yes, but also Arizona's current attorney general was only sworn in at the beginning of last year after her predecessor wasn't really interested in following up on this.

Yeah, that argument may have worked 1 or 2 years ago, but the thing is that there is a deadline for nailing him. If he gets reelected then that ship has sailed.

He won't get reelected, period.

Do people forget that he fucking lost the election while being a sitting president?

While I sure hope you are right, I fear that he just might get reelected (by the EC, anyway).

It took awhile to get Copone and that was just on taxes. These sorts of cases take awhile to build up even when they are going fast. luckily they tend to be exponential after awhile so we may see some speed up eventually.

Seems like a problem when you can't prosecute people for trying to steal an election within an election cycle. It seems absolutely batshit to me that they're going to be allowed to participate in a democracy that they tried to overthrow. It's one thing telling people to get out there and vote against them, but these treasonous fuckers cheated last time and they're going to do it again.

It’s been so damn long, I was starting to wonder if what they did wasn’t technically a crime, for some weird reason you’d have to be a legal expert to understand.

They don't come after you until they have an airtight case. They do now, and they have them admitting to it on tape that they themselves made, lol

Supreme Court will interpret the constitution in their favour

Yup. It'll be delayed and appealed into the ground. They operate in a different legal system than you and I

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The technicality is the large cult following, shitloads of money, and regulatory capture.

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This is still unacceptable. How fucking long are we letting these traitors roam free?

Building a solid case takes time. You don't want them to win. You don't want them to go free on appeal. You want it done right. NAL, just relaying context someone else pointed out to me when I had the same complaint.

You know what happens when you attack every other head than the immortal one on a Hydra? They grow back.

All charges that have been filed include felony counts of fraud, forgery, and conspiracy.

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The state Republican Party documented the signing of the certificate in a social media post and sent it to Congress and the National Archives.

Send the elector choice back to the legislatures.” Ward was a consistent propagator of false claims that Arizona’s election results were rigged.

Others charged include: state legislators Anthony Kern and Jake Hoffman; Michael Ward, Kelli Ward’s husband; Tyler Bowyer, the RNC’s Arizona committeeman and the chief operating officer of the Trump-aligned Turning Point USA; Greg Safsten, the former Arizona GOP executive director; former U.S. Senate candidate Jim Lamon; Robert Montgomery, the former head of the Cochise County GOP; and Republican Party activists Samuel Moorhead, Nancy Cottle and Loraine Pellegrino.

The Arizona charges are the latest example of Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election sprouting into legal cases during his 2024 bid to retake office.

Attorney Kenneth Chesebro, one of the planners of the alleged scheme, pled guilty last year in Georgia on conspiracy charges brought against him, Trump and 17 others in the state.

He is also believed to be one of the unidentified co-conspirators described by Special Counsel Jack Smith in his federal election interference indictment of Trump last year.


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Specifying the party of the attorney general is irrelevant to serving justice. The piece is written solely for more clicks from conservative outrage over the "liberal conspiracy". Bad NBC, bad!

I'm sure these fake electors and their whining apologists will whine about how it's all so unfair. They should be glad they are not in front of a firing squad for what they tried to do.

If this had been done 2 years ago, it wouldn't be the mess it is now. Why the fuck did it take this long to get after it?

When Giuliani was Mayor, he boasted of having homeless beggars arrested. I am happy that he's getting a taste of his own medicine

Too bad Trump is an "unindicted co-conspirator"