I still want to know how an NDA that says you can't talk to law enforcement is (a) allowed, and (b) enforceable. If I were an investigator and heard about that, I'd want to know exactly what the company needed to hide so badly that they had to add that clause in.
And I said this in another post, but if you are ever asked to sign an NDA that says you can't cooperate with law enforcement, hand in your resignation and seek legal counsel. They're not asking you to sign it to protect you. They're asking you to sign it so when shit hits the fan (and it WILL hit the fan), you'll be the lackey who's stuck falling on their sword unless you want to be subject to a penalty that far exceeds what you were offered when you signed the NDA in the first place.
If they're saying "Here's a shitload of money, don't talk to the cops.", there's a reason for that. And it's probably not going to end well for you.
if you are ever asked to sign an NDA that says you can't cooperate with law enforcement
i don't think this is even enforceable
an nda is enforced by the justice system it's not going to enforce it against itself
I think the NDA could restrict you from talking to law enforcement about what you had for breakfast and probably be enforceable but contracts can't be enforced if they'd require you to commit crimes or prevent you from reporting crimes.
The NDA was apparently against voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. Essentially, it was agreeing to only cooperate to the extent required by law.
That's still bad, but wouldn't overtly compel someone to commit a crime. It's just heavily implying that crimes are being committed and could easily push someone to do something illegal simply to cover their own ass.
Sure, but all voluntary cooperation with law enforcement would still be allowed under that NDA. The NDA itself might be legal to ask someone to sign, but you can never restrict someone's right to report criminal activity (you're also never punished for choosing not to report criminal activity, but the right to report is inalienable).
Legal agreements frequently include unenforceable bullshit. For instance a contract may include a phrase like "Either party may consult a lawyer if they surrender 300$ to the other party" you can put that in a contract and someone might pay you 300$... but the ability to consult a lawyer is inalienable so you could also consult a lawyer and refuse to pay the 300$ and they'd have no recourse to force payment.
The TL;DR is that we let bad faith lawyers get away with writing extremely unfair contracts that pressure people to do something without actually having the backing of the law. If people challenge it they'll win - but we've gotten really lax and don't actually punish the contract authors so a lot of folks just write bullshit into contracts that'd never hold up in court in the hope that people just blindly obey it.
And the TL;DR TL;DR (yes, I do in fact have ADHD, how could you tell) is...
Always talk to a fucking lawyer.
an nda is enforced by the justice system it's not going to enforce it against itself
It's not that simple. There are two main components to the legal system, civil and criminal. Civil is between two private parties (people, companies, and sometimes the government) for disputes with contracts and such. Criminal law is when the government brings changes against you for breaking the law.
Generally law enforcement ("the justice system") works on the criminal side of things. It doesn't really care about a contract between two people if something illegal is happening. Can you imagine the loopholes that could create in organized crime if you just had to write a contract and you couldn't use an otherwise willing accomplice as a witness?
This is why criminal conduct automatically voids NDAs. You can sign it all day long. If you get called as a witness in a criminal trial, they can't do shit about it.
What about before the trial, you know, like during the investigation that has to happen before a trial can be called?
Doesn't matter. Once the cops are talking to you about it the NDA is done.
Bingo, severability is the name of the game.
But also: fuck the police; don't talk to the police; lawyer up.
It's not even an allegation at this point, people are fucking bragging about it. Like this is the ONE TIME he pays people for work, and it's for lying. Totally on brand.
Campaign funds paid them, not him personally. Although he's surely grifting off the campaign and no doubt considers all that money his own.
Isn't that more of the same crime the trial was about?
Yes. These bribes are something he would have done independently of the campaign so using campaign funds is a campaign finance violation AFAICT. I am not a lawyer.
I'm surprised he didn't stiff them.
Lol underrated.
Lock him up!
Grift, spend, repeat.
Is this new on top for his already on going legal issues?
Oh no! We might think about scheduling a meeting to convene a council to possibly select a grand jury in five years!
Ew wtf is that thumbnail get it away
The LEFT and DEMOCRATS be like: "Trump is running again, let's do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to disrupt his campaigning!!!
Correct. You wouldn't want a convicted felon as president, would you?
Man, you're not even hiding the fact that you're a Russian troll, or at least a very, very bad actor. Just no tact huh?
Well, yes. And explain to me again how democrats are involved in the DOJ and Justice system pursuing crimes, crimes that trump and his ilk have absolutely committed? Crimes that are mob-like, for a convicted felon, and twice impeached embarrassment of a fucking president.
Even though Democrats aren't even involved here, I'd want them to be. I want everyone to be. Fuck trump, fuck that lying piece of shit ex-president crime lord. What a fucking scumbag.
He's the god damn most miserable fucking train you could have ever fucking attached your worthless goddamn life to you absolute piece of shit fascist supporting Russian loving dickhead.
I still want to know how an NDA that says you can't talk to law enforcement is (a) allowed, and (b) enforceable. If I were an investigator and heard about that, I'd want to know exactly what the company needed to hide so badly that they had to add that clause in.
And I said this in another post, but if you are ever asked to sign an NDA that says you can't cooperate with law enforcement, hand in your resignation and seek legal counsel. They're not asking you to sign it to protect you. They're asking you to sign it so when shit hits the fan (and it WILL hit the fan), you'll be the lackey who's stuck falling on their sword unless you want to be subject to a penalty that far exceeds what you were offered when you signed the NDA in the first place.
If they're saying "Here's a shitload of money, don't talk to the cops.", there's a reason for that. And it's probably not going to end well for you.
i don't think this is even enforceable
an nda is enforced by the justice system it's not going to enforce it against itself
I think the NDA could restrict you from talking to law enforcement about what you had for breakfast and probably be enforceable but contracts can't be enforced if they'd require you to commit crimes or prevent you from reporting crimes.
The NDA was apparently against voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. Essentially, it was agreeing to only cooperate to the extent required by law.
That's still bad, but wouldn't overtly compel someone to commit a crime. It's just heavily implying that crimes are being committed and could easily push someone to do something illegal simply to cover their own ass.
Sure, but all voluntary cooperation with law enforcement would still be allowed under that NDA. The NDA itself might be legal to ask someone to sign, but you can never restrict someone's right to report criminal activity (you're also never punished for choosing not to report criminal activity, but the right to report is inalienable).
Legal agreements frequently include unenforceable bullshit. For instance a contract may include a phrase like "Either party may consult a lawyer if they surrender 300$ to the other party" you can put that in a contract and someone might pay you 300$... but the ability to consult a lawyer is inalienable so you could also consult a lawyer and refuse to pay the 300$ and they'd have no recourse to force payment.
The TL;DR is that we let bad faith lawyers get away with writing extremely unfair contracts that pressure people to do something without actually having the backing of the law. If people challenge it they'll win - but we've gotten really lax and don't actually punish the contract authors so a lot of folks just write bullshit into contracts that'd never hold up in court in the hope that people just blindly obey it.
And the TL;DR TL;DR (yes, I do in fact have ADHD, how could you tell) is...
Always talk to a fucking lawyer.
It's not that simple. There are two main components to the legal system, civil and criminal. Civil is between two private parties (people, companies, and sometimes the government) for disputes with contracts and such. Criminal law is when the government brings changes against you for breaking the law.
Generally law enforcement ("the justice system") works on the criminal side of things. It doesn't really care about a contract between two people if something illegal is happening. Can you imagine the loopholes that could create in organized crime if you just had to write a contract and you couldn't use an otherwise willing accomplice as a witness?
This is why criminal conduct automatically voids NDAs. You can sign it all day long. If you get called as a witness in a criminal trial, they can't do shit about it.
What about before the trial, you know, like during the investigation that has to happen before a trial can be called?
Doesn't matter. Once the cops are talking to you about it the NDA is done.
Bingo, severability is the name of the game.
But also: fuck the police; don't talk to the police; lawyer up.
It's not even an allegation at this point, people are fucking bragging about it. Like this is the ONE TIME he pays people for work, and it's for lying. Totally on brand.
Campaign funds paid them, not him personally. Although he's surely grifting off the campaign and no doubt considers all that money his own.
Isn't that more of the same crime the trial was about?
Yes. These bribes are something he would have done independently of the campaign so using campaign funds is a campaign finance violation AFAICT. I am not a lawyer.
I'm surprised he didn't stiff them.
Lol underrated.
Lock him up!
Grift, spend, repeat.
Is this new on top for his already on going legal issues?
Oh no! We might think about scheduling a meeting to convene a council to possibly select a grand jury in five years!
Ew wtf is that thumbnail get it away
The LEFT and DEMOCRATS be like: "Trump is running again, let's do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to disrupt his campaigning!!!
Correct. You wouldn't want a convicted felon as president, would you?
Man, you're not even hiding the fact that you're a Russian troll, or at least a very, very bad actor. Just no tact huh?
Well, yes. And explain to me again how democrats are involved in the DOJ and Justice system pursuing crimes, crimes that trump and his ilk have absolutely committed? Crimes that are mob-like, for a convicted felon, and twice impeached embarrassment of a fucking president.
Even though Democrats aren't even involved here, I'd want them to be. I want everyone to be. Fuck trump, fuck that lying piece of shit ex-president crime lord. What a fucking scumbag.
He's the god damn most miserable fucking train you could have ever fucking attached your worthless goddamn life to you absolute piece of shit fascist supporting Russian loving dickhead.