No nation can call itself civilized that still uses the death penalty.
They won't be getting my tourist dollars.
You're not missing much. It's a soulless place, not to mention remarkably racist. Sure it's clean and safe, but there's no vibrancy. I live in South America, in a city that's considered dangerous by world standards, but I walk out my door and there's music and life.. the city buzzes. Some people like living in a sterile bubble I guess but not me.
Hablas español? Cuales tu ciudad?
Me defiende jeje. Mi compañera es Colombiana y vivimos en Medellín. Y tú ¿de dónde eres?
Pensé que fue Colombia jaja, sí Medellín tiene el estereotipo de peligrosidad.
Soy Kiwi, vivo en Nueva Zelanda, pero puedo hablar un poco español.
Ustedes tienen eso góndola sí? Y las favelas lleno de color?
Así es .. Medellín se llama la ciudad de la eterna primavera, y cuenta con metrocable que sube a los barrios populares. El metro ha sido un gran éxito para la ciudad, es limpio y eficiente y todos aquí son orgullosos de tenerlo.
He ido a Australia varios veces pero nunca a Nuevo Zelanda.. queiro ir. Toda la gente que je encontrado de allá es simpática y alegre. He leído mucho de allá, que es un país con mucha diversidad geográfica y de clima, como Colombia. Con las tierras altas y un clima suave ustedes pueden cultivar café imagino. Y sé que es un país muy tranquilo y seguro. Ojalá que llega el día cuando Colombia tiene paz también, y menos desigualdad. Espero que tengas la oportunidad a visitar.. seguro que te vas a disfrutar.
Well… Singapore is trying to use it for like everything
No they are not they use it for drug trafficking and murder cases. That doesn't mean I approve of it, I deplore it.
They also jail people for chewing a gum, your argument is invalid.
That's not the death penalty and they didn't make an argument. They were stating a fact.
That was half-joke, half-reminder of how fucked up the country is. But whatever.
IMO as an outsider Singapore is less fucked up than America. It's got some rough edges for sure though lol.
Not sure where you got this from, but this isn't true. Chewing gum is NOT illegal in Singapore; you can keep them for your own consumption. You just cannot sell chewing gum in Singapore.
Yeah they hang you for lollygagging.
Getting high on that moral ground buddy?
Most people would rather be hanged than go to prison if they truly knew what was being done behind closed doors in the name of being humane.
Some crimes are so heinous and intrinsically evil that I believe we as society shouldn't take the burden of keeping those people alive just for the sake of it. I believe that in those very limited cases, death penalty should be allowed.
The problem is that you will 100% kill innocent people. And there is no way to reverse it later on...
The state always hurts innocent people regardless, so ultimately better to just kill them than to subject them to the horrors of prison and act like that's okay simply because they're alive.
Personally, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make and I unironically would feel safer from my own government knowing the worst that'll happen is a mere hanging compared to the enslavement, torture and rape, for decades, flung onto innocents in the name of being humane.
Yeah, that's how it is on every side of the issue. I'm just honest about it
and if it was you who was being executed for something you didn't do?
I would be grateful it was only a noose and not decades of rape, torture, and enslavement. That's literally why I believe it. Specifically because I don't want to be falsely imprisoned, and if you actually empathized, you'd feel the same way.
These process go through lengthy trials
Which works great, look at Texas which is very careful to check exactly how brown you are before execution.
The systems are corrupted because the people who run the systems are people.
And still, there are a lot innocent people killed
If it's allowed there will be mistakes, innocent people will be killed.
And it will be abused.
Mistakes happen, get over it
Admitting that mistakes can happen is a strong argument against the death penalty.
You can't "get over" or "fix" death.
This should only be used for cases where there is 100% of evidence that the person is guilty (eg: tool box killers, Breivik, mass murderers, etc)
Except Singapore has used it plenty of times with flimsy evidence.
I agree death penality itself has its uses e.g. prosecution of war criminals, rebel leaders, druglords and I think corrupt officials in some cases. It should be applied to those who despite being behind bars would continue to influence outside causing more death or downfall of a nation if they remain alive. Though for this case just for carrying heroine I don't think that should be a death sentence it is just stupid an outdated way of control. Though problem with death sentence sometimes it becomes a hammer and when it becomes a hammer everything becomes a nail. It should only be a last resort.
Fuck the "war on drugs". All the things cited to justify drug prohibition are actually caused by the prohibition, not the drugs themselves.
Sure, but it's hardly worth killing them.
Drug dealers lead to murderers. Fool do whatever to protect income, mainstream or street.
Fuck around and found out.
People are acting like Singapore isn't notorious for its draconian drug laws. So knowing full well that they WILL use the death penalty on drug cases, people still do it. OK, then you just showed either how stupid you are or how little regard you have for your own life if you deal with drugs there. Zero sympathy for these people.
This is a desperate person taking a risk, not a pedo or a serial killer
Tough shit. Your stupid momentary high is worth your life, then you just found out what can happen in a country like Singapore.
Really just as simple as 'just don't break the law'.
While there is a case to be made whether the death penalty is justified, the law was written and the offender should be aware of what happens if they're caught. Since they broke the law and got caught, they don't have much of a defence against the punishment. Applies to any country, not just Singapore.
Why is it the first woman executed in 20 years instead of person?
Because they have executed a bunch of men in the previous years. This is just the first woman.
Then why is this important?
Because despite all the gender equality movements etc etc we still naturally value women more than men.
No nation can call itself civilized that still uses the death penalty.
They won't be getting my tourist dollars.
You're not missing much. It's a soulless place, not to mention remarkably racist. Sure it's clean and safe, but there's no vibrancy. I live in South America, in a city that's considered dangerous by world standards, but I walk out my door and there's music and life.. the city buzzes. Some people like living in a sterile bubble I guess but not me.
Hablas español? Cuales tu ciudad?
Me defiende jeje. Mi compañera es Colombiana y vivimos en Medellín. Y tú ¿de dónde eres?
Pensé que fue Colombia jaja, sí Medellín tiene el estereotipo de peligrosidad.
Soy Kiwi, vivo en Nueva Zelanda, pero puedo hablar un poco español.
Ustedes tienen eso góndola sí? Y las favelas lleno de color?
Así es .. Medellín se llama la ciudad de la eterna primavera, y cuenta con metrocable que sube a los barrios populares. El metro ha sido un gran éxito para la ciudad, es limpio y eficiente y todos aquí son orgullosos de tenerlo.
He ido a Australia varios veces pero nunca a Nuevo Zelanda.. queiro ir. Toda la gente que je encontrado de allá es simpática y alegre. He leído mucho de allá, que es un país con mucha diversidad geográfica y de clima, como Colombia. Con las tierras altas y un clima suave ustedes pueden cultivar café imagino. Y sé que es un país muy tranquilo y seguro. Ojalá que llega el día cuando Colombia tiene paz también, y menos desigualdad. Espero que tengas la oportunidad a visitar.. seguro que te vas a disfrutar.
Well… Singapore is trying to use it for like everything
Edit: for the downvoters, I have a fascinating read for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole
No they are not they use it for drug trafficking and murder cases. That doesn't mean I approve of it, I deplore it.
They also jail people for chewing a gum, your argument is invalid.
That's not the death penalty and they didn't make an argument. They were stating a fact.
That was half-joke, half-reminder of how fucked up the country is. But whatever.
IMO as an outsider Singapore is less fucked up than America. It's got some rough edges for sure though lol.
Not sure where you got this from, but this isn't true. Chewing gum is NOT illegal in Singapore; you can keep them for your own consumption. You just cannot sell chewing gum in Singapore.
Yeah they hang you for lollygagging.
Getting high on that moral ground buddy?
Most people would rather be hanged than go to prison if they truly knew what was being done behind closed doors in the name of being humane.
Some crimes are so heinous and intrinsically evil that I believe we as society shouldn't take the burden of keeping those people alive just for the sake of it. I believe that in those very limited cases, death penalty should be allowed.
The problem is that you will 100% kill innocent people. And there is no way to reverse it later on...
something like 5% of american executions are of innocent people. Disgusting. https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence/innocence-by-the-numbers
The state always hurts innocent people regardless, so ultimately better to just kill them than to subject them to the horrors of prison and act like that's okay simply because they're alive.
Personally, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make and I unironically would feel safer from my own government knowing the worst that'll happen is a mere hanging compared to the enslavement, torture and rape, for decades, flung onto innocents in the name of being humane.
Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make
Yeah, that's how it is on every side of the issue. I'm just honest about it
and if it was you who was being executed for something you didn't do?
I would be grateful it was only a noose and not decades of rape, torture, and enslavement. That's literally why I believe it. Specifically because I don't want to be falsely imprisoned, and if you actually empathized, you'd feel the same way.
These process go through lengthy trials
Which works great, look at Texas which is very careful to check exactly how brown you are before execution.
The systems are corrupted because the people who run the systems are people.
And still, there are a lot innocent people killed
If it's allowed there will be mistakes, innocent people will be killed.
And it will be abused.
Mistakes happen, get over it
Admitting that mistakes can happen is a strong argument against the death penalty. You can't "get over" or "fix" death.
This should only be used for cases where there is 100% of evidence that the person is guilty (eg: tool box killers, Breivik, mass murderers, etc)
Except Singapore has used it plenty of times with flimsy evidence.
I agree death penality itself has its uses e.g. prosecution of war criminals, rebel leaders, druglords and I think corrupt officials in some cases. It should be applied to those who despite being behind bars would continue to influence outside causing more death or downfall of a nation if they remain alive. Though for this case just for carrying heroine I don't think that should be a death sentence it is just stupid an outdated way of control. Though problem with death sentence sometimes it becomes a hammer and when it becomes a hammer everything becomes a nail. It should only be a last resort.
Funny how Singaporean media is remaining quiet about this
Isn't that pretty common there?
I don't know how free their press is over there
It isn't free at all
That makes sense
Edit: holy fuck Vietnam is even worse
Singapore: Still got it!
Stunning and brave.
So how much did she actually traffic?
Fuck drug dealers.
Fuck the "war on drugs". All the things cited to justify drug prohibition are actually caused by the prohibition, not the drugs themselves.
Sure, but it's hardly worth killing them.
Drug dealers lead to murderers. Fool do whatever to protect income, mainstream or street.
Fuck around and found out.
People are acting like Singapore isn't notorious for its draconian drug laws. So knowing full well that they WILL use the death penalty on drug cases, people still do it. OK, then you just showed either how stupid you are or how little regard you have for your own life if you deal with drugs there. Zero sympathy for these people.
This is a desperate person taking a risk, not a pedo or a serial killer
Tough shit. Your stupid momentary high is worth your life, then you just found out what can happen in a country like Singapore.
Really just as simple as 'just don't break the law'.
While there is a case to be made whether the death penalty is justified, the law was written and the offender should be aware of what happens if they're caught. Since they broke the law and got caught, they don't have much of a defence against the punishment. Applies to any country, not just Singapore.
Why is it the first woman executed in 20 years instead of person?
Because they have executed a bunch of men in the previous years. This is just the first woman.
Then why is this important?
Because despite all the gender equality movements etc etc we still naturally value women more than men.
"Sexism/Man-hate"