Every election is the most important election of our lifetimes, since the right keeps becoming more fascist. No shit, it's exhausting.
In the most recent 538 poll, Robinson is up by 4 points, and this was taken before the debate, which means the gap may’ve widened.
If you’re in NC, or have family/friends there, please tell them to vote and not for this loon
Vive la révolution.
Don't worry. I voted for not Trump. I'm sure that'll take care of everything. We'll wait for a more convenient time and means to begin meaningful change. Trust us. We moderates have been at it for forty years.
That is a stupid take, but it does leave me curious. I can see where your chain of logic lies (let's all vote for Bernie and solve all the problems tomorrow), but the disconnect from idilic fantasy and reality seems to have you hung up a bit. While the tongue-in-cheek Bernie comment would be kinda neat to bring about, you can not realistically shift an entire voting base overnight. You, and others on here are more in tuned to the political goings on than a horrific percent of the actual voting population. I talk politics more than anyone is comfortable with (it IS that important...sorry folks), and I very consistently come across people that don't know what left and right is, don't know what conservative and liberal is, don't know which of the latter is described by the former, don't know the difference between economic policy and social or political policy.
So we come back to your take. Yeah, shit has to change, but we have a slim chance of getting systems in place to cause real change under one guy and authoritarian endgame under the other.
THIS election's loss carries unacceptable loss conditions. When we are voting between a Clinton and a Bush, then push your agenda because the loss conditions there is just having someone disagreeable in power maintaining THEIR version of the status quo...not ideal, but much safer.
Convincing fence-sitters that lean blue (the kind that would care about the genocide happening) to not vote or to vote 3rd party gives the guy that will make everything worse a better chance. Ultimately if you don't vote for one of the two people our current system allows, you are casting a vote for whoever happens to win, mathematically.
Your idea is a Prisoner's Dilemma, and in the real world, we absolutely can not trust that the other 80million prisoners will all play their part. Sorry.
That is a stupid take
Take it up with MLK.
I can see where your chain of logic lies
Incredible feat considering you didn't ask me shit.
I assumed the rest continued in ignorance and bad faith.
MLK is dead so I cant.
seeing logic has nothing to do with asking things.
Probably best you avoided the rest, you clearly have a fear of leaving your little silo.
Grow up.
They're intentionally trying to get people to not vote. They're not like your and me, they're a bad actor. Don't feed them.
I'll wait out in the field, massa. Please let me know when it's convenient for you that I fight for my freedom, massa. Thank you for voting Biden, massa. He'll make everything right for us slaves.
As a leftist I'm about done listening to constant bloody threats from MAGA people.
If MAGA are going to say "If leftist don't get in the way there will be no blood" then I'm here to say that there will be blood.
I’d love to confront an otherwise normal, conventionally Republican voter who is planning to vote for this shit. I’m sure some of my coworkers or neighbors or acquaintances fall into this category. However, I see no outward projection about their support of this garbage. I assume that they must be ashamed to advertise what garbage views they have or at the very least have no confidence that they could defend such positions when confronted. Again, I’m just assuming their presence in my immediate social vicinity given all the polling. I of course can see the nut job on the corner with adrenachrome signs, but that asshole isn’t representative of most Republicans. Fucking cowards, the lot of them. Ignorant, self-hating cowards.
"I just agree with their fiscal policies and think abortion is murder, I don't like the other stuff, but most of it's just harmless (to me.)"
Oh, there's no way he said it
Ok, I guess he did but it's taken out of context
Looks like it's not taken out of context but it was one time when they got excited
Ok, there's a history of this kind of rhetoric
Well, no one really believes that stuff
Ok, this really is a popular opinion
I just want lower taxes
but most of it's just harmless (to me.) ... for now.
Projection is a hell of a drug.
Ugh, saw the headline and knew it was my state. Our current Dem Gov is term limited. This Robinson asshat is so very embarrassing and scary like a drunk bear with brain damage.
NC is so gerrymandered we are painted red, but I think Gov is based on popular vote so there is still some hope for Stein for next Gov and Jackson for next AG.
Also, Cotham can suck it for getting voted in as a Democrat then switching parties within months in a very very blue district. She ran on protecting abortion rights then voted to ban it after joining the Republican party.
We are potentially very very up a nasty creek without paddles here, even in the blue places.
They should have to post the Ten Commandments in that church
I agree.
Species would be far better off without people like him in it.
Someone needs to take him aside and politely explain that calling for violence is not going to work out the way he thinks it will work out.
It might work out the way he things it will though - namely with him being elected. Doubt he cares beyond that.
Neat, let's do a comparison. Does anyone have a list of Homosexual pedophiles, religious pedophiles, and politician pedophiles? I am super curious how INCONCEIVABLY different those graphs are. I couldn't even venture a guess on what the outcome could even look like! /s
These asshats are unhinged and un-American.
Meanwhile, Biden kills a child in Gaza every fifteen minutes. Liberals are silent.
No, the libs aren't silent and have acknowledged their disdain. Also different situation
Let's try to stay on topic though. Is that difficult for you? Maybe we should bring up how Trump wanted internment camps and discussed this with Xi, or Trump wanting to use the army to shoot protestors? No?
How are US prisons different from concentration camps?
We get it you're 14 and super edgy.
I’m 36 and my political views are normal outside of nazi countries like the USA.
If Trump wins, you are about to find out.
Project 2025
Which actually began in 1492 for everyone in amerikkka who isn’t rich and/or wh*te.
So what's your plan?
Probably to "both sides " the shit out of the internet for pennies
To not vote for either nazi. You probably don’t live in a swing state so your vote doesn’t matter anyway, all thanks to the amazing electoral college that the democrats never even mention abolishing despite losing the 2000 and 2016 presidential elections because of it.
That not a plan. It really easy to criticize from the outside instead of doing anything. You're doing less than anything.
I’m currently annoying nazis. Do you live in a swing state?
I’m currently annoying nazis.
So nothing. This isn't directed at you, but I'm getting really tired of so many on the left bitching about everything, but not offering any viable alternatives. People don't want to get their hands dirty in the trenches.
Reminds me of a Teddy Roosevelt quote:
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”
But, feel free to dismiss this wholesale since he was a bad person (probably).
Dude if you like teddy roosevelt quotes, you’re going to love all the horrible shit he said about Native Americans. His family also got their start by selling drugs to China.
This isn’t directed at you, but I’m getting really tired of so many on the left bitching about everything, but not offering any viable alternatives.
The only viable thing to do is to vote for genocide and make excuses for it.
Or you could not vote and get more genocide in a variety of flavors! Hey when we're all dead, at least you'll finally stop complaining.
Just because something is shitty doesn't mean you should compare it to the shittiest extreme example you can think of. There are degrees of shitty.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain how they are different.
That's because you're oblivious. Everyone in prison in America had a right to counsel, a fair trial, to face accusers, to cross examine witnesses and evidence, to have disputed facts decided by a jury of peers, a presumption of innocence, freedom from self incrimination, spousal privilege, oh and habeas corpus.
To name a few.
Imagine thinking that a billionaire and a homeless person are treated equally under amerikkkan law. Amazingly, profoundly racist of you to believe this when the pigs murder three people every day here. How many of them are rich?
Yes, the pigs murder people sometimes.
And obviously that's the same as forced relocations to industrialized murder camps with zero due process, you absolute donkey.
Imagine excusing any of that. What if they had murdered your kids?
Know nothing.
3 day old russian troll, it's fun to spot them in the wild like this
Hillary would have won if not for the electoral college. Why aren’t the Democrats trying to abolish it?
Biden is not pulling the trigger or ordering any Israeli troops to pull the trigger. What is going on there is completely outside his control.
Why does Israeli leadership keep saying that the war ends the instant amerikkka stops shipping them weapons?
Because they're lying. They have had just over $300 Billion dollars in support from the US over the years, they have enough money to keep the war going until everyone is dead.
Ending U.S. military aid today “would send a message to all of Israel’s enemies that Israel’s greatest friend was stepping away, so they should double down on their plans for more, and more deadly, assaults on the Jewish state,” wrote CFR Senior Fellow Elliott Abrams in September 2023.
— your source (Abrams is also a convicted war criminal and Trump/Biden appointee)
These constraints explain why, in January 2023, the administration asked Israel to transfer 300,000 artillery shells from American stockpiles located in Israel to Ukraine. Of course, Israel herself now needs those stocks. Not to mention Tamir interceptors for Iron Dome, which are also manufactured in small quantities in the US, bombs, and spare parts for aircraft, tank shells, and so on. One does not need a security clearance to conclude that Israel’s military dependence on the United States is nearly absolute.
I thought bots were better more advanced...what kind of blinders do you use to think liberals are silent? The loudest , most passionate, and least in touch with reality are very actively trying to lose the election to show how much they don't like genocide. It's everywhere.
For fucks sake, I’m so tired of this shit
Every election is the most important election of our lifetimes, since the right keeps becoming more fascist. No shit, it's exhausting.
In the most recent 538 poll, Robinson is up by 4 points, and this was taken before the debate, which means the gap may’ve widened.
If you’re in NC, or have family/friends there, please tell them to vote and not for this loon
Vive la révolution.
Don't worry. I voted for not Trump. I'm sure that'll take care of everything. We'll wait for a more convenient time and means to begin meaningful change. Trust us. We moderates have been at it for forty years.
That is a stupid take, but it does leave me curious. I can see where your chain of logic lies (let's all vote for Bernie and solve all the problems tomorrow), but the disconnect from idilic fantasy and reality seems to have you hung up a bit. While the tongue-in-cheek Bernie comment would be kinda neat to bring about, you can not realistically shift an entire voting base overnight. You, and others on here are more in tuned to the political goings on than a horrific percent of the actual voting population. I talk politics more than anyone is comfortable with (it IS that important...sorry folks), and I very consistently come across people that don't know what left and right is, don't know what conservative and liberal is, don't know which of the latter is described by the former, don't know the difference between economic policy and social or political policy. So we come back to your take. Yeah, shit has to change, but we have a slim chance of getting systems in place to cause real change under one guy and authoritarian endgame under the other. THIS election's loss carries unacceptable loss conditions. When we are voting between a Clinton and a Bush, then push your agenda because the loss conditions there is just having someone disagreeable in power maintaining THEIR version of the status quo...not ideal, but much safer. Convincing fence-sitters that lean blue (the kind that would care about the genocide happening) to not vote or to vote 3rd party gives the guy that will make everything worse a better chance. Ultimately if you don't vote for one of the two people our current system allows, you are casting a vote for whoever happens to win, mathematically.
Your idea is a Prisoner's Dilemma, and in the real world, we absolutely can not trust that the other 80million prisoners will all play their part. Sorry.
Take it up with MLK.
Incredible feat considering you didn't ask me shit.
I assumed the rest continued in ignorance and bad faith.
MLK is dead so I cant. seeing logic has nothing to do with asking things.
Probably best you avoided the rest, you clearly have a fear of leaving your little silo.
Grow up.
They're intentionally trying to get people to not vote. They're not like your and me, they're a bad actor. Don't feed them.
I'll wait out in the field, massa. Please let me know when it's convenient for you that I fight for my freedom, massa. Thank you for voting Biden, massa. He'll make everything right for us slaves.
As a leftist I'm about done listening to constant bloody threats from MAGA people.
If MAGA are going to say "If leftist don't get in the way there will be no blood" then I'm here to say that there will be blood.
I’d love to confront an otherwise normal, conventionally Republican voter who is planning to vote for this shit. I’m sure some of my coworkers or neighbors or acquaintances fall into this category. However, I see no outward projection about their support of this garbage. I assume that they must be ashamed to advertise what garbage views they have or at the very least have no confidence that they could defend such positions when confronted. Again, I’m just assuming their presence in my immediate social vicinity given all the polling. I of course can see the nut job on the corner with adrenachrome signs, but that asshole isn’t representative of most Republicans. Fucking cowards, the lot of them. Ignorant, self-hating cowards.
"I just agree with their fiscal policies and think abortion is murder, I don't like the other stuff, but most of it's just harmless (to me.)"
Projection is a hell of a drug.
Ugh, saw the headline and knew it was my state. Our current Dem Gov is term limited. This Robinson asshat is so very embarrassing and scary like a drunk bear with brain damage.
NC is so gerrymandered we are painted red, but I think Gov is based on popular vote so there is still some hope for Stein for next Gov and Jackson for next AG.
Also, Cotham can suck it for getting voted in as a Democrat then switching parties within months in a very very blue district. She ran on protecting abortion rights then voted to ban it after joining the Republican party.
We are potentially very very up a nasty creek without paddles here, even in the blue places.
They should have to post the Ten Commandments in that church
I agree.
Species would be far better off without people like him in it.
Someone needs to take him aside and politely explain that calling for violence is not going to work out the way he thinks it will work out.
It might work out the way he things it will though - namely with him being elected. Doubt he cares beyond that.
Neat, let's do a comparison. Does anyone have a list of Homosexual pedophiles, religious pedophiles, and politician pedophiles? I am super curious how INCONCEIVABLY different those graphs are. I couldn't even venture a guess on what the outcome could even look like! /s
These asshats are unhinged and un-American.
Meanwhile, Biden kills a child in Gaza every fifteen minutes. Liberals are silent.
No, the libs aren't silent and have acknowledged their disdain. Also different situation
Let's try to stay on topic though. Is that difficult for you? Maybe we should bring up how Trump wanted internment camps and discussed this with Xi, or Trump wanting to use the army to shoot protestors? No?
How are US prisons different from concentration camps?
We get it you're 14 and super edgy.
I’m 36 and my political views are normal outside of nazi countries like the USA.
If Trump wins, you are about to find out.
Project 2025
Which actually began in 1492 for everyone in amerikkka who isn’t rich and/or wh*te.
So what's your plan?
Probably to "both sides " the shit out of the internet for pennies
To not vote for either nazi. You probably don’t live in a swing state so your vote doesn’t matter anyway, all thanks to the amazing electoral college that the democrats never even mention abolishing despite losing the 2000 and 2016 presidential elections because of it.
That not a plan. It really easy to criticize from the outside instead of doing anything. You're doing less than anything.
I’m currently annoying nazis. Do you live in a swing state?
So nothing. This isn't directed at you, but I'm getting really tired of so many on the left bitching about everything, but not offering any viable alternatives. People don't want to get their hands dirty in the trenches.
Reminds me of a Teddy Roosevelt quote:
But, feel free to dismiss this wholesale since he was a bad person (probably).
Dude if you like teddy roosevelt quotes, you’re going to love all the horrible shit he said about Native Americans. His family also got their start by selling drugs to China.
The only viable thing to do is to vote for genocide and make excuses for it.
Or you could not vote and get more genocide in a variety of flavors! Hey when we're all dead, at least you'll finally stop complaining.
Just because something is shitty doesn't mean you should compare it to the shittiest extreme example you can think of. There are degrees of shitty.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain how they are different.
That's because you're oblivious. Everyone in prison in America had a right to counsel, a fair trial, to face accusers, to cross examine witnesses and evidence, to have disputed facts decided by a jury of peers, a presumption of innocence, freedom from self incrimination, spousal privilege, oh and habeas corpus.
To name a few.
Imagine thinking that a billionaire and a homeless person are treated equally under amerikkkan law. Amazingly, profoundly racist of you to believe this when the pigs murder three people every day here. How many of them are rich?
Yes, the pigs murder people sometimes.
And obviously that's the same as forced relocations to industrialized murder camps with zero due process, you absolute donkey.
Imagine excusing any of that. What if they had murdered your kids?
Know nothing.
3 day old russian troll, it's fun to spot them in the wild like this
Hillary would have won if not for the electoral college. Why aren’t the Democrats trying to abolish it?
Biden is not pulling the trigger or ordering any Israeli troops to pull the trigger. What is going on there is completely outside his control.
Why does Israeli leadership keep saying that the war ends the instant amerikkka stops shipping them weapons?
Because they're lying. They have had just over $300 Billion dollars in support from the US over the years, they have enough money to keep the war going until everyone is dead.
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
— your source (Abrams is also a convicted war criminal and Trump/Biden appointee)
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/155-reasons-to-reduce-israels-dependence-on-the-us/
I thought bots were better more advanced...what kind of blinders do you use to think liberals are silent? The loudest , most passionate, and least in touch with reality are very actively trying to lose the election to show how much they don't like genocide. It's everywhere.