I worked 3rds for ages. Everything the meme says is true. But aside from health issues that could potentially popup.... Folks don't understand that it's 4pm and in the middle of your "night"
I had to remove everyone from my permitted list when my phone was on DnD. My mother, for example, would call at 2pm and ask what I was doing.. She never could understand that I was asleep.
I was always the DD for when people wanted to go out.. because "you're awake normally" which is fine. But maybe I want a beer or two at the bar as well.
It's the small things that weigh on you.. and if you're in a relationship... You'll never see your partner except when they are sliding into the bed and you're getting up.
Glad I did it for so long.. but I'd never do it again.
I would do 12 x 12 nights on a mine. Saw some cool shit. Light pillars, and northern lights like you wouldn't believe. A few lynx.
Wouldn't do it again unless you at least tripled my salary. Nightshift gut is awful. feeling like you've got a sandbox in your eyes also sucks. Nothing like changing a tire on a pickup in -50C with no one around... Two nights in a row to support day shift.
Dude that "support day shift" shit is real. Like mofos you couldn't even work if wasn't here. Have some mfing gratitude. Lol
Alaska or Canada?
Canada
My mother, for example, would call at 2pm and ask what I was doing.. She never could understand that I was asleep.
This problem is easily solved by following the golden rule
It's not gay when it's in a 3 way?
Do unto others before others do unto you? Lol
"Hey mum, I'm busy. I'll call you back at 2 AM, k thanks bye"
We know that people have different chronotypes. We even know that most people of working age aren't really morning people. Unfortunately, our business world assumes a standard circadian rhythm and is structured around getting up early because people needed to use every bit of daylight way back when. So that sucks, especially if you're an evening or even night person.
I find I'm the most productive at 3am. It's a real shame that I'm forced to sleep through it.
Woah same! I start doing things around 11 PM and then do them until about 5, which is real nice when you're alone..
Night owls are also an oppressive class. Drag lives somewhere with thin walls and can't get to sleep until the night owls are ready too. The parties are the worst.
But that's more of a "assholes being assholes" thing than it is a "the world is dictated by night owls" thing.
No, the problem could easily be solved by builders putting in proper insulation. They're not assholes for preferring a different schedule to drag. But the decisions of the political class to permit bad insulation have forced them into conflict with drag in which drag is oppressed. Politicians have transformed drag's neighbours into oppressors.
Life pro tip for those nocturnal. Even those nocturnal folks need to mow their lawns. For modestly sized lawns, a scythe can be a great option! It's also perfectly legal to mow your lawn with a scythe at three in the morning, dressed in a long black hooded robe.
To have some visibility, you can use one or two of these head strap lights. But make sure they are red, to not lose night vision
In many cities, nighttime noise level is limited by decibel level. But even low-level noise is allowed if below some level. So you could have some extremely quiet speakers gently wafting spooky sounds while you do this. Or if that's a bridge too far, whose to say you don't personally just like listening to Gregorian chants and quiet levels while you work?
My internet is fast
Was this written in 2002?
No, in some areas it is still very much real. I've had several friends who needed to dip around 17:00 or 18:00 because the latency of the online games we played got too variable. This is in Western countries.
Some areas may even rely on LTE.
1-3Mbps vs 30-50Mbps is quite a bit of difference.
It also depends on how oversold the links are. I could easily take guaranteed gigabit and sell it to 2 homes as "Up to 1Gbps". Or 5 homes. How many people would be using the full bandwidth 24/7 anyway. But it can also be far less reasonable. I can sell it as "Up to x" to as many as I want to. Sure, you may only be getting less than 100Mbps now, but if others stopped using the internet... It's still validly "Up to 1Gbps". Maybe you'll get it, one day, or night.
If you don't have an SLA, you'll just have to deal with it.
It’s a big problem in apartment complexes where one line is CGNAT’d to every apartment. In practice that means 20 people share the same line that a house would have normally, and in the evenings every apartment streaming or gaming can make the speeds shit.
Sucks ass but in the US you can’t do shit because the speeds you pay for are “up to” and if they’re not “up to” that the best you can do is kick rocks.
This also usually coincides with you being able to only get one internet service provider at that apartment, despite that being illegal now. So you’re locked in to shit nighttime service with slow downloads and giga latency
you being able to only get one internet service provider at that apartment, despite that being illegal now
Your option is the Mediocre Internet everyone uses or the Shit Internet that exists pretty much exclusively to fulfill this requirement. Fuck Windstream, somehow managed to be worse than Comcast.
Oooof too true on LTE internet
I have FTTB and I'm glad I haven't experienced that. Always the 200Mbps that was advertised
Glorious that you’re not over subscribed, that’s how it’s supposed to work!! But if they over sell the pipe or undersize the pipe, or both, Fs in the chat between 7-10
The internet is weird. You'd be surprised at some of the issues that still happen today.
I once had an issue where I couldn't log into the servers of an MMO, despite my internet being perfectly fine. After much trial and error, I figured out that the reason I couldn't log in was because while I played on East Coast servers, all login authentification was done through servers at the companies HQ on the West Coast, and there was a local outage of a DNS server or something out in New York somewhere, which meant that I couldn't reach the login servers. Literally nothing I could do because a line was down several states away and I therefore couldn't play the game.
By the Authority of Night Shift Gremlins HQ thatericalper is hereby stripped of their Night Shift Membership for sharing classified information with Day Walkers. They are also expelled from all Nocturnal Activities under pain of Pain. Should they be seen engaging in nocturnal activity outside of their personal domicile all Night Shift Gremlins in witness are obligated under article 13 subsection Scarlet-7-Mentos-19 to use all necessary force to cease the offending nocturnal activity and return the offender to a NSG approved Class-3 holding cell where they will be held until daybreak when an automated system will release them into the light of day where they rightfully belong. Repeated violations will incur severe non-life threatening yet highly inconvenient punishments.
I've tried being nocturnal for some time before I started going to college. I got more productive with my studies, but then my heart rate started acting weird, having spikes in random moments, and I decided to stop. My heart rate returned to normal after that.
"The day is ok and the sun can be fun,
but I live to see those rays slip away"
From "I Love the Night" - Blue Oyster Cult
Years ago when my schedule allowed it, I slept from 2am to midday for a month. Probably the one time in my adult life that I had caught up on my sleep debt, it was glorious. Although it seemed once I was “caught up” I couldn’t sleep that long anymore.
My soul yearns for 4am-12pm sleep schedule.
Shh... if the normies find out you'll ruin it for all of us.
Oh no, imaging Normie's coming in at you at 5 AM with u making a sandwich
TIL the verb "to shut up" keeps its same form in the past tense
(not a native speaker)
Rules in the English language are an exception, not the rule
I don't think so. Im like 90% sure it should be "everyone shuts up"
The pros are plentiful. But the cons are compelling: partner and job schedules must align or it sucks.
When I worked nights, I had a gf who kept wanting to do stuff when I needed to be going to bed.
When I worked nights, twice a week I'd stay up 36 consecutive hours to realign my schedule with my partner's and then back to my job's.
I miss working nights and I miss being young.
Work more night shifts. Date more goths.
I did date a few goths when I worked nights!
I have a pet theory that in the old times before there was good lighting at night, people who rose early had been more productive and got richer. Their descendants remain part of the ruling class today, and that's why companies usually demand that the work day starts early. Of course nowadays there's no real need for that, they are just mad with power and want to show it off by oppressing the workers.
I can't sleep at night at all, no matter how tired I am.
so I changed my sleep schedule, I sleep 14-00 (2pm till midnight) and then I'm awake, go to school etc etc, I get 10 hours, while still being awake at night. its amazing. and it works.
There are fringe benefits to exploiting/integrating the swarm of autonomous self replicating bipedal drones.
It's not that this lifestyle isn't socially acceptable, but it comes with some disadvantages. As pointed out by others, if you have a partner that is living an opposite lifestyle ("normal" day time work - night time sleep) you both wouldn't have that much time together being awake and active. Also, another disadvantage is that everyone else is active during your resting time, which is during the day. Loud neighbors, traffic, socializing, etc. Errands, like appointments, are often possible only during daytime.
Attending a nocturnal lifestyle over an extended period of time is also less healthy from the biological point of view.
If your biological preference is set to be nocturnal however, and you can compensate for the aforementioned disadvantages, go for it. Nobody will be judging you.
I commented on someone else saying this, but I'll say it here also. There's no way to isolate the variable of a noctural lifestyle. There are many confounding factors that can't be controlled. Is it that being awake at night that isn't healthy or are people who feel like being awake at night already typically less healthy? I'd bet on the latter.
We can take vitamin D supplements, so that isn't the issue. However, a lot about your lifestyle must change with this, as you say. Is this a cause? Are nocturnal favoring people associated with mental health issues? Do nocturnal people eat less healthy? (Fewer options to healthy eating open?)
Studies involving humans are flawed. We can't control every factor of someone's life, so usually it's self reported and also not forcing lifestyle changes on people —at least not for long term studies. They're still useful, but people often look at studies that say "nocturnal lifestyle associated with worse long-term health outcomes" and read "nocturnal lifestyle causes worse long-term health outcomes" which is a very different thing.
Something something correlation doesn't imply causation. I agree.
Just kidding, I read the whole post. Not kidding about the agreement , though.
My wife is nocturnal, and also is currently having severe depression. I think she just prefers to avoid people as much as possible, because of the depression, not that the nocturnal lifestyle has caused the depression.
If other people using the internet is slowing down your connection, maybe it's time to finally ditch cable (if you're able to). Fiber is ideal, but even 5G fixed wireless is faster than cable, even during peak periods.
edit: in case anyone was curious, I get gigabit speeds from Verizon's 5G home internet, with no data cap, for $60/mo. Meanwhile Cox/Comcast charges that much for 20 freaking megabits, and you have a 1TB cap.
No where is open, because everyone went to sleep
this is why i want to live in a big city (for you americans that means larger than 100k people, i don't mean "tokyo"), you can always find something sensible open even if it's on the other side of the city, and public transport generally at least somewhat operates even at 3am.
Another thing that needs to change. All the night owls can have their night owl businesses tending to their night owl customers, and the basically-fascist horseshit ideas about nighttime activity being suspicious or illicit can die the deaths they never should have to die because they never should have lived in the first place.
You're making me miss third shift, sort of. I don't know if I would ever go back to it again. There was something so peaceful about being up during the night, though. I miss it sometimes.
Cut the toxic diurnal people out of your life.
Early death is what's not to like.
Source?
Credible sources only of course.
In total transparency it's one of these fact people in my circle into getting PhDs and reading papers bring up consistently so I never looked it up, something about night shifts correlate high as fuck to lower life expectation, something about stress, sun, heart regulation.
I'll look something up just for you once I get to a PC.
What if the causation is the other way around?
That would mean the quality of those research sucked.
Iirc that is only true in the sense that being queer does the same. It isn't anywhere near comparable in severity of course, I've never had a single person rant at me for being awake at 3am, but it's still a constricting society that punishes people for sticking out in big and small ways that causes compounding issues in people.
The source I found seem to confirm specifically to the heart related issues, differentiating it from all-cause and cancer.
(I'm not well versed in "credible" in the science field. I read meta-anlysis in a mostly textual website, I think it's credible)
Where my crepuscular homies at?
Bad for your long term health
Not sure what you mean by not socially acceptable, there’s a lot of night work
No worries, I take Vitamin D pills. I have surpassed my sun-addicted brethren.
Circadian clock issue unfortunately
Any studies concluding a corelation between being awake at night and poor health are likely measuring many confounding factors. There's no way to isolate that variable. Certain groups are more likely to stay up into the night, which could equally be the cause. It also requires, as the post implies, giving up certain activities. Those activities may promote good health in some way.
Any actual medical condition caused by nighttime activity could be managed, like vitamin D deficiency. The societal factors can't be, although if it was more common and acceptable that could level out some of the variables.
Studies show that losing weight is good for your health. What happens if you give that advice to someone who's underweight?
Different people have different needs and the studies on sleeping haven't yet caught up to that level of science.
I worked 3rds for ages. Everything the meme says is true. But aside from health issues that could potentially popup.... Folks don't understand that it's 4pm and in the middle of your "night"
I had to remove everyone from my permitted list when my phone was on DnD. My mother, for example, would call at 2pm and ask what I was doing.. She never could understand that I was asleep.
I was always the DD for when people wanted to go out.. because "you're awake normally" which is fine. But maybe I want a beer or two at the bar as well.
It's the small things that weigh on you.. and if you're in a relationship... You'll never see your partner except when they are sliding into the bed and you're getting up.
Glad I did it for so long.. but I'd never do it again.
I would do 12 x 12 nights on a mine. Saw some cool shit. Light pillars, and northern lights like you wouldn't believe. A few lynx.
Wouldn't do it again unless you at least tripled my salary. Nightshift gut is awful. feeling like you've got a sandbox in your eyes also sucks. Nothing like changing a tire on a pickup in -50C with no one around... Two nights in a row to support day shift.
Dude that "support day shift" shit is real. Like mofos you couldn't even work if wasn't here. Have some mfing gratitude. Lol
Alaska or Canada?
Canada
This problem is easily solved by following the golden rule
It's not gay when it's in a 3 way?
Do unto others before others do unto you? Lol
"Hey mum, I'm busy. I'll call you back at 2 AM, k thanks bye"
We know that people have different chronotypes. We even know that most people of working age aren't really morning people. Unfortunately, our business world assumes a standard circadian rhythm and is structured around getting up early because people needed to use every bit of daylight way back when. So that sucks, especially if you're an evening or even night person.
I find I'm the most productive at 3am. It's a real shame that I'm forced to sleep through it.
Woah same! I start doing things around 11 PM and then do them until about 5, which is real nice when you're alone..
Night owls are also an oppressive class. Drag lives somewhere with thin walls and can't get to sleep until the night owls are ready too. The parties are the worst.
But that's more of a "assholes being assholes" thing than it is a "the world is dictated by night owls" thing.
No, the problem could easily be solved by builders putting in proper insulation. They're not assholes for preferring a different schedule to drag. But the decisions of the political class to permit bad insulation have forced them into conflict with drag in which drag is oppressed. Politicians have transformed drag's neighbours into oppressors.
Life pro tip for those nocturnal. Even those nocturnal folks need to mow their lawns. For modestly sized lawns, a scythe can be a great option! It's also perfectly legal to mow your lawn with a scythe at three in the morning, dressed in a long black hooded robe.
To have some visibility, you can use one or two of these head strap lights. But make sure they are red, to not lose night vision
In many cities, nighttime noise level is limited by decibel level. But even low-level noise is allowed if below some level. So you could have some extremely quiet speakers gently wafting spooky sounds while you do this. Or if that's a bridge too far, whose to say you don't personally just like listening to Gregorian chants and quiet levels while you work?
Was this written in 2002?
No, in some areas it is still very much real. I've had several friends who needed to dip around 17:00 or 18:00 because the latency of the online games we played got too variable. This is in Western countries.
Some areas may even rely on LTE.
1-3Mbps vs 30-50Mbps is quite a bit of difference.
It also depends on how oversold the links are. I could easily take guaranteed gigabit and sell it to 2 homes as "Up to 1Gbps". Or 5 homes. How many people would be using the full bandwidth 24/7 anyway. But it can also be far less reasonable. I can sell it as "Up to x" to as many as I want to. Sure, you may only be getting less than 100Mbps now, but if others stopped using the internet... It's still validly "Up to 1Gbps". Maybe you'll get it, one day, or night.
If you don't have an SLA, you'll just have to deal with it.
It’s a big problem in apartment complexes where one line is CGNAT’d to every apartment. In practice that means 20 people share the same line that a house would have normally, and in the evenings every apartment streaming or gaming can make the speeds shit.
Sucks ass but in the US you can’t do shit because the speeds you pay for are “up to” and if they’re not “up to” that the best you can do is kick rocks.
This also usually coincides with you being able to only get one internet service provider at that apartment, despite that being illegal now. So you’re locked in to shit nighttime service with slow downloads and giga latency
Your option is the Mediocre Internet everyone uses or the Shit Internet that exists pretty much exclusively to fulfill this requirement. Fuck Windstream, somehow managed to be worse than Comcast.
Oooof too true on LTE internet
I have FTTB and I'm glad I haven't experienced that. Always the 200Mbps that was advertised
Glorious that you’re not over subscribed, that’s how it’s supposed to work!! But if they over sell the pipe or undersize the pipe, or both, Fs in the chat between 7-10
The internet is weird. You'd be surprised at some of the issues that still happen today.
I once had an issue where I couldn't log into the servers of an MMO, despite my internet being perfectly fine. After much trial and error, I figured out that the reason I couldn't log in was because while I played on East Coast servers, all login authentification was done through servers at the companies HQ on the West Coast, and there was a local outage of a DNS server or something out in New York somewhere, which meant that I couldn't reach the login servers. Literally nothing I could do because a line was down several states away and I therefore couldn't play the game.
By the Authority of Night Shift Gremlins HQ thatericalper is hereby stripped of their Night Shift Membership for sharing classified information with Day Walkers. They are also expelled from all Nocturnal Activities under pain of Pain. Should they be seen engaging in nocturnal activity outside of their personal domicile all Night Shift Gremlins in witness are obligated under article 13 subsection Scarlet-7-Mentos-19 to use all necessary force to cease the offending nocturnal activity and return the offender to a NSG approved Class-3 holding cell where they will be held until daybreak when an automated system will release them into the light of day where they rightfully belong. Repeated violations will incur severe non-life threatening yet highly inconvenient punishments.
Thus is our way.
Fuck the Sun. Shun the Day Walkers.
/signed, Thadious Methweazel. Adjunct Arch-Gremlin.
I've tried being nocturnal for some time before I started going to college. I got more productive with my studies, but then my heart rate started acting weird, having spikes in random moments, and I decided to stop. My heart rate returned to normal after that.
"The day is ok and the sun can be fun, but I live to see those rays slip away"
From "I Love the Night" - Blue Oyster Cult
Years ago when my schedule allowed it, I slept from 2am to midday for a month. Probably the one time in my adult life that I had caught up on my sleep debt, it was glorious. Although it seemed once I was “caught up” I couldn’t sleep that long anymore.
My soul yearns for 4am-12pm sleep schedule.
Shh... if the normies find out you'll ruin it for all of us.
Oh no, imaging Normie's coming in at you at 5 AM with u making a sandwich
TIL the verb "to shut up" keeps its same form in the past tense (not a native speaker)
Rules in the English language are an exception, not the rule
I don't think so. Im like 90% sure it should be "everyone shuts up"
The pros are plentiful. But the cons are compelling: partner and job schedules must align or it sucks.
When I worked nights, I had a gf who kept wanting to do stuff when I needed to be going to bed.
When I worked nights, twice a week I'd stay up 36 consecutive hours to realign my schedule with my partner's and then back to my job's.
I miss working nights and I miss being young.
Work more night shifts. Date more goths.
I did date a few goths when I worked nights!
I have a pet theory that in the old times before there was good lighting at night, people who rose early had been more productive and got richer. Their descendants remain part of the ruling class today, and that's why companies usually demand that the work day starts early. Of course nowadays there's no real need for that, they are just mad with power and want to show it off by oppressing the workers.
I can't sleep at night at all, no matter how tired I am. so I changed my sleep schedule, I sleep 14-00 (2pm till midnight) and then I'm awake, go to school etc etc, I get 10 hours, while still being awake at night. its amazing. and it works.
There are fringe benefits to exploiting/integrating the swarm of autonomous self replicating bipedal drones.
It's not that this lifestyle isn't socially acceptable, but it comes with some disadvantages. As pointed out by others, if you have a partner that is living an opposite lifestyle ("normal" day time work - night time sleep) you both wouldn't have that much time together being awake and active. Also, another disadvantage is that everyone else is active during your resting time, which is during the day. Loud neighbors, traffic, socializing, etc. Errands, like appointments, are often possible only during daytime.
Attending a nocturnal lifestyle over an extended period of time is also less healthy from the biological point of view.
If your biological preference is set to be nocturnal however, and you can compensate for the aforementioned disadvantages, go for it. Nobody will be judging you.
I commented on someone else saying this, but I'll say it here also. There's no way to isolate the variable of a noctural lifestyle. There are many confounding factors that can't be controlled. Is it that being awake at night that isn't healthy or are people who feel like being awake at night already typically less healthy? I'd bet on the latter.
We can take vitamin D supplements, so that isn't the issue. However, a lot about your lifestyle must change with this, as you say. Is this a cause? Are nocturnal favoring people associated with mental health issues? Do nocturnal people eat less healthy? (Fewer options to healthy eating open?)
Studies involving humans are flawed. We can't control every factor of someone's life, so usually it's self reported and also not forcing lifestyle changes on people —at least not for long term studies. They're still useful, but people often look at studies that say "nocturnal lifestyle associated with worse long-term health outcomes" and read "nocturnal lifestyle causes worse long-term health outcomes" which is a very different thing.
Something something correlation doesn't imply causation. I agree.
Just kidding, I read the whole post. Not kidding about the agreement , though.
My wife is nocturnal, and also is currently having severe depression. I think she just prefers to avoid people as much as possible, because of the depression, not that the nocturnal lifestyle has caused the depression.
If other people using the internet is slowing down your connection, maybe it's time to finally ditch cable (if you're able to). Fiber is ideal, but even 5G fixed wireless is faster than cable, even during peak periods.
edit: in case anyone was curious, I get gigabit speeds from Verizon's 5G home internet, with no data cap, for $60/mo. Meanwhile Cox/Comcast charges that much for 20 freaking megabits, and you have a 1TB cap.
No where is open, because everyone went to sleep
this is why i want to live in a big city (for you americans that means larger than 100k people, i don't mean "tokyo"), you can always find something sensible open even if it's on the other side of the city, and public transport generally at least somewhat operates even at 3am.
Another thing that needs to change. All the night owls can have their night owl businesses tending to their night owl customers, and the basically-fascist horseshit ideas about nighttime activity being suspicious or illicit can die the deaths they never should have to die because they never should have lived in the first place.
You're making me miss third shift, sort of. I don't know if I would ever go back to it again. There was something so peaceful about being up during the night, though. I miss it sometimes.
Cut the toxic diurnal people out of your life.
Early death is what's not to like.
Source?
Credible sources only of course.
In total transparency it's one of these fact people in my circle into getting PhDs and reading papers bring up consistently so I never looked it up, something about night shifts correlate high as fuck to lower life expectation, something about stress, sun, heart regulation.
I'll look something up just for you once I get to a PC.
What if the causation is the other way around?
That would mean the quality of those research sucked.
Iirc that is only true in the sense that being queer does the same. It isn't anywhere near comparable in severity of course, I've never had a single person rant at me for being awake at 3am, but it's still a constricting society that punishes people for sticking out in big and small ways that causes compounding issues in people.
The source I found seem to confirm specifically to the heart related issues, differentiating it from all-cause and cancer.
There you go: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1389945721004512
(I'm not well versed in "credible" in the science field. I read meta-anlysis in a mostly textual website, I think it's credible)
Where my crepuscular homies at?
Bad for your long term health
Not sure what you mean by not socially acceptable, there’s a lot of night work
No worries, I take Vitamin D pills. I have surpassed my sun-addicted brethren.
Circadian clock issue unfortunately
Any studies concluding a corelation between being awake at night and poor health are likely measuring many confounding factors. There's no way to isolate that variable. Certain groups are more likely to stay up into the night, which could equally be the cause. It also requires, as the post implies, giving up certain activities. Those activities may promote good health in some way.
Any actual medical condition caused by nighttime activity could be managed, like vitamin D deficiency. The societal factors can't be, although if it was more common and acceptable that could level out some of the variables.
Studies show that losing weight is good for your health. What happens if you give that advice to someone who's underweight?
Different people have different needs and the studies on sleeping haven't yet caught up to that level of science.