AOC Says She Would ‘Absolutely’ Vote to Oust ‘Very Weak’ Speaker McCarthy

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AOC Says She Would 'Absolutely' Vote to Oust 'Very Weak' Speaker McCarthy
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The congresswoman quipped that in attempting to avert a shutdown Republicans were “run[ning] around the House like a Roomba, until they found a door that House Democrats opened”

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I can’t believe no one has enough dirt on Matt Gaetz (and MTG and the rest) to keep them in line. If nothing else, threaten to keep putting junior high schools within 500 ft of Gaetz’s house so he has to move every 3 months. You don’t whip votes with policy arguments.

They HAD dirt. Then it was exposed - and nothing came of it. Now they think they are invincible, even if people have dirt.

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I suspect that to rub elbows with the upper echelons of republican leadership, you have to give up some juicy dirt they can use to control or get rid of you. I mean that's the only explanation of Madison Cawthorne. That guy was awful but once he let slip about orgies and shit he was gone quicker than you could say news cycle.

I think the problem is Matt is threatening scorched earth and they believe him. Use any dirt to keep him in line and he'll spill all the beans and bring down the whole party. Because everyone knows these trumpets don't give two shits about the republican party.

I think they’re just so shameless that no amount of dirt will stick to them

I mean, look at Beobert. A scandal that big, on video, would have resulted in an instant resignation 20 years ago. But she's so vile that everyone just shrugs and moves on, because it's not even surprising, just funny.

This is so true I didn’t even realize how fucking upside down the whole thing is until reading your comment. It didn’t even occur to me the idea of her resignation over Beetlegate because the idea of her doing so is just outside the realm of reality. It’s just “oh sorry, I let my morals lapse there for a bit, my bad!” and no one bats an eye.

This is fucking crazy! This is from the party of “gotta protect the kids”, just groping and fondling at a family event!

What the fuck.

They were literally elected saying they were going to piss off all the "politicians" and that was their only goal. And they won.

They're all like the Teflon Don. It doesn't matter how dirty you get em, it slides right off, into their supporters mouths. They swallow that filth, smile and come back for more.

The reason it seems no one is keeping them in line is because they ALL have done the same shit As these two. So leverage is even across the entire GOP which means there is no leverage to use a giant one another.

Imo, the threat of leaking dirt is coming from outside the country.

Not that their reputation can go any lower, but I would imagine it would have to be criminal.

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I'm going to have to disagree with her. My Roomba is a lot more intelligent and composed than the House GOP seems to be.

She's not totally off-base. They're like a Roomba that found the dog poop during the night.

And smeared it all over the living room carpet

From experience, they need to make those things easier to clean

Mine always gets lost and hides under the couch instead of returning. If only McCarthy would do the same

Well, u gotta sympathize with McCarthy here. Ur Roomba just has to suck in trash. McCarthy has to suck trash and make sure it orgasms.

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Pelosi told the caucus that McCarthy was not to be trusted before the vote. Kevin’s gonna regret breaking his deal with Biden while also making it impossible to stay in power without a decent number of democrats. Just let the cannibals eat each other, seems to be the attitude.

They guy thinks he's much smarter than he actually is. He's good at complaining about things but then it comes to actual leadership he falls flat on his face simply because he's not smart enough to do the job effectively. People here hate Nancy Pelosi but she was unbelievably effective at keeping the party together when it came to important legislation that they wanted passed.

I know I’m stepping into murky waters here. I do believe McCarthy is a weak speaker because he can’t keep his party under thumb.

But I’m also struggling to reconcile that they came up with a bipartisan bill (granted, not a longterm one). No one gets everything they want. Isn’t that what we want balanced and working government to do?

But I’m also struggling to reconcile that they came up with a bipartisan bill (granted, not a longterm one). No one gets everything they want.

They only did it at the 11th hour, and probably only because their donors were leaning hard on them because a shutdown would fuck up their money, along with another possible credit rating downgrade

Isn’t that what we want balanced and working government to do?

Yes, but functional and working governments do so with reasonable deadlines and well ahead of the "fuck, we're literally out of money" point. Problem is, the republicans thrive on dysfunction and are more than willing to burn things down to hurt people, go back on agreements, and explicitly state how they don't want a functional government.

I'm of the opinion that waiting until the last possible moment is an intentional feature (in general) and NOT an accident or indicator of incompetence. Bare with me here, because I DO agree there's a lot of incompetence, but also ...

They are constantly testing the political winds, the media coverage, the social media reactions, and very much so, their donor's reactions to all of the other reactions. So they float balloons, see what happens, adjust, rinse repeat.

Or said another way, the public and private outrages are a feature, not a bug. How else would they know how far they can push things. It fucking sucks, and is a horrible way to govern, and my take makes them even scummier.

feels like you have stockholm syndrome here... they managed to not shut down the government at the 11:59 mark by actually working together, and will now go back to bickering. yes, this is what people want, but in general, not only when they're about to screw everything up.

Sounds like you're trying to naively see bipartisanship in a situation where they only came together under the threat of massive economic disaster, instead of seeing a completely disfunctional government that threatens long term economic growth by fucking around until the last possible second to actually do their goddamned jobs.

Don't pretend this circus is what the people want, because this circus is hurting people so political terrorists can do their thing and pretend ideology is more important than their constituents.

I’m also struggling to reconcile that they came up with a bipartisan bill

That's because they didn't. They decided to extend last year's bill 45 more days.

Congress already passed the budget. This is just the party of “government doesn’t work” trying to prove it can’t work by breaking things.

So get this. Gaetz wants to oust McCarthy as Speaker for working with Democrats on the shutdown deal. That will take a majority vote in the House, and Gaetz doesn't have enough Republicans behind him to do that. Thus, Gaetz would have to work with Democrats to oust McCarthy for working with Democrats.

Gaetz has handed Democrats the opportunity to be kingmaker. Their question is if they want to keep someone who will sometimes work across the isle to get shit done, or if they want to help Republicans implode by letting the howler monkey contingent run wild in the leadup to a major election year.

The fact that Gaetz apparently doesn't see this shows that he doesn't have the political savvy for the job. Can't think more than one step ahead in 1D checkers.

Let McCarthy embarrass himself with 15-20 votes that fall short, THEN play kingmaker. Put Jon Huntsman, John Kasich, or some other moderate in as speaker. The Constitution doesn't require the speaker to be a member of Congress.

When is this woman running for president? Like seriously, seems like a legitimate decent choice

She has zero chance of winning a general election. She's getting the Hilary treatment from Republicans. That is - they're vilifying her right now to poison people against her before she can run.

The only reason Trump became President is because the Democrats ran an unelectable candidate against him. They spent over 20 years making Hilary the villain, and it allowed them to install the worst President in US history.

And they're prepping for AOC to be the next Clinton.

They fuckin did Bernie wrong.

Bernie Sanders lost the primary by 3 million votes.

No one did anything to Sanders except vote for his opponent.

Clinton was also preceded by her husband whose record could be attached to her. Until AOC serves in an administration or something it will be hard to complete the process

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Can they even put anyone else in is my question.

Does Kevin McCarthy work with Democrats and his Republicans to stay as speaker

Or do Republicans backstab McCarthy and vote a Democrat speaker.

Idk but I don't imagine regular Republicans voting in a Democrat speaker, and this story is telling me that Democrats won't support Kevin either 🤷🏽

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That's how you end up spending the next 45 days trying to elect a new speaker instead of passing a budget.