Honestly. I was setup and subscribed to some initial communities within 2 hours of RIF going down. Literally my only complaint at this point is the relative lack of content.
Be part of the solution, make it š.
One of us. One of us.
Id like a filter for top of all time, but thatās honestly my only ācomplaintā im shocked at how developed this is, and the web app wefwef is a little too good lol
There is a "Top - All Time" filter at least on the web. Works well for local, not sure about off local though. Mobile apps might not have all the filters though.
It seems to show the posts with the most updoots. Curiously the first page of Top - All Time are all from the last few weeks. Goes to show the explosive influx of Reddit Refugees into the Fediverse.
Connect for Lemmy has a setting where it will hide posts the user has voted on. I believe the website has this as well. Works great for keeping content fresh rather than seeing the same posts about the Reddit migration.
Why do so many of you like this feature? Do you just never go back to the same thread more than once?
Only if somebody replies to my comments.
Wefwef sent me from concerned lemmy isnt quite ready to all in. Total 180.
It's steadily getting better. Try looking at All instead of Local or Subscribed to see more
Also use Top day or Top X hours instead of Hot.
I've been using Active, and it shows the posts with most engagement. It's nice. Then I upvote or downvote the posts and on the next refresh they stay hidden (disabled show read posts on my instance).
Do any of the apps support anything shorter than top>day yet?
Note that "all" is all communities someone on your instance has already subscribed too. Still check lemmyverse.net and others to find more.
Same. Choose an instance, sign up. You don't really need to understand the federation stuff (although it helps understand the quirks).
I can see how having communities with the same name across different servers can be confusing for some people though.
Once you understand how federation works, it becomes clear.
A user account "lives" on an instance and communities "live" on one too.
Time to post some cat pictures!
One reason this happens if you made your account on a small instance is that your instance just isnāt federating with very many communities. If youāre the first from your instance to subscribe to a community, try this: Use an explorer like lemmyverse.net to find new communities, copy the url into your home instanceās search field, and it should appear in the results after a few seconds or a refresh. Click the search result and subscribe from there. From then on, that instance will populate everyoneās āAllā tab on your home instance with posts from that community, and āSubscribedā if you remain subscribed
Could you explain this a bit more or link to some info? Im new here too, I thought the whole point was that different instances communicated which communities where hosted through them so It wouldn't matter what instance you have your account with and you will be able to see the different communities from different instances.
And to get some jargon right, that intercommunication between instances is the fediverse.
The point is your instance doesn't automatically pull every community in existence, it pulls from communities someone on your instance has already ubscribed to. So yes, you can subscribe to any community*, but you may need to be the first to actually find said community and subscribe no one else has.
When I browse my all feed I see posts from every community that anyone has ever subscribed to on my instance. But if I find one I like elsewhere I can be the first to manually connect (copy paste link) then more people can discover it since I basically added it to their "all" feed too.
Less confusing than I made it sound, and as the user base grows most of the big interesting communities will have been found and federated on instances with decent userbases.
It does matter where your account is because instances will not federate communities until someone from that instance subscribes to that community, and then it only pulls 20 posts and no comments. It will then start pulling everything new thats being posted/commented on that community, but anything before that is basically gone. This means that if you join a new/low userbase instance you will be missing a lot of stuff that was posted, while the larger instances will have way more people subscribed to communities before you even joined therefore having a larger content pool
This is the current and unfortunate situation. I dearly hope that this will change soon, leveling the playing field for young instances, and improving discoverability.
I know you can "boost" on kbin which will refederate it out. I think? Does lemmy have something similar?
What if you link me a post from before my instance federated with the community?
Im not sure what kbins boost does or if theyre even the same as lemmy regarding this problem.
You could forcefully pull posts and comments into your instance by copying their original link and pasting it into your instances search, it will then federate to your instance after a few seconds but doing that for every post and comment would be stupid unless the admins cam somehow automate it
You got it right, sometimes there's even communities with the same name on different instances.
There is content but finding and making use of it is kind of obnoxious at the moment. I am very hopeful that workarounds will soon be available to smooth it out. However being subscribed to some random communities doesn't scratch the itch people have because the point is to have meaningful participation. Your own report is that you have not yet learned to use this platform to its potential.
I have been wondering what percentage of the smarty pants ppl bragging about how not-difficult lemmy is have simply failed to grasp it. It is inherently complex. It makes no sense because it was designed to accommodate significant dynamism. In the past few weeks, the partially-complete implementation has been pushed to the max. If you are satisfied with a small, narrow window onto that, you can pick it up pretty quick and keep it simple. But you are missing a lot too.
What do you think a lot of people are missing?
Nah, there just isn't much content yet. I haven't failed to grasp it, I'm subscribed to all of the relevant communities I'm interested in across multiple instances(ex: I'm subbed to like 5-6 of the most popular c/gaming). There just isn't much in them yet.
Iāve literally had a conversation like
āthe fediverse is too complexā
āItās actually pretty simple when you get the hang of it, it took me like 5 minutes to understand itā
āThatās 5 minutes too much, everything is simple once you get the hang of it, actually simple things are intuitive from the startā
As if when youāre born you already have the knowledge required to browse Facebook in your brain. You have to āget the hangā of everything you use, thereās just more complex and less complex stuff (and 5 minutes is very much on the lower end).
It's a Stockholm syndrome kind of thing. They've been under the control of social media companies so long they've gotten to like it. It's scary to leave that control.
I have choices? No, that doesn't make any sense!
I think people get some degree of choice paralysis as well. It's hard to pick which instance to join, and I worried about what I might miss out on. I ended up making accounts on a few and messed around until I settled on Lemmy.world. I could see this being a barrier for entry and forcing some people to just stick with the easy road, Plebbit.
Federation made no sense to me either, but everyone just said to make an account somewhere and start using it. Thatās what I did and, while I donāt pretend to understand the back end, the stuff Iām using makes perfect sense to me.
99% of us don't give a shit about federation. Just give me the memes!
After a few days you wonāt even remember that there are different servers. It will feel like one.
That's the cool big idea in my eyes.
Like, you see a different thing after the @, but it's all in one place so it doesn't reeeeally matter.
That's what I keep saying. Stop trying to explain it. Just have them sign up and start consuming content. They'll get the basics by osmosis eventually
But then we end up with everyone on lemmy.world and kbin.social
Does that really matter, provided the servers don't melt?
Kind of, I know the lemmy.world guy was already well known to those into fedi, and Earnest has been very transparent with everything, but just in principle I'm a little cautious just because part of the advantage here is no central control.
Even if it never becomes about money, say someone gets hit by a bus, and whoever gains control either doesn't understand or can't cope with it and passes it on to someone else, or maybe even just shuts the whole thing down. I'm sure there are checks being put in place but I'd still hate to see some freak tragedy or something take out a good portion of the users and communities here. Even if the content would have still already federated out.
Yeah, lemmy.world got so popular for a reason and I trust Ruud. I see where you're coming from and don't disagree but you can't get too paranoid either, shit can always happen. I hope account migration (and maybe even mirroring/linking across instances) gets implemented eventually because that would really make the system bulletproof.
I don't mean to sound like I'm super smart or anything but I didn't have any issue figuring out mastodon or lemmy.
I think the larger issue is people won't take three minutes to read some basic instructions and background. They want to be spoon feed info and told what buttons to click.
True, and I spent almost a month holding the spoon, but now with Sync dead I'm hoping the rest can feed themselves.
To be fair, if it were spoon fed to people, it would be more popular. The best thing for federation is if it were much easier to get into for the average person.
Agreed but it needs to catch up to the current influx before we make it any easier :P
Hey @smokeydonuts I like your name ;)
Is there a good guide that summarizes everything? The docs make sense to me, but I also understand the technical parts of Lemmy too (I'm a backend dev). I think something that introduced Lemmy (and the Fediverse in general) that had visualizations.and everything would go a long way for some people. Maybe a short video or something too.
That's true and it's growing fast enough that it doesn't need any help in that department, but increasing ease of use and lowering the barrier to entry are major factors in software design. Hopefully, the 3rd party app devs that no longer have Reddit apps to maintain make the switch easier in the future.
I'm having issue figuring out how it works interacting from one side to other. I know lemmy.world can interact with mastodon instance via whatever activity pubsub thing they have, but for instance, can I log into the mastodon app with my lemmyworld account? I know I can post there somehow, but all the web mentions of it are like, pasting the url links in proper order like I'm in the pre-dial-up age or something.
A much more cohesive unification is needed.
Fucking five, I miss him.
What an incredible actor he is. Everyone on the show is great, but he is really, really good.
I'm so high I thought the top pic was of the Jonas Brothers š
I think that this also helps one figure out Lemmy.
So relatable lol. I feel like an expert but I have only been using it for a few weeks
I used reddit for like, a few days. Dunno how this place is confusing, maybe adaptation pains?
What is this from?
Umbrella Academy
Great show.
I could never get past those rubber gorilla arms on season one. I know I'm probably missing out... lol.
The guy lived on the moon for a bit so... bound to be a little off. The whole show is a little helter skelter but I think that's what makes it so great. Creative and unexpected with pinch of time travel, yum.
After a while, Five fully became whatever his old age is in the story. I stopped seeing a sixteen year old pretty quickly and that's what pulled me in.
Yeah I've seen enough positive feedback on it that I'll probably wait for the last season to air then binge it all at once.
It's a gonzo superhero show on Netflix. It's weirdo fun based on a very, very silly comic book.
I enjoy it, but if you don't you'll know pretty quickly. Check it out.
Wth is federation?
You're on lemmy.ca, I'm not, but I can still see and reply to your comment
To add to that we're commenting on a post from a third instance neither one of us are on.
Welcome, eh?
Imagine if [Thingā¢] was like email, that's federation. Different servers with their own rules that all connect with each other to provide the same service
Instances are a bit like usenet servers. Simple. š
Now you just need to remember usenet or know it still exists.
Honestly. I was setup and subscribed to some initial communities within 2 hours of RIF going down. Literally my only complaint at this point is the relative lack of content.
Be part of the solution, make it š.
One of us. One of us.
Id like a filter for top of all time, but thatās honestly my only ācomplaintā im shocked at how developed this is, and the web app wefwef is a little too good lol
There is a "Top - All Time" filter at least on the web. Works well for local, not sure about off local though. Mobile apps might not have all the filters though.
It seems to show the posts with the most updoots. Curiously the first page of Top - All Time are all from the last few weeks. Goes to show the explosive influx of Reddit Refugees into the Fediverse.
Connect for Lemmy has a setting where it will hide posts the user has voted on. I believe the website has this as well. Works great for keeping content fresh rather than seeing the same posts about the Reddit migration.
Why do so many of you like this feature? Do you just never go back to the same thread more than once?
Only if somebody replies to my comments.
Wefwef sent me from concerned lemmy isnt quite ready to all in. Total 180.
It's steadily getting better. Try looking at All instead of Local or Subscribed to see more
Also use Top day or Top X hours instead of Hot.
I've been using Active, and it shows the posts with most engagement. It's nice. Then I upvote or downvote the posts and on the next refresh they stay hidden (disabled show read posts on my instance).
Do any of the apps support anything shorter than top>day yet?
Note that "all" is all communities someone on your instance has already subscribed too. Still check lemmyverse.net and others to find more.
Same. Choose an instance, sign up. You don't really need to understand the federation stuff (although it helps understand the quirks).
I can see how having communities with the same name across different servers can be confusing for some people though.
Once you understand how federation works, it becomes clear.
A user account "lives" on an instance and communities "live" on one too.
Time to post some cat pictures!
One reason this happens if you made your account on a small instance is that your instance just isnāt federating with very many communities. If youāre the first from your instance to subscribe to a community, try this: Use an explorer like lemmyverse.net to find new communities, copy the url into your home instanceās search field, and it should appear in the results after a few seconds or a refresh. Click the search result and subscribe from there. From then on, that instance will populate everyoneās āAllā tab on your home instance with posts from that community, and āSubscribedā if you remain subscribed
Could you explain this a bit more or link to some info? Im new here too, I thought the whole point was that different instances communicated which communities where hosted through them so It wouldn't matter what instance you have your account with and you will be able to see the different communities from different instances. And to get some jargon right, that intercommunication between instances is the fediverse.
The point is your instance doesn't automatically pull every community in existence, it pulls from communities someone on your instance has already ubscribed to. So yes, you can subscribe to any community*, but you may need to be the first to actually find said community and subscribe no one else has.
When I browse my all feed I see posts from every community that anyone has ever subscribed to on my instance. But if I find one I like elsewhere I can be the first to manually connect (copy paste link) then more people can discover it since I basically added it to their "all" feed too.
Less confusing than I made it sound, and as the user base grows most of the big interesting communities will have been found and federated on instances with decent userbases.
It does matter where your account is because instances will not federate communities until someone from that instance subscribes to that community, and then it only pulls 20 posts and no comments. It will then start pulling everything new thats being posted/commented on that community, but anything before that is basically gone. This means that if you join a new/low userbase instance you will be missing a lot of stuff that was posted, while the larger instances will have way more people subscribed to communities before you even joined therefore having a larger content pool
This is the current and unfortunate situation. I dearly hope that this will change soon, leveling the playing field for young instances, and improving discoverability.
I know you can "boost" on kbin which will refederate it out. I think? Does lemmy have something similar?
What if you link me a post from before my instance federated with the community?
Im not sure what kbins boost does or if theyre even the same as lemmy regarding this problem.
You could forcefully pull posts and comments into your instance by copying their original link and pasting it into your instances search, it will then federate to your instance after a few seconds but doing that for every post and comment would be stupid unless the admins cam somehow automate it
You got it right, sometimes there's even communities with the same name on different instances.
I've been using sub.rehab to find communities.
There is content but finding and making use of it is kind of obnoxious at the moment. I am very hopeful that workarounds will soon be available to smooth it out. However being subscribed to some random communities doesn't scratch the itch people have because the point is to have meaningful participation. Your own report is that you have not yet learned to use this platform to its potential.
I have been wondering what percentage of the smarty pants ppl bragging about how not-difficult lemmy is have simply failed to grasp it. It is inherently complex. It makes no sense because it was designed to accommodate significant dynamism. In the past few weeks, the partially-complete implementation has been pushed to the max. If you are satisfied with a small, narrow window onto that, you can pick it up pretty quick and keep it simple. But you are missing a lot too.
What do you think a lot of people are missing?
Nah, there just isn't much content yet. I haven't failed to grasp it, I'm subscribed to all of the relevant communities I'm interested in across multiple instances(ex: I'm subbed to like 5-6 of the most popular c/gaming). There just isn't much in them yet.
Iāve literally had a conversation like
āthe fediverse is too complexā
āItās actually pretty simple when you get the hang of it, it took me like 5 minutes to understand itā
āThatās 5 minutes too much, everything is simple once you get the hang of it, actually simple things are intuitive from the startā
As if when youāre born you already have the knowledge required to browse Facebook in your brain. You have to āget the hangā of everything you use, thereās just more complex and less complex stuff (and 5 minutes is very much on the lower end).
It's a Stockholm syndrome kind of thing. They've been under the control of social media companies so long they've gotten to like it. It's scary to leave that control.
I have choices? No, that doesn't make any sense!
I think people get some degree of choice paralysis as well. It's hard to pick which instance to join, and I worried about what I might miss out on. I ended up making accounts on a few and messed around until I settled on Lemmy.world. I could see this being a barrier for entry and forcing some people to just stick with the easy road, Plebbit.
Federation made no sense to me either, but everyone just said to make an account somewhere and start using it. Thatās what I did and, while I donāt pretend to understand the back end, the stuff Iām using makes perfect sense to me.
99% of us don't give a shit about federation. Just give me the memes!
After a few days you wonāt even remember that there are different servers. It will feel like one.
That's the cool big idea in my eyes.
Like, you see a different thing after the @, but it's all in one place so it doesn't reeeeally matter.
That's what I keep saying. Stop trying to explain it. Just have them sign up and start consuming content. They'll get the basics by osmosis eventually
But then we end up with everyone on lemmy.world and kbin.social
Does that really matter, provided the servers don't melt?
Kind of, I know the lemmy.world guy was already well known to those into fedi, and Earnest has been very transparent with everything, but just in principle I'm a little cautious just because part of the advantage here is no central control.
Even if it never becomes about money, say someone gets hit by a bus, and whoever gains control either doesn't understand or can't cope with it and passes it on to someone else, or maybe even just shuts the whole thing down. I'm sure there are checks being put in place but I'd still hate to see some freak tragedy or something take out a good portion of the users and communities here. Even if the content would have still already federated out.
Yeah, lemmy.world got so popular for a reason and I trust Ruud. I see where you're coming from and don't disagree but you can't get too paranoid either, shit can always happen. I hope account migration (and maybe even mirroring/linking across instances) gets implemented eventually because that would really make the system bulletproof.
I don't mean to sound like I'm super smart or anything but I didn't have any issue figuring out mastodon or lemmy.
I think the larger issue is people won't take three minutes to read some basic instructions and background. They want to be spoon feed info and told what buttons to click.
True, and I spent almost a month holding the spoon, but now with Sync dead I'm hoping the rest can feed themselves.
To be fair, if it were spoon fed to people, it would be more popular. The best thing for federation is if it were much easier to get into for the average person.
Agreed but it needs to catch up to the current influx before we make it any easier :P
Hey @smokeydonuts I like your name ;)
Is there a good guide that summarizes everything? The docs make sense to me, but I also understand the technical parts of Lemmy too (I'm a backend dev). I think something that introduced Lemmy (and the Fediverse in general) that had visualizations.and everything would go a long way for some people. Maybe a short video or something too.
That's true and it's growing fast enough that it doesn't need any help in that department, but increasing ease of use and lowering the barrier to entry are major factors in software design. Hopefully, the 3rd party app devs that no longer have Reddit apps to maintain make the switch easier in the future.
I'm having issue figuring out how it works interacting from one side to other. I know lemmy.world can interact with mastodon instance via whatever activity pubsub thing they have, but for instance, can I log into the mastodon app with my lemmyworld account? I know I can post there somehow, but all the web mentions of it are like, pasting the url links in proper order like I'm in the pre-dial-up age or something.
A much more cohesive unification is needed.
Fucking five, I miss him.
What an incredible actor he is. Everyone on the show is great, but he is really, really good.
I'm so high I thought the top pic was of the Jonas Brothers š
I think that this also helps one figure out Lemmy.
So relatable lol. I feel like an expert but I have only been using it for a few weeks
I used reddit for like, a few days. Dunno how this place is confusing, maybe adaptation pains?
What is this from?
Umbrella Academy
Great show.
I could never get past those rubber gorilla arms on season one. I know I'm probably missing out... lol.
The guy lived on the moon for a bit so... bound to be a little off. The whole show is a little helter skelter but I think that's what makes it so great. Creative and unexpected with pinch of time travel, yum.
After a while, Five fully became whatever his old age is in the story. I stopped seeing a sixteen year old pretty quickly and that's what pulled me in.
Yeah I've seen enough positive feedback on it that I'll probably wait for the last season to air then binge it all at once.
It's a gonzo superhero show on Netflix. It's weirdo fun based on a very, very silly comic book. I enjoy it, but if you don't you'll know pretty quickly. Check it out.
Wth is federation?
You're on lemmy.ca, I'm not, but I can still see and reply to your comment
To add to that we're commenting on a post from a third instance neither one of us are on.
Welcome, eh?
Imagine if [Thingā¢] was like email, that's federation. Different servers with their own rules that all connect with each other to provide the same service
Instances are a bit like usenet servers. Simple. š
Now you just need to remember usenet or know it still exists.
Never even heard of it.
I'm guessing you're young and/or not a pirate?
Itās from the show umbrella academy itās on Netflix.
Love the burn; like taco sauce in my ass