Plans for Saudi Arabia’s linear city cut from 170km to 2.4km
newcivilengineer.com
Saudi Arabia’s wildly ambitious plan to build 500m tall, mirrored, 170km long parallel skyscrapers, forming a 1.5M population desert city has been curtailed to 2.4km long.
The news was broken by the financial news publication Bloomberg, which said that Saudi Arabia’s government had “scaled back its medium-term ambitions” for Neom, of which The Line is the most significant sub-project.
The Saudi government had hoped to have 1.5M residents living in The Line by 2030, but this has been scaled back to fewer than 300,000, according to the report. It is unclear how it intends to house a higher concentration of people considering the proposed length (and therefore area) has been massively slashed.
The stupidest idea for a city that I've ever heard has gotten marginally less stupid.
At least now you can get from one side to the other quickly in an emergency.
Not that they'll even build these 2.4 km.
I think it came up like this: Saudi king at his last visit at Chinese Wall. „Uw, one can see it from the space? That’s awesome.“ At home: „Servants, build something as big as the Chinese Wall that is visible from the space, so everyone sees how great I am.“
I'm pretty sure the whole "can be seen from space" is wrong.
Ever used Google Maps? Everything can be seen from space.
Some things are too small to be seen from anywhere.
Like ur dick
lol gottem
You can't see it with the naked eye, but only with magnification
That's just existing with extra steps.
As if he cares
It was the crown prince, not the king, but I'm pretty sure that's more or less how it went.
That would be crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, because king Salman has retired in all but name
Is that bone saw cunt, or some other auth piece of shit cunt?
That is Mr. Bone Saw(MBS)
I live in the city (Terre Haute, Indiana) where Mr. Kashoggi, the man who was murdered by MBS, went to school (Indiana State University) and there was very little outcry, which saddened me greatly.
Well yeah, he wasn’t white.
Honestly, that is not a big Terre Haute problem today compared to a lot of Indiana. While it is still by far majority white, there is a sizable black population compared to a lot of other Indiana towns this size and there's no "black part of town," it's thoroughly integrated. As far as Kashoggi is concerned, there also is a large enough local Muslim population to support a mosque. ISU is also a progressive school despite being in Indiana they are very big on multiculturalism. I don't know what the Muslim population of the school is, but enough that you would notice and the school does have public celebrations of holidays like Eid, so it was actually surprising.
Now, I admit that was not always the case. In fact, a little over a century ago, Terre Haute was the site of an absolutely horrific lynching of a black man. And, of course, since this is Indiana, there is not a total lack of racism. But compared to other parts of the state I've been to, it's doing relatively well on that front.
I was thinking more of the systemic racism that’s supposedly not a thing in America depending on how far in the sand one’s head is buried. Definitely happy to know sentiments are improving locally, though.
Oh there's definitely that everywhere, for sure. I just was surprised it wasn't a big deal at least at ISU, but it wasn't. I know because I not only worked there at the time, but in the marketing department taking photos and videos of ISU events of pretty much any sort and no one in my department was sent to document anything.
Oh thank god it's an ally of the free world and not some bad guy.
Yes it’s Mr Bone Saw
Ask anyone who's ever built a house and they can tell you what a stupid fucking idea it would be to have a foundation that large.
Even if they somehow had some magical way to solve the foundation issue, with the original plan... could you imagine having to go from one part of the city to another for pretty much any reason? In a linear city? You better hope that other part is really close. Especially if it's a personal medical issue or a dying loved one.
Also: this city has only one road. How is traffic going to be? Better hope you somehow get a flat near your work, and that everyone else does too, and that nobody ever moves or cha'mnges job for any reason. This is such a horsehit project I'm surprised the guy who proposed it didn't get thrown out of the window like in the meme.
Their plan was to have most people commute by train and have a veritable army of self-driving trains. That's easily the most well thought part of the harebrained idea.
Not just train
Hyperloop
You know the thing that totally exists and wasn’t a scam to stop California from installing high speed rail that would cut into a certain company’s EV sales.
Never mind commuter traffic, imagine how long it would take necessary commodities to the right places in a timely manner!
I never looked into it more than a tertiary "Holy shit that looks dumb," and yet somehow it's even dumber than I thought!
I mean, how is it any different to any other multi km wide city?
For one thing, you can avoid congestion.
Sorry, I mean those saying I hope you don't need to get to the other side, or what if you move.
Like I said- if you need to get to the other side of a normal city, you can avoid congestion by taking a different route.
In a linear city, there is only one route. If there is a traffic jam or a train derailment in a linear city, there are no alternative routes. Not even for an ambulance.
I would assume you have two routes, one either side, both directions for this exact reason.
If anything it will be more reliable and cost effective as every mass transit can be used by anyone.
It's very easy for one truck crash to block off both directions of a road. Even a very wide road. I know because I've experienced it.
I'm really not sure why you don't understand why having multiple alternate routes from A to B would be a big advantage.
Im saying two separate highways, one on either side rather than two directions next to each other.
I live in a city full of peninsulas and harbours - well aware how much it sucks having one way in and out of places. The difference is that they were never planned and designed for current volumes, vehicles and logistics - this can be.
I thought the proposed plans had multiple level high speed rails inside?
Oh, I know that one - Tesla would solve it with hyperloop and boring /s
This is a good place to have elon's little super tube!!
Do we have a list of stupid city ideas? I think El Salvador’s Bitcoin City and Egypt’s new capital should belong there.
If you're interested in the inner workings of shitty civic planning check out James C. Scott's Seeing Like a State. He's an anthropologist who took a particular interest in why top-down societies always seem to miss the mark in infrastructure, ecology, agriculture, and social services (among others). A significant portion of the book is spent critically analyzing Le Corbusier's work and his ideological contemporaries. With Brasilia as a case study for the failures of "high modernist" ideology and design philosophy. It's a great read and I think a lot of these new urban planning projects that are obviously insane and impractical owe a lot to these batshit crazy people from the past that founded this particular flavor of foolish
There's Brasilia & Fordlandia (also in Brazil).
This is truly the most moronic project ever, but at least I had a good laugh about it today.
It's even dumber than dumping sand into the ocean in the shape of a palm tree and calling it a suburb.
I got a brilliant idea: extend it slightly to the sides, maybe in a round shape. This allows for a more efficient way to house a high concentration of people.
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Huge waste of time and money. That effort could be focused on many better and more reasonable projects. This is what happens when fucking idiots get a ton of money inherited from their parents. We should never have relied on Saudi oil, it's been a drain on humanity.
I think at that point it's a town.
Lol
desert sun's rays nuke the lake in front of glass wall/city
"Where lake go?"
That's not a big problem since this is in a desert. Getting any water there in the first place is the problem. And, based on the mockups I saw, there's supposed to be a lot of greenery.
water policies of saudi arabia are straight up insane. riyadh takes half of water from seashore desalination plants (that burn massive amounts of oil, so big that it cuts into their oil revenue very significantly). for the other half, they have somehow found non-renewable water, literal fossil water, and it'll run out in decade (might have misremembered). at the same time there are no water meters in the city at all
Apparently Ireland hasn't billed for water either, and the prospect of the introduction of billing had activists objecting on grounds like "you can't charge for water, water is life-critical and a human right". I remember reading comments on /r/Europe from Irish readers who were really upset at the prospect of needing to pay for water.
googles
It looks like as implemented, billing is only for households that use substantially more than the average and start going out late this year:
https://www.moneyguideireland.com/water-charges-2017-new-rules.html
ireland has less issues with potable water supply i suspect
also unrelated but why are you googling loudly
You've missed the point that the government had relatively recently introduced a 'temporary' Universal Service Charge during the recession and had not (and have not to this day) removed it. I was in favour of metering water but the argument wasn't as simplistic as you're making it.
Ireland being a low density country with an inundation of fresh water rain and springs is certainly worth mentioning when comparing with Saudi Arabia though...
It would just fry anyone who stands there for more than five minutes.
probably beats living in saudi arabia
I don't know it's probably great for Bonesaw McKillajournalist.
But do they have enough millionaires to house in there?
1 mile is not a city. it's smaller than the park next to my house
I guess they read about China’s recent success with a fusion reactor.
How recent are you talking and by what measure of success? Because I'm not finding anything when I search and, as far as I know, the world is still a long way away from fusion as a practical energy source.
Try South Korea instead. I think they're the ones who achieved a 48s run recently.
China sustained 158 million degrees Fahrenheit (70 million degrees Celsius) for 1,056 seconds.
I wouldn't call that a practical energy source either.
https://www.livescience.com/chinas-1-trillion-artificial-sun-fusion-reactor-just-got-five-times-hotter-than-the-sun
So by "recent," you meant 2022 and by "success," you mean running 17 minutes.
How long do you think you can power a city with those 17 minutes of fusion?
Because my guess is around 17 minutes.
It’s a substantial leap in proof of concept. The previous record was 17s. They’re opening up all research that led to the success, with many scientists claiming potential for controlled applications within 20 years.
Even improved harnessing and storage of 158M°F could allow the reactor to work in modulation. It’s a big deal in the science community.
"Many scientists" like the ones who have been claiming that my entire life since the 1980s?
Can you show me any of their peer-reviewed journal articles that say so?
And considering your definitions of "recent" and "success" turned out to be a little on the untrue side, I'm not inclined to believe your "big deal" claim either.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9256834/
You do know the difference between a peer-reviewed journal article and a regurgitated press release on a site called 'Nuclear Newsire,' right?
Corrected. Here’s another.
Both of your links are just reviews of nuclear fusion progress. The first one, China specifically, the second one, multiple projects. Neither of them make any sort of claim that I can see about practical nuclear fusion being 20 years away.
You seem to have a major honesty problem.
There’s no need for personal attacks. If you read them, both articles have updated sustained fusion reaction times based on China’s successful experiment. The only nation currently investing heavily into further research is China, but they have released all research for the scientific community. If I were to speculate, it would be because this technology would save a communist nation billions, while costing a capitalist nation just the same.
It is not a personal attack. Virtually everything you have said has been dishonest.
You said it was recent. It was 2 years ago.
You said it was a success. It was 17 minutes.
You said scientists claim that practical fusion is 20 years away. Your evidence did not make that claim.
You can speculate all you like, but your actual claims have been false. Repeatedly.
fusion won't generate anything but hype. if you want reliable power source, just build normal uranium fueled nuclear powerplants like a responsible government, not overhyped garbage like hedge fund manager that just got his shipment of good idea powder