i think people underestimate the impact having access to wikipedia has had on the world. really an amazingly important part of the internet and the sharing of knowledge
Going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole is worse than going down a Street View rabbit hole. Ahh I can spend an entire day doing it!
Good old wiki walking, you never realize what you're doing until a few hours in, and even then you can't stop.
Or the high speed car chase equivalent of it, find hitler
You're right, although if you ever get the chance to browse a real physical encyclopedia, it's a unique experience.
Not practical, but it's a bit like playing a record or playing a game on a real NES. It's a unique experience.
I have a full 2007 set of Encyclopedia Brittanica in the same room as my vintage computer collection. I browse it occasionally.
Oof, felt this right in the geriatric millennials.
Mfer I was doing assignments where I had to scroll through index cards to find the encyclopaedia, then hand write out the essay.
It’s weird when you go from being the disruptor demographic to realising that when your 5 yo kid jokes about the 80s it’s as far away in time to him as the 1940s we’re to me - for him it’s a 2d, pre-Alexa, analog dystopia.
And I’m only 42.
I bought several physical encyclopedias as a a result of my Wikipedia addiction. Having physical encyclopedias to fall back on is a plus, as their information can't be taken down by deletionists. I also got the Encarta isos off archive.org running in 86box.
I got suckered by an encyclopedia salesman when I was younger. It was one of the biggest wastes of money of my young life. I had no need for it at that time and later, when I could have used it, I had the internet (or Internet with a capital I back then) and college libraries.
I just love the fact that Jimmy Wales started Wikipedia using the money he made in softcore internet porn.
Jimmy Wales does sound like a porn name.
It's got a Jackie Treehorn vibe to it.
I really enjoy Mastodon so much more than twitter
The quality of the discussion is miles away from Twitter. People are nice and a lot less of toxicity. Mastodon is amazing as Lemmy.
There was a scientific paper I read semi recently that showed that researchers who post on Mastodon get much higher quality interaction than on Twitter (and I think a few other social-media type places, but it was mainly Mastodon vs Twitter). There was overall less interaction on Mastodon (unsurprisingly), but also that this difference has been diminishing as Mastodon grows. My takeaway is that if you want engagement, go Mastodon.
I highly prefer quality to quantity. It's better for then mental health.
Unpopular opinion? Mastodon is a better Twitter than Lemmy is a better Reddit.
So many duplicated communities in Lemmy makes managing subscription impossible.
Reddits quality main appeal also is its past threads whereas on Twitter is rarely about what was tweeted but rather what’s the latest thing that’s happening.
Lemmy will need time and it might never replace reddit. But I look forward to the quality interactions with everyone here!
Unpopular opinion? Mastodon is a better Twitter than Lemmy is a better Reddit.
That's not unpopular, that's just fact. I enjoy Lemmy but it's fairly new. Mastodon has been around for a while longer and is a much more mature platform with more QOL features because of that. Comparing them on that basis doesn't really prove or mean anything at this point. Of course the teenager is more developed than the toddler, that's how it works. Lemmy will get to the same place with time.
From a product perspective, I really disagree.
Twitter’s value is/was that it was ubiquitous. Everyone (important) was there and it was the only Twitter-like thing that there was. Even the Pope tweets. I guarantee you the Pope will never be on Mastodon. Not that any of us necessarily care about updates from the Pope or Lebron James or whoever, but your favorite journalist was, and the developers of all your favorite indie iOS apps were, and if you live in a city, your local public transit authority was likely there as well. Twitter was really the only place for microblogging type of content.
On the other hand, Reddit is, by nature, just a centralized collection of forums, which I think is far more easily recreated in a decentralized way. You already have posts organized into communities, now with Lemmy we’re just adding another layer of organization on top of that. As another commenter said, much of Reddit’s value is that it was the place where someone asked the same question you now have and so you can read those answers, but Twitter’s value really is for real time communications.
The issue I see with both frankly is search. It can be kinda hard with either to find the community/discussions that are interesting and relevant to you, but hopefully that will improve.
I guarantee you the Pope will never be on Mastodon
Doubt that. Vatican uses Linux, if it gets popular enough they're for sure going to have their own Mastodon instance. When you're a big org like them, control matters more than dollar amounts. A recruiting and comms tool that they own end-to-end, except for the protocol (that they can block or mod anytime)? They'd love it. Having a Vatican.va Mastodon handle if you work for them would probably carry cachet with Catholics.
You’re insane if you actually believe that this will happen, but also I hope it does. I reckon they’re more likely to change their position on homosexuality.
It's not anywhere as crazy as it seems. The Vatican already airs mass in Esperanto, for example, and has done so for quite a long time. Just installing a docker image with Masto in one of their VPSes and setting up and auth connected to some other central services they also already have is perfectly within the reaches of such a small indie dev.
They are not duplicated (just the same name) and it's not impossible to subscribe to them all with a few clicks.
I read somewhere this is an upcoming feature. Let's say you subscribe "memes" then you got shown all communities named "memes" from federated servers combined.
How do you find good people to follow? There aren’t all too many meme or comedy accounts and that really all I’m looking for. It seems pretty serious on there unless I’m just being dumb. I’m on mastadon.social
I’m also seeing a bunch of posts not in English, sometimes nearly half so that gets annoying
You need to follow hashtags and groups related to your interest. Groups will boost the toots and make them visible. When you follow a group, it's like following hundreds of people at once.
When tooting, you have to mention groups and not only hashtags. The groups will boost the toot for visibility.
It's a vit of practice with groups and hashtags.
It requires a bit of work, since there isn't an algorithm to do that for you.
I've been following hashtags for things I enjoy. #gaming, #videogames, #steamdeck, #android, etc.
You should try changing instance. I started on mastodon.social and had the same problem as you. Find an instance that meets your interests and sign in. Then you can transfer your followers (only your followers, that's not really good 🫤)
I can look around, thanks for the advice. Luckily I don’t post or anything so I don’t care about transferring accounts. Haven’t used it all too much
What server would you recommend starting? I joined mastodon.world and I have trouble looking for things I'm interested in to follow.
It's not the server on Mastodon but the hashtags. Put in an area of interest and you can follow that entire hash tag. For instance, put in #cars and see what comes up.
Yes, follow lots of hashtags of interest, and follow lots of people that post stuff you're interested in. I've seen it said before that once you have about 200 accounts you're following you will have a nice volume of interesting posts in your home feed.
Use hashtags and search across all instances. Follow people who interest you.
This is great to see. I love when big players make moves into the fediverse, because it educates the masses. I'm a nobody on the internet advocating for privacy, security, and ethical social media... and I can advocate til my fingers bleed.
But when companies, publications, celebrities, and others of influence do this, it creates awareness and opens their mind up a bit into the platforms, why they're important, etc. And even if they don't understand federation at first, at least it's a touchpoint. A bit of exposure into how we can have a better, open, and private web.
I'm just going to take the opportunity to talk about that Wikipedia is free, it doesn't have advertisement, all the data is freely accesible and your privacy is respected, is just maintained by donations and the community. Just looking around other platforms I think they do an amazing job, so consider to donate today to keep it that way.
they have more than enough money to keep the server running for decades. not to say you don't need to donate, but you don't need to impulse donate every time the big header appears.
To be fully transparent I donate 1 dollar a day, I just appreciate what they do, and I would like to have more services that are able to keep it that way, sadly that is not the case.
I donate about 100 USD a year, give or take. I figured it's worth it for as much as I use Wikipedia
As someone who can't afford to donate, I appreciate you.
As someone who can't afford to donate to them, I appreciate you.
When I get their email every year asking me to repeat my donation it seems like they are a bit in trouble. They are not?
That’s how they collect the surplus they have right now. Without it, they could be in much direr straits if funding were to be suddenly cut off.
Wait until the editors catch on. The donation banner will start including
❗ some people do not agree that this donation request is completely accurate.
I think all big orgs, NGOs, news agencies should do this.
Yes! Also Governmemt agencies.
The Dutch government had created a mastodon server
that's excellent! I wonder if they'll keep their WT Social network going. Does anyone use it?
I don't really use it, but I noticed that they just launched a new version.
https://wts2.wt.social
I was wondering if they might port it to an ActivityPub instance
Great news!
Ooooh!! This is exciting!
I just realized it’s fediverse, I’ve been reading it as frediverse.
There should be an instance of just Freds that's called the Frediverse. You have to send them ID to prove your name is actually Fred and only Freds are allowed on the instance. I'd follow those communities as a non-Fred.
I have a Mastodon account since May 2022 but didn't really use it.
I recently tried to see if I find interesting accounts to follow but didn't find much that fit my interests.
Any advice on how to find good accounts to follow?
Search for hashtags first, like #TopicOfInterestToMe. Follow those. Then, look for people who post interesting stuff in the hashtags you follow. Follow them. The trick to Mastodon is to follow, follow, follow. This may also be a good starting point to find interesting people to follow: https://fedi.directory/
Curating your follows does take a minute in the beginning. This is a good starting point: https://discover.fedified.com/
That's honestly kind of a short list of accounts, considering that most of the accounts listed there exist in multiple categories on the menu. And maybe this is just me being out of touch, but I didn't recognize a single person in any of the lists.
Mastodon really needs some help getting popular figures onto the platform. Hopefully Threads at least starts to open some opportunities in that regard once they begin federating.
I don't disagree. You're probably unlikely to find the same people on Mastodon that you followed on Twitter or elsewhere. Despite the growth it's still a drop in the bucket of global social media users.
If it means anything, I started out with Mastodon hoping to follow popular figures and very quickly stopped caring for that. It was a lot more fun and interesting to talk to normal people with normal lives. But maybe that's just me.
Who're you hoping to follow? I might be able to recommend a few folks.
Who’re you hoping to follow? I might be able to recommend a few folks.
That's the thing for me, is that I don't actually have anybody in particular that I want to follow. I was never a Twitter user, so I don't really have a list of accounts that I'm looking for. But as a user exploring the platform, it's always good to see names that you recognize, even if you aren't intimately interested in them.
On Twitter, if I came across a post from someone like Bill Nye, for example, I at least know who that is and what they do, and what impact that has in regards to their opinion. But on Mastodon, the top post on my feed will be from Charles Shoemaker, an Arch Linux developer with a passion for backyard composting (just making the name up, sorry to any Charles Shoemakers out there who I have just slandered). As somebody who may be just browsing the platform idly, it makes it harder to care about the content I'm seeing, if I have no idea who the people are or why I should feel connected to them.
Obviously, that's what a lot of people come here for, though. And I also get that and think it's great, but I think that it would be better-suited to a longer-form platform (perhaps a Fedi-platform that's formatted a bit more like old versions of Facebook, when they still had a focus on user-to-user engagement). I feel like microblogging is meant for feed-scrolling behavior, but the majority of Mastodon users want it to be more like full-blog engagement. Though, I'm still exploring that part of the Fediverse myself, so maybe I'm just looking at it through a narrow lens right now.
Makes sense. Could also give the mastodon community a little longer to mature.
Yeah, I wanna see how things shake out once Meta decides to federate. I think Mastodon's going to see some pretty significant shifts when that happens.
You follow the people that share the same interests than you. What are you interested in? What do you expect people suggest you? It is totally depended on what you have for hobbies or the topics you are interested in. If I tell you to follow a Football-Player, a local politician or a niche PCB Designer, what would that give you? Find out what things you are interested in and then find the people connected to those interests.
Beautiful to see Wikipedia throwing their weight into it! Just beautiful to see this spiraling.
I hope custom algorithms become an option. I like chronological feeds but would love to have chronological feeds that show me a post based on my likes after 3 posts or so. It would make it much easier to discover new blender artists like is possible on twitter
I came up with an idea (on my alt account ^.^) to improve discoverability... it's more focused on instance or group discovery, though it may be doable for users with a probabalistic reverse index for efficiency. See: https://infosec.pub/post/429743
Heck I would settle for just seeing a post from a person once I my feed, instead of seeing the last reply, then other posts, then the second-to-last reply, then after a lot more scrolling finally seeing the original post.
The problem with chronological feeds is that prolific posters in your timezone just take it over and you never see stuff from people in other timezones or infrequent posters.
That Facebook better stay away from the whole fediverse but I have a feeling zuck will try to fuck it up.
i think people underestimate the impact having access to wikipedia has had on the world. really an amazingly important part of the internet and the sharing of knowledge
Going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole is worse than going down a Street View rabbit hole. Ahh I can spend an entire day doing it!
Good old wiki walking, you never realize what you're doing until a few hours in, and even then you can't stop.
Or the high speed car chase equivalent of it, find hitler
You're right, although if you ever get the chance to browse a real physical encyclopedia, it's a unique experience.
Not practical, but it's a bit like playing a record or playing a game on a real NES. It's a unique experience.
I have a full 2007 set of Encyclopedia Brittanica in the same room as my vintage computer collection. I browse it occasionally.
Oof, felt this right in the geriatric millennials.
Mfer I was doing assignments where I had to scroll through index cards to find the encyclopaedia, then hand write out the essay.
It’s weird when you go from being the disruptor demographic to realising that when your 5 yo kid jokes about the 80s it’s as far away in time to him as the 1940s we’re to me - for him it’s a 2d, pre-Alexa, analog dystopia.
And I’m only 42.
I bought several physical encyclopedias as a a result of my Wikipedia addiction. Having physical encyclopedias to fall back on is a plus, as their information can't be taken down by deletionists. I also got the Encarta isos off archive.org running in 86box.
I got suckered by an encyclopedia salesman when I was younger. It was one of the biggest wastes of money of my young life. I had no need for it at that time and later, when I could have used it, I had the internet (or Internet with a capital I back then) and college libraries.
I just love the fact that Jimmy Wales started Wikipedia using the money he made in softcore internet porn.
Jimmy Wales does sound like a porn name.
It's got a Jackie Treehorn vibe to it.
I really enjoy Mastodon so much more than twitter
The quality of the discussion is miles away from Twitter. People are nice and a lot less of toxicity. Mastodon is amazing as Lemmy.
There was a scientific paper I read semi recently that showed that researchers who post on Mastodon get much higher quality interaction than on Twitter (and I think a few other social-media type places, but it was mainly Mastodon vs Twitter). There was overall less interaction on Mastodon (unsurprisingly), but also that this difference has been diminishing as Mastodon grows. My takeaway is that if you want engagement, go Mastodon.
I highly prefer quality to quantity. It's better for then mental health.
Unpopular opinion? Mastodon is a better Twitter than Lemmy is a better Reddit.
So many duplicated communities in Lemmy makes managing subscription impossible.
Reddits quality main appeal also is its past threads whereas on Twitter is rarely about what was tweeted but rather what’s the latest thing that’s happening.
Lemmy will need time and it might never replace reddit. But I look forward to the quality interactions with everyone here!
That's not unpopular, that's just fact. I enjoy Lemmy but it's fairly new. Mastodon has been around for a while longer and is a much more mature platform with more QOL features because of that. Comparing them on that basis doesn't really prove or mean anything at this point. Of course the teenager is more developed than the toddler, that's how it works. Lemmy will get to the same place with time.
From a product perspective, I really disagree.
Twitter’s value is/was that it was ubiquitous. Everyone (important) was there and it was the only Twitter-like thing that there was. Even the Pope tweets. I guarantee you the Pope will never be on Mastodon. Not that any of us necessarily care about updates from the Pope or Lebron James or whoever, but your favorite journalist was, and the developers of all your favorite indie iOS apps were, and if you live in a city, your local public transit authority was likely there as well. Twitter was really the only place for microblogging type of content.
On the other hand, Reddit is, by nature, just a centralized collection of forums, which I think is far more easily recreated in a decentralized way. You already have posts organized into communities, now with Lemmy we’re just adding another layer of organization on top of that. As another commenter said, much of Reddit’s value is that it was the place where someone asked the same question you now have and so you can read those answers, but Twitter’s value really is for real time communications.
The issue I see with both frankly is search. It can be kinda hard with either to find the community/discussions that are interesting and relevant to you, but hopefully that will improve.
Doubt that. Vatican uses Linux, if it gets popular enough they're for sure going to have their own Mastodon instance. When you're a big org like them, control matters more than dollar amounts. A recruiting and comms tool that they own end-to-end, except for the protocol (that they can block or mod anytime)? They'd love it. Having a Vatican.va Mastodon handle if you work for them would probably carry cachet with Catholics.
You’re insane if you actually believe that this will happen, but also I hope it does. I reckon they’re more likely to change their position on homosexuality.
It's not anywhere as crazy as it seems. The Vatican already airs mass in Esperanto, for example, and has done so for quite a long time. Just installing a docker image with Masto in one of their VPSes and setting up and auth connected to some other central services they also already have is perfectly within the reaches of such a small indie dev.
They are not duplicated (just the same name) and it's not impossible to subscribe to them all with a few clicks.
Use https://lemmyverse.net/communities and simply search for communities and subscribe to them.
I read somewhere this is an upcoming feature. Let's say you subscribe "memes" then you got shown all communities named "memes" from federated servers combined.
How do you find good people to follow? There aren’t all too many meme or comedy accounts and that really all I’m looking for. It seems pretty serious on there unless I’m just being dumb. I’m on mastadon.social
I’m also seeing a bunch of posts not in English, sometimes nearly half so that gets annoying
You need to follow hashtags and groups related to your interest. Groups will boost the toots and make them visible. When you follow a group, it's like following hundreds of people at once.
When tooting, you have to mention groups and not only hashtags. The groups will boost the toot for visibility.
It's a vit of practice with groups and hashtags.
It requires a bit of work, since there isn't an algorithm to do that for you.
I've been following hashtags for things I enjoy. #gaming, #videogames, #steamdeck, #android, etc.
You should try changing instance. I started on mastodon.social and had the same problem as you. Find an instance that meets your interests and sign in. Then you can transfer your followers (only your followers, that's not really good 🫤)
I can look around, thanks for the advice. Luckily I don’t post or anything so I don’t care about transferring accounts. Haven’t used it all too much
What server would you recommend starting? I joined mastodon.world and I have trouble looking for things I'm interested in to follow.
It's not the server on Mastodon but the hashtags. Put in an area of interest and you can follow that entire hash tag. For instance, put in #cars and see what comes up.
Yes, follow lots of hashtags of interest, and follow lots of people that post stuff you're interested in. I've seen it said before that once you have about 200 accounts you're following you will have a nice volume of interesting posts in your home feed.
Use hashtags and search across all instances. Follow people who interest you.
This is great to see. I love when big players make moves into the fediverse, because it educates the masses. I'm a nobody on the internet advocating for privacy, security, and ethical social media... and I can advocate til my fingers bleed.
But when companies, publications, celebrities, and others of influence do this, it creates awareness and opens their mind up a bit into the platforms, why they're important, etc. And even if they don't understand federation at first, at least it's a touchpoint. A bit of exposure into how we can have a better, open, and private web.
I'm just going to take the opportunity to talk about that Wikipedia is free, it doesn't have advertisement, all the data is freely accesible and your privacy is respected, is just maintained by donations and the community. Just looking around other platforms I think they do an amazing job, so consider to donate today to keep it that way.
they have more than enough money to keep the server running for decades. not to say you don't need to donate, but you don't need to impulse donate every time the big header appears.
To be fully transparent I donate 1 dollar a day, I just appreciate what they do, and I would like to have more services that are able to keep it that way, sadly that is not the case.
I donate about 100 USD a year, give or take. I figured it's worth it for as much as I use Wikipedia
As someone who can't afford to donate, I appreciate you.
As someone who can't afford to donate to them, I appreciate you.
When I get their email every year asking me to repeat my donation it seems like they are a bit in trouble. They are not?
That’s how they collect the surplus they have right now. Without it, they could be in much direr straits if funding were to be suddenly cut off.
Wait until the editors catch on. The donation banner will start including
This adds a lot of legitimacy to the fediverse
I think all big orgs, NGOs, news agencies should do this.
Yes! Also Governmemt agencies.
The Dutch government had created a mastodon server
that's excellent! I wonder if they'll keep their WT Social network going. Does anyone use it?
I don't really use it, but I noticed that they just launched a new version. https://wts2.wt.social
I was wondering if they might port it to an ActivityPub instance
Great news!
Ooooh!! This is exciting!
I just realized it’s fediverse, I’ve been reading it as frediverse.
There should be an instance of just Freds that's called the Frediverse. You have to send them ID to prove your name is actually Fred and only Freds are allowed on the instance. I'd follow those communities as a non-Fred.
Would they be Frederated?
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=RvabroJUBV4
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.
I have a Mastodon account since May 2022 but didn't really use it.
I recently tried to see if I find interesting accounts to follow but didn't find much that fit my interests.
Any advice on how to find good accounts to follow?
Search for hashtags first, like #TopicOfInterestToMe. Follow those. Then, look for people who post interesting stuff in the hashtags you follow. Follow them. The trick to Mastodon is to follow, follow, follow. This may also be a good starting point to find interesting people to follow: https://fedi.directory/
Curating your follows does take a minute in the beginning. This is a good starting point: https://discover.fedified.com/
That's honestly kind of a short list of accounts, considering that most of the accounts listed there exist in multiple categories on the menu. And maybe this is just me being out of touch, but I didn't recognize a single person in any of the lists.
Mastodon really needs some help getting popular figures onto the platform. Hopefully Threads at least starts to open some opportunities in that regard once they begin federating.
I don't disagree. You're probably unlikely to find the same people on Mastodon that you followed on Twitter or elsewhere. Despite the growth it's still a drop in the bucket of global social media users.
If it means anything, I started out with Mastodon hoping to follow popular figures and very quickly stopped caring for that. It was a lot more fun and interesting to talk to normal people with normal lives. But maybe that's just me.
Who're you hoping to follow? I might be able to recommend a few folks.
That's the thing for me, is that I don't actually have anybody in particular that I want to follow. I was never a Twitter user, so I don't really have a list of accounts that I'm looking for. But as a user exploring the platform, it's always good to see names that you recognize, even if you aren't intimately interested in them.
On Twitter, if I came across a post from someone like Bill Nye, for example, I at least know who that is and what they do, and what impact that has in regards to their opinion. But on Mastodon, the top post on my feed will be from Charles Shoemaker, an Arch Linux developer with a passion for backyard composting (just making the name up, sorry to any Charles Shoemakers out there who I have just slandered). As somebody who may be just browsing the platform idly, it makes it harder to care about the content I'm seeing, if I have no idea who the people are or why I should feel connected to them.
Obviously, that's what a lot of people come here for, though. And I also get that and think it's great, but I think that it would be better-suited to a longer-form platform (perhaps a Fedi-platform that's formatted a bit more like old versions of Facebook, when they still had a focus on user-to-user engagement). I feel like microblogging is meant for feed-scrolling behavior, but the majority of Mastodon users want it to be more like full-blog engagement. Though, I'm still exploring that part of the Fediverse myself, so maybe I'm just looking at it through a narrow lens right now.
Makes sense. Could also give the mastodon community a little longer to mature.
Yeah, I wanna see how things shake out once Meta decides to federate. I think Mastodon's going to see some pretty significant shifts when that happens.
You follow the people that share the same interests than you. What are you interested in? What do you expect people suggest you? It is totally depended on what you have for hobbies or the topics you are interested in. If I tell you to follow a Football-Player, a local politician or a niche PCB Designer, what would that give you? Find out what things you are interested in and then find the people connected to those interests.
Good tips here:
https://fedi.tips/how-do-i-find-accounts-to-follow-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse-how-do-i-find-my-friends/
Beautiful to see Wikipedia throwing their weight into it! Just beautiful to see this spiraling.
I hope custom algorithms become an option. I like chronological feeds but would love to have chronological feeds that show me a post based on my likes after 3 posts or so. It would make it much easier to discover new blender artists like is possible on twitter
I came up with an idea (on my alt account ^.^) to improve discoverability... it's more focused on instance or group discovery, though it may be doable for users with a probabalistic reverse index for efficiency. See: https://infosec.pub/post/429743
Heck I would settle for just seeing a post from a person once I my feed, instead of seeing the last reply, then other posts, then the second-to-last reply, then after a lot more scrolling finally seeing the original post.
The problem with chronological feeds is that prolific posters in your timezone just take it over and you never see stuff from people in other timezones or infrequent posters.
That Facebook better stay away from the whole fediverse but I have a feeling zuck will try to fuck it up.