Hamas and Netanyahus rhetoric; name a more iconic due.
These fuckers fit hand and fucking glove.
Netanyahu: Hamas is a terrorist organization that wants to eliminate the Jewish nation
Hamas: yeah he’s right
That's why Nethanyahu funded them.
All his investments paid off in this neat little casus belli.
He allowed Hamas to be funded but it's still horrific the hand he had in making this monster. He allowed Hamas to grow so it would fight those looking to negotiate toward a two-state solution.
For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.
Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.
Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.
Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.
Since Netanyahu returned to power in January 2023, the number of work permits has soared to nearly 20,000.
Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza.
Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip.
Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.
Nowhere does this say that Netanyahu funded Hamas.
Both of them have caused so much harm.
Like a well oiled meat grinder.
Netanyahu does not state that killing of civilians is his goal, nor does IDF purposely do that. Imagine the amount of civilian deaths if it were actually IDF’s goal, as it is for Hamas.
Your argument might have more weight if the head of national security wasn't a former member of the Kach party, a group Israel designated a terrorist group in 1994.
If I were a military commander in WW2 with the same technology we have today, and Hitler was out in the open at an elementary school graduation next to a preschool, I would not make that order. Instead, I'd mobilize intelligence agents to get there immediately and tail him, while moving my forces nearby.
I find it hard to believe that Israeli military and intelligence agencies could not track him and wait. The IDF just cares more about their own skin than they do of Palestinian children.
It took the US 10 years to track down Bin Laden, all the while he was still communicating with cells. In your example that is a LOT of quality holocaust time for Hitler.
There is no easy way out of the trolley problem of slippery genocidal targets popping up with a limited time window to execute.
This is an important distinction in my opinion. Does the IDF care if they kill palestinian civilians? No. But they aren't actively trying to murder as many palestinian civilians as they can either.
Being so incredibly nonchalant about killing civilians as the IDF is it's almost an insignificant difference imo.
They aren't? So why did they bomb Jabalia twice?
Quick update, they bombed it a third time today
How should I know. What I do know however is that if the IDF wanted, they could kill many more Gazans.
Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way
The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don't care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn't the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It's the actions of the IDF themselves.
Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that's what they're doing, and that it's working.
Because Hamas has used it as a base for decades…
Just like every other piece of civilian infrastructure.
You say Jabalia like it hasn’t been a city since the 40s. It’s not some tent city. It’s a legitimate city that has been around for decades, which Hamas only took control of after 2007.
Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more.
Tents or not, you're basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I'm afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊
It's a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement.
It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century.
You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here).
what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas.
And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling.
And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊
It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis.
It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete.
Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war.
It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise.
The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me.
Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better.
The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on.
Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UNmade up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians.
They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better.
It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast.
@steventhedev@snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up.
@steventhedev@snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional
Hamas and Netanyahus rhetoric; name a more iconic due.
These fuckers fit hand and fucking glove.
Netanyahu: Hamas is a terrorist organization that wants to eliminate the Jewish nation
Hamas: yeah he’s right
That's why Nethanyahu funded them.
All his investments paid off in this neat little casus belli.
He allowed Hamas to be funded but it's still horrific the hand he had in making this monster. He allowed Hamas to grow so it would fight those looking to negotiate toward a two-state solution.
Proof or it didn't happen
I think this is what @SlikPikker@lemmy.ca is talking about:
Excerpt from For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces by Tal Schneider and published by The Times of Israel.
Just so!
Nowhere does this say that Netanyahu funded Hamas.
Both of them have caused so much harm.
Like a well oiled meat grinder.
Netanyahu does not state that killing of civilians is his goal, nor does IDF purposely do that. Imagine the amount of civilian deaths if it were actually IDF’s goal, as it is for Hamas.
Your argument might have more weight if the head of national security wasn't a former member of the Kach party, a group Israel designated a terrorist group in 1994.
But they kill plenty anyway.
Oops?
Right human shields don't exist
They bombed a refugee camp. Twice.
If I were a military commander in WW2 with the same technology we have today, and Hitler was out in the open at an elementary school graduation next to a preschool, I would not make that order. Instead, I'd mobilize intelligence agents to get there immediately and tail him, while moving my forces nearby.
I find it hard to believe that Israeli military and intelligence agencies could not track him and wait. The IDF just cares more about their own skin than they do of Palestinian children.
It took the US 10 years to track down Bin Laden, all the while he was still communicating with cells. In your example that is a LOT of quality holocaust time for Hitler.
There is no easy way out of the trolley problem of slippery genocidal targets popping up with a limited time window to execute.
Both can exist. Don't get binary.
He doesn't? https://timesofindia.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-cites-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings/articleshow/104802548.cms
This is an important distinction in my opinion. Does the IDF care if they kill palestinian civilians? No. But they aren't actively trying to murder as many palestinian civilians as they can either.
Being so incredibly nonchalant about killing civilians as the IDF is it's almost an insignificant difference imo.
They aren't? So why did they bomb Jabalia twice?
Quick update, they bombed it a third time today
How should I know. What I do know however is that if the IDF wanted, they could kill many more Gazans.
Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way
The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don't care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn't the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It's the actions of the IDF themselves.
Just look at all the times Israel told civilians to move to one place them bombed the shit out of the place.
Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that's what they're doing, and that it's working.
Because Hamas has used it as a base for decades…
Just like every other piece of civilian infrastructure.
You say Jabalia like it hasn’t been a city since the 40s. It’s not some tent city. It’s a legitimate city that has been around for decades, which Hamas only took control of after 2007.
Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more.
Tents or not, you're basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I'm afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊
It's a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement.
It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century.
You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here).
what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas.
First, I didn't cheer for Hamas.
Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself.
And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling.
And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis.
Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948.
It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete.
Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war.
It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise.
The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me.
Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better.
The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on.
Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians.
They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better.
It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast.
It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries
EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off
@steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up.
@steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional
Hurricane of shit meeting tornado of blood
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