Employers controlling their workers “time off” is old fashioned dystopia.
It's entirely voluntarily (hence bonus), and has huge benefits for your self. I fail to see what the problem is.
My company does the same thing, and so do many others.
Your company is abusing it's employees. Imagine if it was something other than exercise how abusive it would be.
With how a lot of jobs have a lot of their pay based on nearly mandatory bonuses, this is basing pay on controlling you outside of work.
Your company is abusing it’s employees. Imagine if it was something other than exercise how abusive it would be.
Except it's not, because it's exclusively about health. It's a discount health insurance companies offer to companies, and the company uses that money to encourage employees to be healthier.
Your insurance benefit offered after health milestones isn't 30-130% of your salary though
Running 30km (18.6 miles) in a month earns a bonus equivalent to 30% of their monthly salary. Moving up to 40km (24.8 miles) pushes that to 40%. Hitting 50km (31 miles) earns 100%, and the top tier of 100km (62 miles) is 130%
100km for 130%, when 50km will already get you 100%? Not worth it in the least.
Depending on how they track it, exploiting that shouldn't be too hard.
I didnt see what was the appeal for companies until I realized they were US based companies and had to provide health insurance for their employees
Next up they will be forcing you to a plant based diet or maybe straight to veganism. Slippery slope towards forced sterilization or some other
Radical procedure that saves them money but is not necessary.
As reported by Guangzhou Daily, Lin Zhiyong, the chairman of a company that makes paper for various devices, told his workers that their year-end bonuses had been canceled. Instead, the money will be distributed across each coming month, and how much employees receive will depend on how far they run.
He literally canceled their bonuses and said “lol go run for it dipshit”
Imagine getting your bonus cancelled and told to go do more work to get it back.
Fuck this guy and fuck Chinese labour standards.
You don't have to run. My lazy ass clears 6k steps each day just living life. That's counts as walking, which is worth 1/3rd steps but still makes it a mile a day. I would be getting 100% bonus with literally no life change. Sign me up! Meanwhile, I never bonused working retail because people stealing carts crushed my EBITA every quarter.
Are you a fucking idiot?
Go work in a fucking Chinese paper factory all day for not enough money to live, and then go have part of your salary taken away and be told to do more work.
Maybe after having a second of fucking realisation you won’t come back and spout such dumbarse nonsense.
You obviously are a fucking idiot because a bonus isn't your salary shithead. Also this is the most trivial nonsense I've ever heard of to bonus 100%. I live in America where I've never once gotten 100% of my goddammit bonus fuckface. Being told that you get all of it for wearing a pedometer is literal childs play to me. Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit baby agression and jerk off or something instead.
I fucking wish I worked in a Chinese paper factory and got bonuses! Like seriously, get a goddammit clue. If that sounds like hard work to you, then you've literally never seen one, and you must have baby soft keyboard hands.
You’re an absolute moron.
I too wish you get to work in a Chinese factory.
I'm surprised you can even spell moron. I bet the reason you think it's so bad is because you're a piece of shit racist. Get over yourself.
Looks much nicer than my workplace. I also work with Chinese manufacturers and know how many holidays they get off too, so unlike you, I'm not actually ignorant to your average Chinese persons working environment and make believe its some hellscape. Our middle class is collapsing while theirs has grown substantially. Their government does some crazy shit but we're no exception.
Haha oh geez imagine thinking it’s racist to have a negative view of another countries labour conditions.
I’m probably racist to Americans because I think yours are shit too right?
You really do deserve to work in that fact, go apply for it!
At least you finally admit it.
Totally racist against Americans, good job genius.
Go beg for some tips or whatever other shit you find acceptable.
It's the only explanation for why you came in acting like a piece of rank shit in a polite conversation, then believed telling someone to work in a Chinese paper mill would be an insult. Now that I know it's because you are a hateful bigot, I just feel sad for you.
Do you think the labour conditions in China are ethnically related instead of capitalism related?
Not to mention you’re here arguing for developing world working conditions, and you expect me to be polite about it?
@Quokkla
Are you a fucking idiot?
@Sarmyth
You obviously are a fucking idiot
@Quokka
You’re an absolute moron.
@Sarmyth
you’re a piece of shit racist.
Lemmy moment.
No, seriously calm down poeple, lol. This is not reddit.
Got some keyboard warriors out here
Sometimes, you just gotta act like a Klingon to talk to a Klingon.
Not all of us can run. Simple as that.
Not all of these programs explicitly require running with no alternatives for people who can't run.
Most that I've seen are usually just based on "exercise minutes" depending on how your device tracks those. The Apple watch is really lenient and I get 50% of my daily goal just walking to work.
Start by walking?
What about people on wheelchairs, numbnuts?
I'm sure they offer alternatives. Not everything is so black and white.
Our companies in particular is just 30 exercise minutes so you can do whatever you want to get your heart rate up.
Sex. I want my company to pay me to sex. I feel like I could totally get behind that. Sexually.
A 2-mile run per day is about 20-30 minutes of cardio. You can count sex, but how are you going to get the other 19-29 minutes?
Literally one of my co workers does that.
I hope 'going to therapy to treat your depression because you can't force yourself to go out and exercise' is offered as an alternative too.
If the company is operating in good faith, they will be making "reasonable accommodations" for disabled workers.
The top tier of this program requires about 30 minutes of running per day. I'm sure we can find a similarly intensive workout to meet the needs and capabilities of disabled workers, numbnuts.
If the company is operating in good faith,
If they're going on with this idea, they're definitely not operating in good faith.
Nothing in the article even suggests they are operating in bad faith.
The company is basically asking them to voluntarily extend their work day by 15 to 30 minutes, but instead of offering time-and-a-half they would be entitled to as "overtime", they will double, or more than double their wages.
That roughly 30 minute period of activity is worth about 16 times their hourly pay.
The year end bonus was canceled in order to enforce this "healthy" change during the coming months. The workers lost something they were supposed to get because some asshole wanted them to be "healthier". There's a considerable chance that the company will distribute less money to the workers that way.
It's not about keeping workers healthy, it's about saving money, that's bad faith.
Do you think they would be included in this bonus program?
If they want to be a part of employees health and well-being they can pay health insurance or start the day with a hit sessions or yoga or tai chi.
They absolutely shouldn't be encouraging, through their bonus scheme, people to do work associated activities in their spare time.
I understand your view I just don't like that this is how they've chosen to encourage such a thing.
My work has a marathon every year, during work hours on a voluntary basis and logs training miles for competition. Never affects earnings or personal time.
What if you took that money and applied towards your health costs?
What money?
Because it is a transparent attempt to pay less bonuses and I am betting exploits some condition in the insurance and/or tax code to get a better deal for the corporation.
How about companies just pay the end of the year bonus and not make a big deal about it?
Read the article, it's no exploit, it's China.
Lawful =/= non-exploitative
I'm not attempting to excuse the behavior by any means (no matter how much it sounds otherwise).
Just explaining that this is behavior we can and should expect from an authoritarian state with no regard for human rights. Hopefully that clarifies things a little bit.
Yes, and reading the parent I see they were speaking of exploiting laws, not people specifically. Thanks for clarifying, hope you have a nice day
Thank you! I wish you the same
Or it's because insurance companies offer discounts for companies that offer these programs. The employer uses some (or all) of that money to encourage employees to be healthier which A. makes them healthier. B. saves the insurance company/insurance money. C. helps boost productivity. and D. makes everyone overall happier.
Bonuses should not be expected, or they're not bonuses. I get that. But making them available only to those able to do some physical test is discrimination.
But you're a fuckwit..
Meanwhile, assholes at the top get bonuses if the company is profitable. Seeing a bit of a discrepancy here
Employers controlling their workers “time off” is old fashioned dystopia.
It's entirely voluntarily (hence bonus), and has huge benefits for your self. I fail to see what the problem is.
My company does the same thing, and so do many others.
Your company is abusing it's employees. Imagine if it was something other than exercise how abusive it would be.
With how a lot of jobs have a lot of their pay based on nearly mandatory bonuses, this is basing pay on controlling you outside of work.
Except it's not, because it's exclusively about health. It's a discount health insurance companies offer to companies, and the company uses that money to encourage employees to be healthier.
Your insurance benefit offered after health milestones isn't 30-130% of your salary though
100km for 130%, when 50km will already get you 100%? Not worth it in the least.
Depending on how they track it, exploiting that shouldn't be too hard.
I didnt see what was the appeal for companies until I realized they were US based companies and had to provide health insurance for their employees
Next up they will be forcing you to a plant based diet or maybe straight to veganism. Slippery slope towards forced sterilization or some other Radical procedure that saves them money but is not necessary.
He literally canceled their bonuses and said “lol go run for it dipshit”
Imagine getting your bonus cancelled and told to go do more work to get it back.
Fuck this guy and fuck Chinese labour standards.
You don't have to run. My lazy ass clears 6k steps each day just living life. That's counts as walking, which is worth 1/3rd steps but still makes it a mile a day. I would be getting 100% bonus with literally no life change. Sign me up! Meanwhile, I never bonused working retail because people stealing carts crushed my EBITA every quarter.
Are you a fucking idiot?
Go work in a fucking Chinese paper factory all day for not enough money to live, and then go have part of your salary taken away and be told to do more work.
Maybe after having a second of fucking realisation you won’t come back and spout such dumbarse nonsense.
You obviously are a fucking idiot because a bonus isn't your salary shithead. Also this is the most trivial nonsense I've ever heard of to bonus 100%. I live in America where I've never once gotten 100% of my goddammit bonus fuckface. Being told that you get all of it for wearing a pedometer is literal childs play to me. Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit baby agression and jerk off or something instead.
I fucking wish I worked in a Chinese paper factory and got bonuses! Like seriously, get a goddammit clue. If that sounds like hard work to you, then you've literally never seen one, and you must have baby soft keyboard hands.
You’re an absolute moron.
I too wish you get to work in a Chinese factory.
I'm surprised you can even spell moron. I bet the reason you think it's so bad is because you're a piece of shit racist. Get over yourself.
Looks much nicer than my workplace. I also work with Chinese manufacturers and know how many holidays they get off too, so unlike you, I'm not actually ignorant to your average Chinese persons working environment and make believe its some hellscape. Our middle class is collapsing while theirs has grown substantially. Their government does some crazy shit but we're no exception.
Haha oh geez imagine thinking it’s racist to have a negative view of another countries labour conditions.
I’m probably racist to Americans because I think yours are shit too right?
You really do deserve to work in that fact, go apply for it!
At least you finally admit it.
Totally racist against Americans, good job genius.
Go beg for some tips or whatever other shit you find acceptable.
It's the only explanation for why you came in acting like a piece of rank shit in a polite conversation, then believed telling someone to work in a Chinese paper mill would be an insult. Now that I know it's because you are a hateful bigot, I just feel sad for you.
Do you think the labour conditions in China are ethnically related instead of capitalism related?
Not to mention you’re here arguing for developing world working conditions, and you expect me to be polite about it?
@Quokkla
@Sarmyth
@Quokka
@Sarmyth
Lemmy moment.
No, seriously calm down poeple, lol. This is not reddit.
Got some keyboard warriors out here
Sometimes, you just gotta act like a Klingon to talk to a Klingon.
Not all of us can run. Simple as that.
Not all of these programs explicitly require running with no alternatives for people who can't run.
Most that I've seen are usually just based on "exercise minutes" depending on how your device tracks those. The Apple watch is really lenient and I get 50% of my daily goal just walking to work.
Start by walking?
What about people on wheelchairs, numbnuts?
I'm sure they offer alternatives. Not everything is so black and white.
Our companies in particular is just 30 exercise minutes so you can do whatever you want to get your heart rate up.
Sex. I want my company to pay me to sex. I feel like I could totally get behind that. Sexually.
A 2-mile run per day is about 20-30 minutes of cardio. You can count sex, but how are you going to get the other 19-29 minutes?
Literally one of my co workers does that.
I hope 'going to therapy to treat your depression because you can't force yourself to go out and exercise' is offered as an alternative too.
If the company is operating in good faith, they will be making "reasonable accommodations" for disabled workers.
The top tier of this program requires about 30 minutes of running per day. I'm sure we can find a similarly intensive workout to meet the needs and capabilities of disabled workers, numbnuts.
If they're going on with this idea, they're definitely not operating in good faith.
Nothing in the article even suggests they are operating in bad faith.
The company is basically asking them to voluntarily extend their work day by 15 to 30 minutes, but instead of offering time-and-a-half they would be entitled to as "overtime", they will double, or more than double their wages.
That roughly 30 minute period of activity is worth about 16 times their hourly pay.
The year end bonus was canceled in order to enforce this "healthy" change during the coming months. The workers lost something they were supposed to get because some asshole wanted them to be "healthier". There's a considerable chance that the company will distribute less money to the workers that way.
It's not about keeping workers healthy, it's about saving money, that's bad faith.
Do you think they would be included in this bonus program?
If they want to be a part of employees health and well-being they can pay health insurance or start the day with a hit sessions or yoga or tai chi.
They absolutely shouldn't be encouraging, through their bonus scheme, people to do work associated activities in their spare time.
I understand your view I just don't like that this is how they've chosen to encourage such a thing.
My work has a marathon every year, during work hours on a voluntary basis and logs training miles for competition. Never affects earnings or personal time.
What if you took that money and applied towards your health costs?
What money?
Because it is a transparent attempt to pay less bonuses and I am betting exploits some condition in the insurance and/or tax code to get a better deal for the corporation.
How about companies just pay the end of the year bonus and not make a big deal about it?
Read the article, it's no exploit, it's China.
Lawful =/= non-exploitative
I'm not attempting to excuse the behavior by any means (no matter how much it sounds otherwise).
Just explaining that this is behavior we can and should expect from an authoritarian state with no regard for human rights. Hopefully that clarifies things a little bit.
Yes, and reading the parent I see they were speaking of exploiting laws, not people specifically. Thanks for clarifying, hope you have a nice day
Thank you! I wish you the same
Or it's because insurance companies offer discounts for companies that offer these programs. The employer uses some (or all) of that money to encourage employees to be healthier which A. makes them healthier. B. saves the insurance company/insurance money. C. helps boost productivity. and D. makes everyone overall happier.
Bonuses should not be expected, or they're not bonuses. I get that. But making them available only to those able to do some physical test is discrimination.
But you're a fuckwit..
Meanwhile, assholes at the top get bonuses if the company is profitable. Seeing a bit of a discrepancy here