One example I've seen is someone talking about being coconut-pilled.
I posted this in another thread, but this short video explains the coconut reference.
Basically, it comes from a speech she gave in May 2023 at a White House event about Hispanic excellence. In her speech, she also touched on how the democratic party can better support young leaders by understanding the context they grew up in.
This led into her personal anecdote from her mother, saying:
“My mother, she would give us a hard time sometimes, and she would say to us ‘I don’t know what’s wrong with you young people. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?! (Laughs) You in exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.’”
This basically took off and got mixed up with the whole “pill meme” terminology. Those that wanted Biden to pass the torch to Kamala started saying they were “coconut-pilled” and the rest is history.
Yep, it was a reference to her mother explaining Dialectical Materialism, her father is a Marxist economist.
Bruh the quote is about you being the product of all externalities -- your parents, your environment, etc.
Chill with reading too deep.
You gotta really lower your expectations for lemmy.ml
"My mother ... would give us a hard time sometimes, and she would say to us, 'I don’t know what’s wrong with you young people. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?' " Harris said with a laugh. "You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you."
That's actually kinda nice. I can appreciate that. We're all the middle children of history, in a way.
Yep, it's her mother explaining Dialectical Materialism to her, her father is a Marxist economist.
Cool story bro
Thank you! 🥥🌴
This is interesting to me as a complete outsider to these elections, but having known ‘coconut’ to be used as a slur against non-white ethnicities who act the same as the average white oppressors of history despite us presuming them to know better. Coconut ie 🥥 brown on the outside white on the inside…. This is something mentioned a bunch in the recent uk elections especially with the whole Palestine situation happening
Clearly this is a different reference judging from other comments here but thought it was interesting. Don’t suppose they’re trying to reclaim the word before it’s used against them.
It can be both, racists gonna racist.
Non-white as in orange-faced too?
Yeah when I first heard the reference myself I was pretty confused until it was explained to me.
I didn’t make the connection to it being racist - mostly because I saw it being posted by left-leaning and liberal personalities - I was more just confused people were posting coconut and palm tree emojis and having no clue what was going on lol.
I do think it arose pretty organically and was pushed by genuine Harris supporters. People were saying they were “coconut-pilled” to show they were supportive of Kamala for at least a few weeks before Biden officially passed the torch.
I do expect the right to try and co-opt it into being racist, but I am not sure how effective that will be considering a lot of Harris’s supporters (and people who are just excited Biden passed the torch in general) seem to be having fun posting it.
Very interesting, here in Australia it isn't a slur. An Indian friend of ours travels a lot for work, and recently told us that every time she gets a taxi to or from the airport and the driver is also Indian, they always start asking questions.
Where are you from, who is your family, etc etc. She exasperatedly said "I'm a coconut! I don't know, I just want to get where I'm going!" when describing this to us.
I don't want to condone anything, but that is probably the most creative slur out there
aside from Twinkie? (yellow outside, white inside) used in Harold and Kumar movies lol
So wait ... that laugh she has after saying "... coconut tree" ... is that her laughing at a joke her mum was making that she and her siblings and fellow younger people are coconuts?
Otherwise, her mum was Southern Indian (Chennai, Tamil Nadu IIRC), and I'd bet coconut trees and phrases about them are pretty common in Southern India and she just has humorous recollections about her mum's coconut tree phrases (I would if I was raised western with an Indian mum ... the word "coconut" probably emphasises the indian accent quite well).
So Kamala is kind-of known for her somewhat awkward/ inappropriate giggle laugh.
I think its kind of a dumb thing to be critical of and both Biden and Trump have far more annoying speech idiosyncrasies. But her giggle laugh has also happened at some weird and inappropriate times.
Oh I'm aware. It's a dumb thing to be critical of for sure. And my bet would be that originates from her attempt to be more politically amicable while her inner personality is probably a bit more "aggressive" or blunt. And of course she's navigating the misogynistic politics that force women to find some nearly impossible balance between "being nice" and "appearing competent and strong" at the same time.
All that being said, that laugh was odd and I couldn't help wonder what it was about ... as you imply, it may have just been a gesture of some kind in this political persona she's deploying.
She said on Drew Barrymore's show that its her Mom's laugh.
It is a bit of a tic though. Who cares. She's 1k better than Biden would have ever been in terms of beating Trump, so its fine.
The most important thing is that she needs to court some demographics. She needs muslim voters in the upper mid-west and she needs black women in GA and NC. If she picks Shapiro, and he can deliver PA, thats the ball game.
WTF - She has an awesome, borderline infectious, laugh.
People criticize it? Is that really the best they can do?
Tankies settled on their most devastating slogan yet.
Watch as the west crumbles before their overpowered speech impediments!
👻👻BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You just fall out of a coconut tree?
It's the same calling Asian "Banana" and Black "Oreos"
Whatever the color on the outside, it's all white on the inside.
Also Native Americans as “apples”
I think in the end, we're all more or less red inside actually, so none of these make any sense. Not that racism ever does, but still.
We're all unified by the colour of our inner organs! (Although my lungs are probably a shade or two darker than average, what with all the tar. Hope that doesn't become an issue.)
#skinsareallredwhentheyreinsideout
the asian one is Twinkie.
I know she was using the word in a speech a lot cause I heard it in a bunch of soundbites. Not sure the context as regards her speech.
It's a meme based on a goofy thing she said. People are making meme edits of it on TikTok.
Could be something common amongst Jamaicans? It's odd, nonetheless.
“My mother used to — she would give us a hard time sometimes, and she would say to us, 'I don't know what's wrong with you young people. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?'” Harris said with a laugh. “You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you,” she continued.
The explanation is simple, “Americans”
Ah, so it's obvious propaganda like "dark Brandon"? Can we stop with this? I'm already voting for you dorks, can we not do this stuff?
Looks like someone here did actually just fall out of a coconut tree!
Unaware of the context in which they live, and all that came before them. Tsk Tsk.
At which point I am proud to see someone asking questions in order to educate themselves:-).
Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, willful ignorance is.
Me as well!
Other posters had already provided explanations and links, so I made what is apparently a controversial joke reply.
Always add a /s, or if it is a particulaly rude comment like yours, offer up the serious part after your "joke"
..blah blah /s
In all seriousness, I'm glad you are blah blah blah.
Nah, that's very stereotypical redditor behavior, cringey.
I am sure OP is capable of informing me if they found my comment rude.
Yeah, rather than offer your comment the benefit of the doubt people immediately jumped on the downvote train - that's how you know this is Reddit Lemmy!
You could try adding a /s to see if that helps?
Honestly, the comment is rude and not helpful. Its an attack on the poster for asking a genuine question, which is total reddit behavior. (But in the context of a joke, its pretty funny, its the kind of banter I'd play with friends - but we all know we're just joking)
So... what I said was rude, but it is also a pretty funny joke, in context.
???
As I said earlier, the OP had already received serious replies which would have provided them the context to appreciate this as a joke.
I only add /s when I feel what I am saying could reasonably be construed as not being a joke, in context.
As opposed to doing the stereotypical redditor thing and vastly overusing it when its quite obvious in context that something is sarcastic.
Anyway, if what I said is rude, which apparently more people seem to think than not, than this only means that a tiny rephrasing of what Kamala actually said is rude, as it is patronizing.
That's the next level of the joke, that beyond its immediate application, it is that of pointing out that Kamala is at best an awkward communicator on the fly.
And now we have a third layer of meta irony in that I am explaining to you that a well known quip about context has been misunderstood due to either lack of understanding of or disregard for context.
I read them as saying it was "rude outside of a 'known'/friend group joke context" which is the default state of public social media, funny in the context of a group that all knows from experience and their connections (or at least has strong confidence) that a well meaning or harmless joke is intended.
Part of it I think is that different places in the world have varying expectations. As do different age groups. You could be talking with a 90 year old liberal woman from New York City who has been on Lemmy for years, or a 16 year old neo-nazi boy from Bangladesh where today is their first experience on any social media site ever. And then one of those two will downvote you, one will upvote you, and you are forbidden to ever know which is which (bc Lemmy does not show that information, despite it theoretically being public).
The downvote relationship is thereby inherently unequal since they know (a little about) who they chose to downvote, while you have no clue who downvoted you and can only guess at the reason(s) why. Which makes this place on social media capricious and unwelcoming, as people sling those around without bothering to offer an explanation. Kudos to helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world then for offering one possibility.:-)
I posted this in another thread, but this short video explains the coconut reference.
Basically, it comes from a speech she gave in May 2023 at a White House event about Hispanic excellence. In her speech, she also touched on how the democratic party can better support young leaders by understanding the context they grew up in.
This led into her personal anecdote from her mother, saying:
This basically took off and got mixed up with the whole “pill meme” terminology. Those that wanted Biden to pass the torch to Kamala started saying they were “coconut-pilled” and the rest is history.
Yep, it was a reference to her mother explaining Dialectical Materialism, her father is a Marxist economist.
Bruh the quote is about you being the product of all externalities -- your parents, your environment, etc.
Chill with reading too deep.
You gotta really lower your expectations for lemmy.ml
Here's an explainer: https://www.npr.org/2024/07/21/g-s1-12556/kamala-harris-coconut-tree-meme-context-unburdened
That's actually kinda nice. I can appreciate that. We're all the middle children of history, in a way.
Yep, it's her mother explaining Dialectical Materialism to her, her father is a Marxist economist.
Cool story bro
Thank you! 🥥🌴
This is interesting to me as a complete outsider to these elections, but having known ‘coconut’ to be used as a slur against non-white ethnicities who act the same as the average white oppressors of history despite us presuming them to know better. Coconut ie 🥥 brown on the outside white on the inside…. This is something mentioned a bunch in the recent uk elections especially with the whole Palestine situation happening
Clearly this is a different reference judging from other comments here but thought it was interesting. Don’t suppose they’re trying to reclaim the word before it’s used against them.
It can be both, racists gonna racist.
Non-white as in orange-faced too?
Yeah when I first heard the reference myself I was pretty confused until it was explained to me. I didn’t make the connection to it being racist - mostly because I saw it being posted by left-leaning and liberal personalities - I was more just confused people were posting coconut and palm tree emojis and having no clue what was going on lol.
I do think it arose pretty organically and was pushed by genuine Harris supporters. People were saying they were “coconut-pilled” to show they were supportive of Kamala for at least a few weeks before Biden officially passed the torch.
I do expect the right to try and co-opt it into being racist, but I am not sure how effective that will be considering a lot of Harris’s supporters (and people who are just excited Biden passed the torch in general) seem to be having fun posting it.
Very interesting, here in Australia it isn't a slur. An Indian friend of ours travels a lot for work, and recently told us that every time she gets a taxi to or from the airport and the driver is also Indian, they always start asking questions.
Where are you from, who is your family, etc etc. She exasperatedly said "I'm a coconut! I don't know, I just want to get where I'm going!" when describing this to us.
I don't want to condone anything, but that is probably the most creative slur out there
aside from Twinkie? (yellow outside, white inside) used in Harold and Kumar movies lol
Assuming you mean "why?" not "who?"
Harris gave a speech where she said this:
https://youtu.be/ZiRSLYV1X4A
I guess you needed the context... ;)
So wait ... that laugh she has after saying "... coconut tree" ... is that her laughing at a joke her mum was making that she and her siblings and fellow younger people are coconuts?
Otherwise, her mum was Southern Indian (Chennai, Tamil Nadu IIRC), and I'd bet coconut trees and phrases about them are pretty common in Southern India and she just has humorous recollections about her mum's coconut tree phrases (I would if I was raised western with an Indian mum ... the word "coconut" probably emphasises the indian accent quite well).
So Kamala is kind-of known for her somewhat awkward/ inappropriate giggle laugh.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4626161-vice-president-kamala-harris-laugh-criticism-advice/
I think its kind of a dumb thing to be critical of and both Biden and Trump have far more annoying speech idiosyncrasies. But her giggle laugh has also happened at some weird and inappropriate times.
Oh I'm aware. It's a dumb thing to be critical of for sure. And my bet would be that originates from her attempt to be more politically amicable while her inner personality is probably a bit more "aggressive" or blunt. And of course she's navigating the misogynistic politics that force women to find some nearly impossible balance between "being nice" and "appearing competent and strong" at the same time.
All that being said, that laugh was odd and I couldn't help wonder what it was about ... as you imply, it may have just been a gesture of some kind in this political persona she's deploying.
She said on Drew Barrymore's show that its her Mom's laugh.
It is a bit of a tic though. Who cares. She's 1k better than Biden would have ever been in terms of beating Trump, so its fine.
The most important thing is that she needs to court some demographics. She needs muslim voters in the upper mid-west and she needs black women in GA and NC. If she picks Shapiro, and he can deliver PA, thats the ball game.
WTF - She has an awesome, borderline infectious, laugh.
People criticize it? Is that really the best they can do?
Tankies settled on their most devastating slogan yet.
Watch as the west crumbles before their overpowered speech impediments!
👻👻BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You just fall out of a coconut tree?
It's the same calling Asian "Banana" and Black "Oreos"
Whatever the color on the outside, it's all white on the inside.
Also Native Americans as “apples”
I think in the end, we're all more or less red inside actually, so none of these make any sense. Not that racism ever does, but still.
We're all unified by the colour of our inner organs! (Although my lungs are probably a shade or two darker than average, what with all the tar. Hope that doesn't become an issue.)
#skinsareallredwhentheyreinsideout
the asian one is Twinkie.
I know she was using the word in a speech a lot cause I heard it in a bunch of soundbites. Not sure the context as regards her speech.
It's a meme based on a goofy thing she said. People are making meme edits of it on TikTok.
Could be something common amongst Jamaicans? It's odd, nonetheless.
The explanation is simple, “Americans”
Ah, so it's obvious propaganda like "dark Brandon"? Can we stop with this? I'm already voting for you dorks, can we not do this stuff?
Looks like someone here did actually just fall out of a coconut tree!
Unaware of the context in which they live, and all that came before them. Tsk Tsk.
At which point I am proud to see someone asking questions in order to educate themselves:-).
Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, willful ignorance is.
Me as well!
Other posters had already provided explanations and links, so I made what is apparently a controversial joke reply.
Always add a /s, or if it is a particulaly rude comment like yours, offer up the serious part after your "joke"
Nah, that's very stereotypical redditor behavior, cringey.
I am sure OP is capable of informing me if they found my comment rude.
Yeah, rather than offer your comment the benefit of the doubt people immediately jumped on the downvote train - that's how you know this is
RedditLemmy!You could try adding a /s to see if that helps?
Honestly, the comment is rude and not helpful. Its an attack on the poster for asking a genuine question, which is total reddit behavior. (But in the context of a joke, its pretty funny, its the kind of banter I'd play with friends - but we all know we're just joking)
So... what I said was rude, but it is also a pretty funny joke, in context.
???
As I said earlier, the OP had already received serious replies which would have provided them the context to appreciate this as a joke.
I only add /s when I feel what I am saying could reasonably be construed as not being a joke, in context.
As opposed to doing the stereotypical redditor thing and vastly overusing it when its quite obvious in context that something is sarcastic.
Anyway, if what I said is rude, which apparently more people seem to think than not, than this only means that a tiny rephrasing of what Kamala actually said is rude, as it is patronizing.
That's the next level of the joke, that beyond its immediate application, it is that of pointing out that Kamala is at best an awkward communicator on the fly.
And now we have a third layer of meta irony in that I am explaining to you that a well known quip about context has been misunderstood due to either lack of understanding of or disregard for context.
I read them as saying it was "rude outside of a 'known'/friend group joke context" which is the default state of public social media, funny in the context of a group that all knows from experience and their connections (or at least has strong confidence) that a well meaning or harmless joke is intended.
Part of it I think is that different places in the world have varying expectations. As do different age groups. You could be talking with a 90 year old liberal woman from New York City who has been on Lemmy for years, or a 16 year old neo-nazi boy from Bangladesh where today is their first experience on any social media site ever. And then one of those two will downvote you, one will upvote you, and you are forbidden to ever know which is which (bc Lemmy does not show that information, despite it theoretically being public).
The downvote relationship is thereby inherently unequal since they know (a little about) who they chose to downvote, while you have no clue who downvoted you and can only guess at the reason(s) why. Which makes this place on social media capricious and unwelcoming, as people sling those around without bothering to offer an explanation. Kudos to helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world then for offering one possibility.:-)