Here's the thing - Hamas isn't actively killing Israeli civilians anymore. You can argue that if we don't fully wipe Hamas they will in the future, but right now, almost exclusively Gaza civilians are being killed. That ratio isn't 45:1 today, it's closer to 4500:1.
I imagine most are dead or hiding, so yeah. I'm not really sure who they think they're killing if not civilians.
I mean, technically correct. Just one side has SIGNIFICANTLY MORE casualties
The civilian:soldier death ratio is unacceptable for both sides.
But Biden is giving weapons to one side.
"Very good people on both sides."
What an asshole
Even fucking now. Jfc, thank goodness his age caught up to him. And i hope Harris has some sense
Shes gonna be more hawkish than Biden has been
Stop aiding Israel
How does Bernie, a Jewish man, see what Israel is doing but our dumbass president can't? Oh yeah, money.
$11m in AIPAC money buys a lot of blinders.
Technically both: gottem
Is it really surprising that a government that started a war while spending zero dollars on air superiority, zero dollars on artillery, zero dollars on defensive fortifications, zero dollars on civilian bomb shelters, zero dollars on radar and enemy detection and zero dollars on a military college for its officers is losing the war it started with a 45:1 casualty ratio?
If Israel were truly trying to maximize harm in Gaza it could easily be 4500:1.
This is special Olympics vs. Olympics here.
Actually if it indeed is 45:1 i must admit that i did not know that so many israeli civilians had been killed!
Edit: I legit thought that the only Israeli civilians killed in this conflict were the hostages. Is this still the case?
Presumably that includes Israeli hostages being bombed by IDF and malfunctions. Who killed them wasn't made clear.
Name an instance where "Hamas" numbers (a misnomer for the Gazan Ministry of Health) vastly differed from independent investigations.
How about when Hamas shot that hospital with a rocket and blamed the IDF?
How about the times idf shot journalists?
You mean the Al Ahli Hospital? The one instance where it is still inconclusive? Yet you are convinced it's Hamas, I wonder why. The hospital where we know for a fact was hit by Israeli rocket fire days prior. All the while, Israel has never stopped bombing hospitals, schools, mosques, historical sites, Refugee camps, tens of thousands of children, hundreds of journalists, and international aid workers
This was not the first airstrike on the hospital in question. The New York Times confirmed that the same hospital had been hit by rocket fire on Oct. 14, 2023, before the more recent attack, in which four people had been injured.
More than half of Gaza’s homes destroyed or damaged, 80 percent of commercial facilities, 85 percent of school building, 16 out of 36 hospitals are partially functioning, 65 percent of road networks, 65 percent of cropland damaged
there is extensive evidence of the IDF quite literally engaging in human shielding — forcing Palestinian civilians to approach houses for them because they’ll be less likely to be shot at than Israeli soldiers, for example. Israel’s High Court banned the practice in 2005, but Israeli human rights group B’Tselem reports that “soldiers continue to occasionally use Palestinians as human shields even after the court ruling, especially during military operations.”
That is not even relevant to what I wrote. But okay.
40 decapitated babies.
Was Hamas? Where did you read that it was the IDF?
Presumably it was to illustrate how misinformed you are, and you took the bait by believing the most widely disproven lie the IDF has told so far in this genocide.
Tell the IDF to stop lying then?
The Palestinian death toll has been verified by journalists and US intelligence. After US intelligence verified the death tolls, sudden the Israeli government stopped disputing the death toll.
You have a very strong opinion but clearly haven't done your homework.
That's because of the war though. And dual use. Border controls. Like, if Hamas could get whatever it wanted into Gaza, the ratio would be 1 to 45. I agree the ratio is appalling as is, especially all the kids. Hamas should stop hiding under everyone's cities, actual leaders should step forward and reject martyrdom culture. Maybe Gaza would have more of a future.
Quit justifying genocide
If Hamas surrenders the war ends. It has nothing to do with anyone's genes. It has to do with Hamas packing kids into tiny rooms above tunnel shafts and then refusing to let them evacuate, or worse, convincing them that it's good to be a Martyr.™
You're so right and smart. On that note it's weird that nobody wants the US to bomb their own schools when an active shooter is holding up there.
Level the whole school. That will prevent future shooters.
Don't give our extremely militarized police ideas.
They kinda already do that. Remember when police destroyed a house that a shoplifter ran to, and made the innocent family pay for it?
Then why do Palestinians get attacked in the West Bank?
West Bank has Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, and IJ as well. They launch terror attacks from the West Bank. Take your pick of pan Islamists far right radicals who literally want to genocide every non Muslim in the middle east and "restore Islam to its rightful place in the world."
They get attacked because they choose international terrorism instead of literally anything else.
Sure it does. But the biggest terrorists are those disgusting genocidal Zionists, stealing homes and lives like a bunch of fuckin savages. Fuck them and fuck you, you genocide supporter.
Just this morning Israel is apparently surrounding a hospital with all the patients inside... in Jenin. Totally "acceptable" of the "oNlY dEmOcRaCy iN tHe MidDle EasT".
It's like, "oh yeah we love killing Palestinians but those are the orders we get from our democratically elect government 😉 if you forget all the Palestinians with absolutely no rights"
Oh don't be so childish. Hamas is a vaguely defined terrorist organisation.
There is no scenario in which Israel goes "all right Hamas decided to surrender, we got these known leaders here, so we're sure there's no more Hamas anywhere and we will now leave the Palestinians alone, as this was definitely never a flimsy excuse for a genocide to make lebensraum for Israeli settlers".
Whatever Hamas does, Israel will keep up the killing and fighting and landgrabbing. You'd have to be extremely naive to think otherwise.
Hamas sold out the foreseeable future of Gaza. As soon as they did October 6, they sent an engraved invitation to Israel inviting over for a seige war followed years of martial law.
Gaza needs to be rebuilt after this. Who is going to do it? Gaza can't do it. They made sure that every penny of public wealth has gone towards making sure children are malnourished but rocket launchers are deployed and loaded up. Gaza literally doesn't ave the excavators and dump trucks that they need just to clear the streets, let alone build new public works, because they spent every penny anyone had indiscriminately shooting rockets at Israeli neighborhoods and digging tunnels which they use to hold every Gazan hostage.
Did you reply to the right comment?
I don't see how any of that has anything to do with my comment.
You're saying Israel is the "bigger person" for basically shooting through human shields?
The war ends and it goes back to apartheid, of religion and homeland, no genes required. And what evidence is there of what you're claiming?
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL TO BACK UP THE CLAIM OF HAMAS "PACKING" KIDS INTO SMALL ROOMS ABOVE TUNNELS?
because it's yet another example of an extremely dumb claim resting on an extremely unlikely piece of informatio
But if course you will ignore this request because you can easily just ignore anything from me 😁😊😊
So, you're saying that the IDF is a terrorist organization similar to Hamas?
actual leaders should step forward and reject martyrdom culture
Well Israel is killing them as well . Israel will not tolerate any leader who advocates for a free Palestine. Look at the West Bank and how far fatah's collaboration has gotten them, slowly being pushed out by terrorist settlers. This is why Palestine has no future, Israel forbids it. If you peacefully protest you get shot in the leg , if you use violence then that violence is brought back on you 50 fold. Anyone who thinks Hamas just needs to play nice doesn't grasp the full historic context.
Gaza has been a shithole long before Hamas existed because Israel is doing the same shit since over half a century. The only future they can look forward to is staying an open-air prison. There will be no two-state solution, Israel does not want that.
I am yet to see any army as immoral and as bloodthirsty as the IDF. Hamss fucking suck but even they wouldn't literally kill this many civilians whether they can or can't. Hezbollah could flip all tables on Israel and yet they don't tend to kill a child every fucking minute. In the meantime Israel claims to have the best war tech but always kills 10 extra people because for them the best way to kill a Hamas fighters is not when he is in a tunnel, instead it's when he is kissing his daughter goodnight. And in most of those cases, no Hamas fighters were killed.
What significant life event other than literally everything happening today would it take you to realize this?
Here's the thing - Hamas isn't actively killing Israeli civilians anymore. You can argue that if we don't fully wipe Hamas they will in the future, but right now, almost exclusively Gaza civilians are being killed. That ratio isn't 45:1 today, it's closer to 4500:1.
I imagine most are dead or hiding, so yeah. I'm not really sure who they think they're killing if not civilians.
I mean, technically correct. Just one side has SIGNIFICANTLY MORE casualties
The civilian:soldier death ratio is unacceptable for both sides.
But Biden is giving weapons to one side.
"Very good people on both sides."
What an asshole
Even fucking now. Jfc, thank goodness his age caught up to him. And i hope Harris has some sense
Shes gonna be more hawkish than Biden has been
Stop aiding Israel
How does Bernie, a Jewish man, see what Israel is doing but our dumbass president can't? Oh yeah, money.
$11m in AIPAC money buys a lot of blinders.
Technically both: gottem
Is it really surprising that a government that started a war while spending zero dollars on air superiority, zero dollars on artillery, zero dollars on defensive fortifications, zero dollars on civilian bomb shelters, zero dollars on radar and enemy detection and zero dollars on a military college for its officers is losing the war it started with a 45:1 casualty ratio?
If Israel were truly trying to maximize harm in Gaza it could easily be 4500:1.
This is special Olympics vs. Olympics here.
Actually if it indeed is 45:1 i must admit that i did not know that so many israeli civilians had been killed!
Edit: I legit thought that the only Israeli civilians killed in this conflict were the hostages. Is this still the case?
Presumably that includes Israeli hostages being bombed by IDF and malfunctions. Who killed them wasn't made clear.
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That's only if you believe Hamas and not the IDF.
Do you see the bias there?
Name an instance where "Hamas" numbers (a misnomer for the Gazan Ministry of Health) vastly differed from independent investigations.
How about when Hamas shot that hospital with a rocket and blamed the IDF?
How about the times idf shot journalists?
You mean the Al Ahli Hospital? The one instance where it is still inconclusive? Yet you are convinced it's Hamas, I wonder why. The hospital where we know for a fact was hit by Israeli rocket fire days prior. All the while, Israel has never stopped bombing hospitals, schools, mosques, historical sites, Refugee camps, tens of thousands of children, hundreds of journalists, and international aid workers
That is not even relevant to what I wrote. But okay.
40 decapitated babies.
Was Hamas? Where did you read that it was the IDF?
Presumably it was to illustrate how misinformed you are, and you took the bait by believing the most widely disproven lie the IDF has told so far in this genocide.
Tell the IDF to stop lying then?
The Palestinian death toll has been verified by journalists and US intelligence. After US intelligence verified the death tolls, sudden the Israeli government stopped disputing the death toll.
You have a very strong opinion but clearly haven't done your homework.
That's because of the war though. And dual use. Border controls. Like, if Hamas could get whatever it wanted into Gaza, the ratio would be 1 to 45. I agree the ratio is appalling as is, especially all the kids. Hamas should stop hiding under everyone's cities, actual leaders should step forward and reject martyrdom culture. Maybe Gaza would have more of a future.
Quit justifying genocide
If Hamas surrenders the war ends. It has nothing to do with anyone's genes. It has to do with Hamas packing kids into tiny rooms above tunnel shafts and then refusing to let them evacuate, or worse, convincing them that it's good to be a Martyr.™
You're so right and smart. On that note it's weird that nobody wants the US to bomb their own schools when an active shooter is holding up there.
Level the whole school. That will prevent future shooters.
Don't give our extremely militarized police ideas.
They kinda already do that. Remember when police destroyed a house that a shoplifter ran to, and made the innocent family pay for it?
Then why do Palestinians get attacked in the West Bank?
West Bank has Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, and IJ as well. They launch terror attacks from the West Bank. Take your pick of pan Islamists far right radicals who literally want to genocide every non Muslim in the middle east and "restore Islam to its rightful place in the world."
They get attacked because they choose international terrorism instead of literally anything else.
Sure it does. But the biggest terrorists are those disgusting genocidal Zionists, stealing homes and lives like a bunch of fuckin savages. Fuck them and fuck you, you genocide supporter.
Just this morning Israel is apparently surrounding a hospital with all the patients inside... in Jenin. Totally "acceptable" of the "oNlY dEmOcRaCy iN tHe MidDle EasT".
It's like, "oh yeah we love killing Palestinians but those are the orders we get from our democratically elect government 😉 if you forget all the Palestinians with absolutely no rights"
Oh don't be so childish. Hamas is a vaguely defined terrorist organisation.
There is no scenario in which Israel goes "all right Hamas decided to surrender, we got these known leaders here, so we're sure there's no more Hamas anywhere and we will now leave the Palestinians alone, as this was definitely never a flimsy excuse for a genocide to make lebensraum for Israeli settlers".
Whatever Hamas does, Israel will keep up the killing and fighting and landgrabbing. You'd have to be extremely naive to think otherwise.
Hamas sold out the foreseeable future of Gaza. As soon as they did October 6, they sent an engraved invitation to Israel inviting over for a seige war followed years of martial law.
Gaza needs to be rebuilt after this. Who is going to do it? Gaza can't do it. They made sure that every penny of public wealth has gone towards making sure children are malnourished but rocket launchers are deployed and loaded up. Gaza literally doesn't ave the excavators and dump trucks that they need just to clear the streets, let alone build new public works, because they spent every penny anyone had indiscriminately shooting rockets at Israeli neighborhoods and digging tunnels which they use to hold every Gazan hostage.
Did you reply to the right comment?
I don't see how any of that has anything to do with my comment.
You're saying Israel is the "bigger person" for basically shooting through human shields?
The war ends and it goes back to apartheid, of religion and homeland, no genes required. And what evidence is there of what you're claiming?
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL TO BACK UP THE CLAIM OF HAMAS "PACKING" KIDS INTO SMALL ROOMS ABOVE TUNNELS?
because it's yet another example of an extremely dumb claim resting on an extremely unlikely piece of informatio
But if course you will ignore this request because you can easily just ignore anything from me 😁😊😊
So, you're saying that the IDF is a terrorist organization similar to Hamas?
Well Israel is killing them as well . Israel will not tolerate any leader who advocates for a free Palestine. Look at the West Bank and how far fatah's collaboration has gotten them, slowly being pushed out by terrorist settlers. This is why Palestine has no future, Israel forbids it. If you peacefully protest you get shot in the leg , if you use violence then that violence is brought back on you 50 fold. Anyone who thinks Hamas just needs to play nice doesn't grasp the full historic context.
Gaza has been a shithole long before Hamas existed because Israel is doing the same shit since over half a century. The only future they can look forward to is staying an open-air prison. There will be no two-state solution, Israel does not want that.
I am yet to see any army as immoral and as bloodthirsty as the IDF. Hamss fucking suck but even they wouldn't literally kill this many civilians whether they can or can't. Hezbollah could flip all tables on Israel and yet they don't tend to kill a child every fucking minute. In the meantime Israel claims to have the best war tech but always kills 10 extra people because for them the best way to kill a Hamas fighters is not when he is in a tunnel, instead it's when he is kissing his daughter goodnight. And in most of those cases, no Hamas fighters were killed.
What significant life event other than literally everything happening today would it take you to realize this?