I was naively telling myself "So many people hate 11, I doubt adoption has ticked up, and 10 will end up having extensions for support like 7 did, because no one wanted 8."
Then I saw the latest Steam Hardware survey. 11 is nearly even with 10 on installs. RIP.
Glad I've been cultivating a love for Linux the last several years and that I dual-boot my main box but run Linux alone on all my other boxes.
Because this is pushing me into using Linux alone unless there's a serious need for Windows.
Win 11 is going to push me to Linux for my main PC. My current PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements for Win 11 so I couldn't run it even if I wanted to.
The only question is if I'll need a separate windows machine for gaming.
I have never been a big fan of multiplayer competitive games. So thankfully I don't have to worry about Anti-Cheats, which continues to be the main thing holding back some games working on Linux. At this point most single player or cooperative multiplayer titles that don't require an anti-cheat work great with Valve's Proton.
Also, AMD GPUs work pretty great in Linux. I know they're not as popular as nVidia, but I've had very good functionality from them in Linux.
Yeah, gaming is the main thing holding me back from kicking windows completely to the curb.
I bought a Steamdeck a few weeks ago and one of the reasons was to see how well games play on a linux system. So far everything is working fine so I think I might actually switch to full Linux for my next computer.
It's mostly competitive multiplayer games that struggle to play on linux. Games with anticheat, especially. If you play mostly single player games or casual multiplayer, then linux should work fine for you.
I stream some fps games with anticheat and they just don't work on linux. It's the one thing keeping my dual boot windows partition installed.
it depends on what games you play.
Some online games will not work because of the anticheat, others will require some tweaking and some will not boot at all.
This is not very common but it can happen.
even more rare is the developer release a new update for a native game and that update contains some windows exclusive dependencies and the game doesn't start.
But most of the times proton works perfectly, even with non-steam games.
Steam HW Survey is nice, but not everybody is a gamer. When you look at something more generic like Statcounter, in August Win 10 market share was at 71.94%, while Win 11 was at 23.17%, with 11's share being pretty much stagnating since May. There's still some hope
Imo it's going to be large companies and other software vendors that will determine whether or not Microsoft pushes through with this. And based on the software in use in my company, I think it's likely going to go ahead: specialized software that was explicitly stating that windows 11 was not supported last year, now says that it is.
New pc's also come with windows 11 and the users can work with them without major issues. This is unlike windows 8 were the manufacturers themselves returned to windows 7 after windows 8 had already been out some time.
i upgraded to windows 11 a few months ago, i cant say i massively regret it but its bad enough that the only thing pushing me away from ubuntu at this point is the absence of some software i use
canonical has made some really questionable choices in the past like sending search data to amazon I'd recommend linux mint I use that and it's really great and it also feels a lot more familiar anyway it's very reminiscent of windows 7 in some ways
huh alright i didnt know that. thanks
What exactly is it that you don't like about Windows 11?
Basically I use Windows because of the Adobe suite not having a Linux version or (apparently) not working well in WINE
Or at least it didn't the last time I looked into it
Your being locked into wondows by being locked into the equally shitty Adobe suite. There are apparently some really good alternatives to Adobe out there. Maybe check them out if you havent already.
Depending on their industry it might not be so simple. I know a lot of production houses are built around Adobe, for instance, so it’s premiere or nothing.
There are no really good alternatives to Adobe.
Or at least, while there may be programs that are good enough to keep you from going to Adobe to begin with, those options will not be good enough to satisfy someone that is using Adobe already.
It is one of the areas that Open Source and Linux lags the most.
Well unfortunately if they do not release a new os. I have to go to Linux on my desktop, unless I want to spend 300 dollars on a new CPU.
Not that you shouldn't install Linux but can't you bypass the CPU limitation?
It's a hardware limitation the security chip needed for windows 11 doesn't exist on my cpu
You can still get around it and install 11.
Remember when Microsoft made the bold claim that Windows 10 would be the last OS and reassured us it would just be updated perpetually?
Like, no one believed them, but to stop supporting Windows 10 after a bold claim like that is just insulting.
you are morally obligated to pirate windows 10 ltsc
(if you must use windows)
Fun fact: Lenovo sells some laptops without Windows license too. The amount saved will depend on the laptop and region. Unfortunately this isn't available for all laptops.
If you're just buying a laptop/desktop normally, you're paying this without realizing it.
In this case, it's 22.5% of the price.
Wish more did that tbh.....esp as a tech person who MS and apple ran off with choices they made. Plus I like having more freedom on shiz to customize things more without risk it'll break that easily(without a major yearly update withstanding but still not as often as windows....)
Skimmed the US site. Unless I’m dumb, there’s no Non-Windows Key options on any products other than a Linux-variant that they currently up charge for.
What a shithole company.
There are people selling oem keys on eBay for $5-$7. It’s too easy to buy a “legit” key at this point.
but why would you when you can get it for free it's not like ms is gonna give two fucks about you. they make their real $$ from business licenses
And it's super easy to activate it while having pirated it
Not to mention that Windows is basically completely functional without being activated
And most of the stuff they disable can be reenabled via group policy. Only thing I need personally is dark mode.
But what's the risk you're buying keys purchased with stolen funds like on sketchy video game key resellers?
You lose your 5-7€ because the code doesn't exist or has already been used.
That literally is it.
It is just a short string of letters and numbers, nothing nefarious can be done with that.
My concern was around situations where someone buys keys with a stolen credit card, and sells them as a form of money laundering.
That feels nefarious, and not participating in marketplaces with a high likelihood of participating in money laundering seems like a good method of harm reduction.
Only my main machine runs Windows, my server and my machine running my 3D printers are running Linux (though different flavors)
My main machine runs Windows primarily due to the Adobe Suite which doesn't work well with WINE
I would if I could play Forza Horizon on it.
if you have an AMD GPU it will run fine on Linux
It seems like NVIDIA is technically possible but has severe issues with it though
I have a nVidia unfortunately. And the thing I'm more worried about is that my system is running on the edge while playing so I doubt it will run as smooth on Linux.
On the other hand I am currently looking for a decent ThinkPad and that's getting a fresh Linux Mint installation.
Terrible time to warm up to Red Hat or Ubuntu though.
Why?
Snap packages and Red Hat turning Open Source stuff into Closed Source.
Red hat because they are more or less becoming anti open source. Unbuntu because it's cool to hate.
I just rolled back to Win 10 after finally succumbing to the frustration of Win11 running like frozen molasses.
With a side bonus of Linux Mint 21.2 for good measure. Forgot just how much I enjoyed Mint!
Mint has been such a smooth experience for me, as well! I'm glad that Linux gaming is improving, as its one of the few things keeping me using windows. Manjaro is supposedly very beginner friendly, as well.
Do not use Manjaro. It is a trap. It is like dating a narcissist.
At first, it looks and feels great. One day, it will completely turn on you.
That's disappointing to hear. Even the stable branch is problematic?
Interesting 🤔. It's basically Windows 10 with some change here and there, in performance I personally didn't notice a difference, maybe it is more noticeable in older computers or something.
11 is ok, but out of the box it needs more tweaks than 10 and they have been saying they'd bring back folder previews for YEARS and they haven't done it
The only feature that I'm missing from earlier Windows' is the desktop peek on hovering the lower right corner, otherwise GUI-wise it doesn't make too much of a difference to Windows 10. Or maybe I've just been using 11 for so long that I forgot?
The GUI is annoying in 11, but that's really not the issue for most people. It's the constant barrage of "USE FUCKING EDGE" over and over and over, the treating the operating system like it's an advertising platform, not an operating system. It's the ever-increasing spyware, it's that they never learned that nobody liked them constantly re-installing Skype and Candy Crush even when you've uninstalled them in Windows 10 that they kept the same bullshit in 11.
My personal favorite to be pissed off about is that you're literally not allowed to make a local account in any normal way in Windows 11, they force you to use a Microsoft Account unless you know a bunch of PowerShell commands to interrupt the install process and force it to allow you to make a local account. Then, after you've already jumped through technical hoops to get a local account, Microsoft decides that the best thing to do is advertise at you again about how you shouldn't be using a local account and you should consider switching to a Microsoft account! Like fuck me, the anti-consumer "It's Microsoft's operating system and you just live here" has been kicked up to obscene levels in 11.
Those are the issues, the GUI is (for the most part) fine. Although I will say every time I use 11 I'm confused about where to find "copy" and "paste" because they decided to drop words for iconography. Like, I've never seen these icons before, how am I supposed to know that's the new "cut," "copy," and "paste?" It's absurd. However, I can manage to live with that, or change it in RegEdit if I really hate it that much. The GUI is annoying but the least shitty of the Windows 11 crimes.
I agree with all of this, the new right click menu is so poorly implemented, it could have been so much better.
The edge bullshit is why I may go full Linux by the time windows 12 rolls around, and just boot up windows for gaming if I absolutely have to.
you can actually get around the local account thing with a windows pro licence instead of home not to defend it that's stupid and anti consumer and I hate that but just in case you didn't know they do harass you a bit less about local accounts at least with that so I got that as it was almost the same price as home for me anyway but yeah windows sucks I dual boot mint for that reason and prefer using mint but sometimes some things just only work on windows like bethesda games are just meant to be modded and none of the mod managers support linux there's sort of a workaround for MO2 but it's not great and fomod installers don't work
What are you talking about?
Sign-in Options - Offline account still works.
And you can just install pro and let it join a domain...
If you install Windows 11 and pull out the internet connection, it allows you to install with a local account.
In the pro edition you can even just select local account.
Can you not still do that? I feel like I can still do that. Maybe it's an addon I have.
Can someone get me a link to that image? I’m going to own my first PC in a few days (my CS major requires a lot of stuff that only works on Windows) and I want to use it as a desktop background
Good news is I was able to find the source image by looking up the OP in the image on Twitter
Good news again, it would probably be funnier to edit it into the proportions of the normal W10 wallpaper, so the low resolution could be worked around in a funnier way
I was naively telling myself "So many people hate 11, I doubt adoption has ticked up, and 10 will end up having extensions for support like 7 did, because no one wanted 8."
Then I saw the latest Steam Hardware survey. 11 is nearly even with 10 on installs. RIP.
Glad I've been cultivating a love for Linux the last several years and that I dual-boot my main box but run Linux alone on all my other boxes.
Because this is pushing me into using Linux alone unless there's a serious need for Windows.
Win 11 is going to push me to Linux for my main PC. My current PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements for Win 11 so I couldn't run it even if I wanted to.
The only question is if I'll need a separate windows machine for gaming.
I have never been a big fan of multiplayer competitive games. So thankfully I don't have to worry about Anti-Cheats, which continues to be the main thing holding back some games working on Linux. At this point most single player or cooperative multiplayer titles that don't require an anti-cheat work great with Valve's Proton.
Also, AMD GPUs work pretty great in Linux. I know they're not as popular as nVidia, but I've had very good functionality from them in Linux.
Yeah, gaming is the main thing holding me back from kicking windows completely to the curb.
I bought a Steamdeck a few weeks ago and one of the reasons was to see how well games play on a linux system. So far everything is working fine so I think I might actually switch to full Linux for my next computer.
It's mostly competitive multiplayer games that struggle to play on linux. Games with anticheat, especially. If you play mostly single player games or casual multiplayer, then linux should work fine for you.
I stream some fps games with anticheat and they just don't work on linux. It's the one thing keeping my dual boot windows partition installed.
it depends on what games you play. Some online games will not work because of the anticheat, others will require some tweaking and some will not boot at all. This is not very common but it can happen. even more rare is the developer release a new update for a native game and that update contains some windows exclusive dependencies and the game doesn't start. But most of the times proton works perfectly, even with non-steam games.
Steam HW Survey is nice, but not everybody is a gamer. When you look at something more generic like Statcounter, in August Win 10 market share was at 71.94%, while Win 11 was at 23.17%, with 11's share being pretty much stagnating since May. There's still some hope
Imo it's going to be large companies and other software vendors that will determine whether or not Microsoft pushes through with this. And based on the software in use in my company, I think it's likely going to go ahead: specialized software that was explicitly stating that windows 11 was not supported last year, now says that it is.
New pc's also come with windows 11 and the users can work with them without major issues. This is unlike windows 8 were the manufacturers themselves returned to windows 7 after windows 8 had already been out some time.
i upgraded to windows 11 a few months ago, i cant say i massively regret it but its bad enough that the only thing pushing me away from ubuntu at this point is the absence of some software i use
canonical has made some really questionable choices in the past like sending search data to amazon I'd recommend linux mint I use that and it's really great and it also feels a lot more familiar anyway it's very reminiscent of windows 7 in some ways
huh alright i didnt know that. thanks
What exactly is it that you don't like about Windows 11?
Basically I use Windows because of the Adobe suite not having a Linux version or (apparently) not working well in WINE
Or at least it didn't the last time I looked into it
Your being locked into wondows by being locked into the equally shitty Adobe suite. There are apparently some really good alternatives to Adobe out there. Maybe check them out if you havent already.
Depending on their industry it might not be so simple. I know a lot of production houses are built around Adobe, for instance, so it’s premiere or nothing.
There are no really good alternatives to Adobe.
Or at least, while there may be programs that are good enough to keep you from going to Adobe to begin with, those options will not be good enough to satisfy someone that is using Adobe already.
It is one of the areas that Open Source and Linux lags the most.
Well unfortunately if they do not release a new os. I have to go to Linux on my desktop, unless I want to spend 300 dollars on a new CPU.
Not that you shouldn't install Linux but can't you bypass the CPU limitation?
It's a hardware limitation the security chip needed for windows 11 doesn't exist on my cpu
You can still get around it and install 11.
Remember when Microsoft made the bold claim that Windows 10 would be the last OS and reassured us it would just be updated perpetually?
Like, no one believed them, but to stop supporting Windows 10 after a bold claim like that is just insulting.
you are morally obligated to pirate windows 10 ltsc
(if you must use windows)
Fun fact: Lenovo sells some laptops without Windows license too. The amount saved will depend on the laptop and region. Unfortunately this isn't available for all laptops.
Example:
Compatibility image link
If you're just buying a laptop/desktop normally, you're paying this without realizing it.
In this case, it's 22.5% of the price.
Wish more did that tbh.....esp as a tech person who MS and apple ran off with choices they made. Plus I like having more freedom on shiz to customize things more without risk it'll break that easily(without a major yearly update withstanding but still not as often as windows....)
Skimmed the US site. Unless I’m dumb, there’s no Non-Windows Key options on any products other than a Linux-variant that they currently up charge for.
What a shithole company.
There are people selling oem keys on eBay for $5-$7. It’s too easy to buy a “legit” key at this point.
but why would you when you can get it for free it's not like ms is gonna give two fucks about you. they make their real $$ from business licenses
And it's super easy to activate it while having pirated it
Not to mention that Windows is basically completely functional without being activated
And most of the stuff they disable can be reenabled via group policy. Only thing I need personally is dark mode.
But what's the risk you're buying keys purchased with stolen funds like on sketchy video game key resellers?
You lose your 5-7€ because the code doesn't exist or has already been used.
That literally is it.
It is just a short string of letters and numbers, nothing nefarious can be done with that.
My concern was around situations where someone buys keys with a stolen credit card, and sells them as a form of money laundering.
That feels nefarious, and not participating in marketplaces with a high likelihood of participating in money laundering seems like a good method of harm reduction.
kid named Microsoft Activation Scripts:
May I suggest you try to warm up to Linux
Only my main machine runs Windows, my server and my machine running my 3D printers are running Linux (though different flavors)
My main machine runs Windows primarily due to the Adobe Suite which doesn't work well with WINE
I would if I could play Forza Horizon on it.
if you have an AMD GPU it will run fine on Linux
It seems like NVIDIA is technically possible but has severe issues with it though
I have a nVidia unfortunately. And the thing I'm more worried about is that my system is running on the edge while playing so I doubt it will run as smooth on Linux.
On the other hand I am currently looking for a decent ThinkPad and that's getting a fresh Linux Mint installation.
Terrible time to warm up to Red Hat or Ubuntu though.
Why?
Snap packages and Red Hat turning Open Source stuff into Closed Source.
Red hat because they are more or less becoming anti open source. Unbuntu because it's cool to hate.
I just rolled back to Win 10 after finally succumbing to the frustration of Win11 running like frozen molasses.
With a side bonus of Linux Mint 21.2 for good measure. Forgot just how much I enjoyed Mint!
Mint has been such a smooth experience for me, as well! I'm glad that Linux gaming is improving, as its one of the few things keeping me using windows. Manjaro is supposedly very beginner friendly, as well.
Do not use Manjaro. It is a trap. It is like dating a narcissist.
At first, it looks and feels great. One day, it will completely turn on you.
That's disappointing to hear. Even the stable branch is problematic?
Interesting 🤔. It's basically Windows 10 with some change here and there, in performance I personally didn't notice a difference, maybe it is more noticeable in older computers or something.
11 is ok, but out of the box it needs more tweaks than 10 and they have been saying they'd bring back folder previews for YEARS and they haven't done it
The only feature that I'm missing from earlier Windows' is the desktop peek on hovering the lower right corner, otherwise GUI-wise it doesn't make too much of a difference to Windows 10. Or maybe I've just been using 11 for so long that I forgot?
The GUI is annoying in 11, but that's really not the issue for most people. It's the constant barrage of "USE FUCKING EDGE" over and over and over, the treating the operating system like it's an advertising platform, not an operating system. It's the ever-increasing spyware, it's that they never learned that nobody liked them constantly re-installing Skype and Candy Crush even when you've uninstalled them in Windows 10 that they kept the same bullshit in 11.
My personal favorite to be pissed off about is that you're literally not allowed to make a local account in any normal way in Windows 11, they force you to use a Microsoft Account unless you know a bunch of PowerShell commands to interrupt the install process and force it to allow you to make a local account. Then, after you've already jumped through technical hoops to get a local account, Microsoft decides that the best thing to do is advertise at you again about how you shouldn't be using a local account and you should consider switching to a Microsoft account! Like fuck me, the anti-consumer "It's Microsoft's operating system and you just live here" has been kicked up to obscene levels in 11.
Those are the issues, the GUI is (for the most part) fine. Although I will say every time I use 11 I'm confused about where to find "copy" and "paste" because they decided to drop words for iconography. Like, I've never seen these icons before, how am I supposed to know that's the new "cut," "copy," and "paste?" It's absurd. However, I can manage to live with that, or change it in RegEdit if I really hate it that much. The GUI is annoying but the least shitty of the Windows 11 crimes.
I agree with all of this, the new right click menu is so poorly implemented, it could have been so much better.
The edge bullshit is why I may go full Linux by the time windows 12 rolls around, and just boot up windows for gaming if I absolutely have to.
you can actually get around the local account thing with a windows pro licence instead of home not to defend it that's stupid and anti consumer and I hate that but just in case you didn't know they do harass you a bit less about local accounts at least with that so I got that as it was almost the same price as home for me anyway but yeah windows sucks I dual boot mint for that reason and prefer using mint but sometimes some things just only work on windows like bethesda games are just meant to be modded and none of the mod managers support linux there's sort of a workaround for MO2 but it's not great and fomod installers don't work
What are you talking about?
Sign-in Options - Offline account still works.
And you can just install pro and let it join a domain...
If you install Windows 11 and pull out the internet connection, it allows you to install with a local account.
In the pro edition you can even just select local account.
Can you not still do that? I feel like I can still do that. Maybe it's an addon I have.
Can someone get me a link to that image? I’m going to own my first PC in a few days (my CS major requires a lot of stuff that only works on Windows) and I want to use it as a desktop background
Good news is I was able to find the source image by looking up the OP in the image on Twitter
Bad news is the image is 480p
linky link
Good news again, it would probably be funnier to edit it into the proportions of the normal W10 wallpaper, so the low resolution could be worked around in a funnier way