Anti-Semitic incidents in US up about 400% since Israel-Hamas war began: Report
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Antisemitic incidents in the United States rose by about 400% in slightly over two weeks since war broke out in the Middle East after Palestinian Islamist group Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, advocacy group Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said Wednesday. Read more at straitstimes.com.
Curious how that compares to the rise in anti-Muslim hate incidents.
Let me guess, they define antisemitism as anything outside of fully supporting Israel’s genocide?
+1 I guess.
Kinda.
I guess if you're going to count every rally protesting the siege of Gaza as "implicit support for Hamas", the spike would correlate pretty closely with... you know, the siege of Gaza.
But I do not doubt that genuine attacks are also on the rise. This issue is assholes all the way down, honestly.
Agreed. There are no good guys here.
There’s a lot of innocent people involved… they may not be bad guys?
But yeah. None of the belligerents and their supports are good.
An insane stat I came to learn is that majority of population in Gaza is under the age of 18. Lot of innocent seems like an understatement.
I think... I don't want to live in this world anymore. anyone wanna join me on the moon?
maybe we can get it right if we keep the numbers small?
I'm going to be very blunt here and repeat something that was once said to me regarding the Palestinians: "They breed like animals."
As racist and dehumanizing as that is, I'm repeating it because it's an explanation for why a single state solution (absorbing the Palestinian population and granting them Israeli citizenship) is never going to be an option. If Arab citizens outnumber Jews, Israel would cease to be a Jewish state.
That means that any solution acceptable to Israel must require that the Palestinians either eke out a living on their designated reservations and shut the fuck up, or leave. A third option involving partial integration might look like apartheid South Africa in the 1980s, but that probably looks like a 'slippery slope' given how that situation in SA turned out.
As long as I'm repeating nasty things people have told me, I'll repeat something else that seems analogous to me. A coworker who was a Hungarian immigrant to North America once explained to me that in the 1930s Hungary repeatedly asked their Jewish population (nicely) to get the fuck out of their country. By her account, the Hungarians didn't care where they went. They didn't even want anything bad to happen to the Jews. They simply didn't want them there and they gave them ample opportunity to go away on their own. Again, by her account.
It was a terrible dilemma until the Germans came in and solved their problem. She said it was a great thing that the Germans did for her country.
That was the day I learned I was carpooling with a fucking Nazi. In Canada. In 2004. Those were more innocent days for me.
It's funny you say that the palestinians breed like animals. Yet that's the same phrase I've heard regarding the Jewish. “Be fruitful and multiply” is literally the first command/mitzvah of the Torah. A local Rabbi that I know has 10 children and he's in his early 30s! To which he believes he's faithfully upholding the commands.
I think all humans have same desire when it comes to breeding. I don't think the core instinct that made humans over such long period of time in evolution is going to particularly differ based on last few thousand years of separation. They will make more kids when they feel that the conditions seem favorable to have more kids, combined with the social constructs in which you are surrounded by. For example, during covid, birth rates declined because people were increasingly uncertain about the future. And even within Jewish subset, we can see that orthodox Jewish have nearly double the amount of kids versus non-orthodox. Use and availability of contraception also obviously plays a huge role, and if they were not available in the west, I think the west's population would be ever increasing as well.
Palestinians likely lack access to contraception, and therefore, will have higher rate of birth rate than Israelis who do have access to contraception.
So I do not quite agree with your original premise of why unification of the states is not a great forecast. But I still do agree that the idea of unification is pretty much screwed. There's far too much hate and strife between them at this point. I believe every such scenarios of the past ended in one way: extreme violence. If it ever gets to the stage of ethnic cleansing, certainly Israel will win with the overwhelming superiority in military power. But we're stuck despite that because the world is watching which prevents Israel from doing just that. We're at a unique impasse with no solutions.
It's possible legitimate attacks are on the rise but how is this group able to track them with such precision to know of every event occurring on a daily basis across the country/world?
They don't have to. They certainly sample, just like any other group. It is also how the SPLC tracks rises in hate activities.
Given the shit they're counting as "antisemitism" it's surprising this number isn't higher.
They’re definitely turning into the boy who cried wolf here.
What scares me is that, people are going to stop paying attention and dismissing actual antisemitism and hate crimes.
Yeah I can't even look at that word without asking myself 'well whose definition are you using?' It's alreay a deflated term, too much more and it will mean about as much as the word 'woke' does these days.
Israel is probably more concerned with moving it's ethnic cleansing of Gaza/West Bank forward than protecting Jewish people in the USA.
Hell, the Islraeli government doesn't seem too concerned about protecting Jewish folks in Israel.
Turning into?
yeah. Used to be way less likely people would actually notice. You could sneak in a "maybe we shouldn't be so blind to what's going on" kind of argument edgewise. now the ADL has trolls out on social media pushing their narrative. well. maybe it's not the ADL, per se.
It's akin to US politicians passing some draconian/authoritarian law "for the children" and then accusing anyone who speaks against it as someone who hates children, is a predator, or someone who supports child trafficking. Like them uttering their magic phrase suddenly makes any opposition indefensible.
One thing I’ve learned in the last two weeks is just what a dishonest actor the ADL is. They have almost no credibility as far as I’m concerned anymore. What a disservice to Jewish people.
Islamophobia remains unchanged because that stat was maxed out years ago
Oh Jesus I shouldn't laugh but goddamn.
You're right.
Aaaaaaaaand disqualified.
Literally anything even kinda not zionist is anti-semitic to those psychopaths.
Gimme a stat that doesn't include any time a college student so much as thought that the nakba was a dick move.
They literally got a Palestinian advocacy group at my uni shut down. Those students were advocating for peaceful protests.
Eli Valley made a great comic on the threat of Israel to Judaism. One of the most important Jewish anti-zionists of our time.
I can believe it. A lot of hate against Jews around.
Yeah, they're counting anything that says they aren't justified in killing Palestinian children.
Honestly it's surprisingly little.
It's also counting shit like protests against Israel. The ADL is a Zionist organization through and through, so they shouldn't be considered a reliable source on this.
In my country, the most leftist of leftists started targeting and harassing Jewish businesses with pro-palestine propaganda
If that ain't the most fascistic thing an "anti-fascist" has ever done, I don't know what it is
Which country is?
Spain
https://amp.elmundo.es/cataluna/2023/10/21/6533bf4efdddff58828b458f.html
This coming from someone who thinks "pronoun usage is BS," who thinks American natives are "white people cosplaying" and thinks Mexican natives don't exist and are all of Spanish decent.
My "shit fascists say" detector is off the charts right now.
Holy shit how low must your reading comprehension skills or how twisted must your mind be to understand that
If I'm twisted for "understanding that" what does that make you for saying these things in the first place?
No, you're twisted for distorting my comments
You're doing great buddy, keep it up
If your objective is to be as annoying as a pimple in the ass you're doing great
Why call them leftist at that point?
Idk, but something something horseshoe "theory"(keeps getting more factual)
Not even close. Try and compare anarchism to fascism - you can't.
Both end up having gangs of thugs beating up dissenters
Nope. Anarchism has nothing to "dissent" to - no authority, no hierarchy, no state. Please read more before speaking on things of which you have no understanding.
Anarchism literally has the most dissenters, as the vast majority of humans want some form of state
Got a source for the idea that most people like to be stepped on? I myself believe most people have more self respect than wanting to be ruled.
Aside from the English. We seem to have a serious dom fetish.
Yes, most people want someone that stops the guy they have in front of them from brutally killing them
Three questions:
Why is there a guy trying to kill you?
Why is no one else helping?
Why must it be a state, rather than any group of people?
Answer them as honestly as you can. You may find your mind changing.
1.because he wants my stuff
2.because most people don't want to take the risk
3.because it is above people fighting each other. That guy could have called his gang and impose himself over the rest
Interesting. What stuff? Food, house, shiny car? Be more precise.
If food or housing - why does he not already have access to these? This is allegedly an anarchist society, which would offer these things freely to people who need them. Why has this person not been given them? Your story is inconsistent.
Are you sure about that? Do you have a source proving that most people don't want to help people because of risk, inherently, as a part of human nature itself, rather than as a result of our hyper individualist and hierarchical society that operates on zero-sum rules - helping others means you lose something of your own.
A state is not "above people fighting each other". States are the entities which enact the most violence in this world, and have been for all of history. States rely on violence - at the local level with police, to keep citizens in line, and on the world stage using wars to get what they want.
You cannot say states are above violence with a straight face if you have any knowledge of history and society.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1028258032000055612
Practicing what they're preaching hasn't ever really been their strength
What do you mean by "they"? Leftists?