On a related note, do any other countries actively celebrate their historic genocides? My understanding is Canada and Australia try to pretend it didn't happen, and most of the others killed theirs indigenous people long before anyone cared
We still have Australia day on invasion day, there's a decent push to change it, but the general concensus is problems of the past belong to people of the past and you can't rectify permanent history by creating new inequalities when there's a percentage of the entire population that still struggle with necessities.
As long as the government is doing something to help those who are still suffering the consequences of that pasttime, we're good, right?
Right?
Their position is no different to any destitute citizen, raise them all together.
...or is that raze them all together...
I can't remember, is Authoritarianism heads? Or tails?
Canada has actually been doing quite a lot of awareness in the past few years. There was the truth and reconciliation commission and there's a nationally recognized day. Indigenous education has also been integrated into school curriculums in some provinces.
It's not a ton and can never make up for what happened, but it's far ahead of Australia who has done nothing from what I can tell.
I'm my childhood the entire family would meet at a designated house, with each person bringing their designated dish. My family is Catholic and very religious. Thanksgiving was about thanking God for what we had, and about over eating and drinking too much. Pilgrims, Native Americans, colonization, or genocide was never part of the conversation. Just God and being thankful for each other.
I think the history of Thanksgiving, like that of Halloween and to some extent Christmas, is lost on most everyone.
EDIT: To be clear, I'm not defending the genocide of Native Americans. I'm just saying that many people are in ignorant bliss.
Yes. Christianity has a long history of repurposing festivals of other cultures into the core mythos.
It's especially funny to me when some people start screaming to "put Christ back into Christmas" then proceeded with using nothing but pagan symbols. Then they sing about the twelve days of Christmas and only celebrate the first day.
All cultures do this, and I think this is part of that persons point.
In mainstream culture now, Christmas is not about Jesus, or the pagan solstice the Christians took it from.
Now it’s just about giving presents and being with family and other modern traditions driven mostly by commercialism.
Just like thanksgiving isn’t about pilgrims or native Americans, Halloween isn’t about all saint or all souls or whatever it was. Easter isn’t about Jesus rising (or whatever pagan holiday that was probably originally based on) it’s just about a bunny and colored eggs.
And I am politely refraining from explaining why converting "we dicked over the indigenous people but tell ourselves they liked it" to "we are truly blessed by God" is somehow even worse.
Mostly because the subject of this protest does that for me
Many people were not educated about the true history. So they weren’t celebrating “we dicked over the indigenous people” day.
Yes. Propaganda is strong and critical thinking is low. That changes nothing and is just a blatant attempt to absolve oneself of any guilt
As an American, yea we kinda don't know or care about the historical context anymore. We just get taught, and have reiterated, the whole "native Americans and colonists sat down together in peace to share a feast" aspect of it and forget the genocide and colonial violence that befell the Wampanoags.
I don't really celebrate it anymore because celebrating it kinda feels like celebrating the massacre and enslavement of natives by a colonial European power.
We've just started celebrating Truth and Reconciliation Day on Sept 30 in Canada but I don't think anyone but the First Nations and the try hard use the day for any kind of truth or reconciliation. I played video games all day myself. Not sure if the day itself had any historical significance, we still celebrate Thanksgiving in October.
"We have to remind ourselves how blessed we are to live in the greatest nation on the face of the earth," the president said.
So sick of that bullshit
I used to think the same thing of my native Venezuela 😆😆😆
Then I traveled abroad.
At least they're not shouting it from the rooftops all the time over there
Oh they do!
I just want a sign that on one side says: "People that fire missles and kill civilians are responsible for their deaths, no mater the situation or the rational."
On the other side it would read: "If you think I am criticizing Israel instead of Hamas then you are admitting you can't tell the difference."
"if killing thousands of civilians at a festival makes you a terrorist what does killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in schools and hospitals make you?"
Tens of thousands* in the latter case. Let's not ignore the vast differences in scale and power.
Other than that, you're spot on.
Makes you a freedom fighter. Fighting to provide freedom from the terrorists who use those people as human shields.
Uh. Your 2nd sentence is sus. You're not criticizing Israel?
I think not. I think he's criticizing hamas.
Bracing for the "I'm all for their right to protest as long as they don't disrupt anything" idiots..
If it doesn't disrupt anything, can it even really be considered a protest?
Nope, it can't. Good luck explaining that to the "I get that climate but inconveniencing commuters illegal" contingent, though..
If it doesn’t disrupt anything, can it even really be considered a protest?
Yes, it can. The goal of non-disruptive peaceful protests is sometimes just to stand up and make it clear that a significant number of people hold this view.
Sometimes the intended audience is the protesters' own society, but in other cases it is intended as a show of solidarity to let oppressed people know they are not forgotten.
People are tired of wasting their time for no attention. If your cause needs attention, you don't politely stand on the sidewalk.
If you want to protest disruptively that's fine. I'm not advocating for one style over another, I'm just pointing out that both are valid forms of protest.
"tHeY aReN't WiNnInG aNyOnE oVeR" lmao
Let this be the American version of the famous Tiananmen Square photo, complete with Grimace in shock in the background.
I mean they have a point.
I aint watching a 20 second add for a 27s video.. fuck off abc.
I didn't see it. Adblockers for the win! So happy they added those to Firefox on phones.
We've had uBlock for years on mobile Firefox? But it was an extension, does it now come stock?
Firefox Mobile had a very select number of extensions until the latest version.
I need to learn you ways, wise one. I shall investigate!
Grimace is about to McFuckin lose it.
I wonder if Grimace has chosen his side in the conflict.
I think we all know he has.
Oh great. The rightoids are probably creaming themselves at the idea of a headline that says something like “Palestinian Supporters disrupt parade, sign says ‘Genocide Now’”
I Guarantee it.
My friend showed me a thumbnail that basically said "Genocide...Genocide" in front of a blow up minion. I don't know much about minions, but I feel like they might be the type.
Of course Gru wouldn't let them do it, he acts tough but he has a soft heart.
But the minions themselves, absolutely. Those guys are little sociopaths
Fuck yeah.
On a related note, do any other countries actively celebrate their historic genocides? My understanding is Canada and Australia try to pretend it didn't happen, and most of the others killed theirs indigenous people long before anyone cared
We still have Australia day on invasion day, there's a decent push to change it, but the general concensus is problems of the past belong to people of the past and you can't rectify permanent history by creating new inequalities when there's a percentage of the entire population that still struggle with necessities.
As long as the government is doing something to help those who are still suffering the consequences of that pasttime, we're good, right?
Right?
Their position is no different to any destitute citizen, raise them all together.
...or is that raze them all together...
I can't remember, is Authoritarianism heads? Or tails?
Oh.
The US also has multiple holidays where we just changed the name and the focus, and quietly pretend the South doesn't still celebrate them
Canada has actually been doing quite a lot of awareness in the past few years. There was the truth and reconciliation commission and there's a nationally recognized day. Indigenous education has also been integrated into school curriculums in some provinces.
It's not a ton and can never make up for what happened, but it's far ahead of Australia who has done nothing from what I can tell.
I'm my childhood the entire family would meet at a designated house, with each person bringing their designated dish. My family is Catholic and very religious. Thanksgiving was about thanking God for what we had, and about over eating and drinking too much. Pilgrims, Native Americans, colonization, or genocide was never part of the conversation. Just God and being thankful for each other.
I think the history of Thanksgiving, like that of Halloween and to some extent Christmas, is lost on most everyone.
EDIT: To be clear, I'm not defending the genocide of Native Americans. I'm just saying that many people are in ignorant bliss.
Yes. Christianity has a long history of repurposing festivals of other cultures into the core mythos.
It's especially funny to me when some people start screaming to "put Christ back into Christmas" then proceeded with using nothing but pagan symbols. Then they sing about the twelve days of Christmas and only celebrate the first day.
All cultures do this, and I think this is part of that persons point.
In mainstream culture now, Christmas is not about Jesus, or the pagan solstice the Christians took it from.
Now it’s just about giving presents and being with family and other modern traditions driven mostly by commercialism.
Just like thanksgiving isn’t about pilgrims or native Americans, Halloween isn’t about all saint or all souls or whatever it was. Easter isn’t about Jesus rising (or whatever pagan holiday that was probably originally based on) it’s just about a bunny and colored eggs.
And I am politely refraining from explaining why converting "we dicked over the indigenous people but tell ourselves they liked it" to "we are truly blessed by God" is somehow even worse.
Mostly because the subject of this protest does that for me
Many people were not educated about the true history. So they weren’t celebrating “we dicked over the indigenous people” day.
Yes. Propaganda is strong and critical thinking is low. That changes nothing and is just a blatant attempt to absolve oneself of any guilt
As an American, yea we kinda don't know or care about the historical context anymore. We just get taught, and have reiterated, the whole "native Americans and colonists sat down together in peace to share a feast" aspect of it and forget the genocide and colonial violence that befell the Wampanoags.
I don't really celebrate it anymore because celebrating it kinda feels like celebrating the massacre and enslavement of natives by a colonial European power.
We've just started celebrating Truth and Reconciliation Day on Sept 30 in Canada but I don't think anyone but the First Nations and the try hard use the day for any kind of truth or reconciliation. I played video games all day myself. Not sure if the day itself had any historical significance, we still celebrate Thanksgiving in October.
So sick of that bullshit
I used to think the same thing of my native Venezuela 😆😆😆
Then I traveled abroad.
At least they're not shouting it from the rooftops all the time over there
Oh they do!
I just want a sign that on one side says: "People that fire missles and kill civilians are responsible for their deaths, no mater the situation or the rational."
On the other side it would read: "If you think I am criticizing Israel instead of Hamas then you are admitting you can't tell the difference."
"if killing thousands of civilians at a festival makes you a terrorist what does killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in schools and hospitals make you?"
Tens of thousands* in the latter case. Let's not ignore the vast differences in scale and power.
Other than that, you're spot on.
Makes you a freedom fighter. Fighting to provide freedom from the terrorists who use those people as human shields.
Uh. Your 2nd sentence is sus. You're not criticizing Israel?
I think not. I think he's criticizing hamas.
Bracing for the "I'm all for their right to protest as long as they don't disrupt anything" idiots..
If it doesn't disrupt anything, can it even really be considered a protest?
Nope, it can't. Good luck explaining that to the "I get that climate but inconveniencing commuters illegal" contingent, though..
Yes, it can. The goal of non-disruptive peaceful protests is sometimes just to stand up and make it clear that a significant number of people hold this view.
Sometimes the intended audience is the protesters' own society, but in other cases it is intended as a show of solidarity to let oppressed people know they are not forgotten.
People are tired of wasting their time for no attention. If your cause needs attention, you don't politely stand on the sidewalk.
If you want to protest disruptively that's fine. I'm not advocating for one style over another, I'm just pointing out that both are valid forms of protest.
"tHeY aReN't WiNnInG aNyOnE oVeR" lmao
Let this be the American version of the famous Tiananmen Square photo, complete with Grimace in shock in the background.
I mean they have a point.
I aint watching a 20 second add for a 27s video.. fuck off abc.
I didn't see it. Adblockers for the win! So happy they added those to Firefox on phones.
We've had uBlock for years on mobile Firefox? But it was an extension, does it now come stock?
Firefox Mobile had a very select number of extensions until the latest version.
I need to learn you ways, wise one. I shall investigate!
Grimace is about to McFuckin lose it.
I wonder if Grimace has chosen his side in the conflict.
I think we all know he has.
Oh great. The rightoids are probably creaming themselves at the idea of a headline that says something like “Palestinian Supporters disrupt parade, sign says ‘Genocide Now’”
I Guarantee it.
My friend showed me a thumbnail that basically said "Genocide...Genocide" in front of a blow up minion. I don't know much about minions, but I feel like they might be the type.
Of course Gru wouldn't let them do it, he acts tough but he has a soft heart.
But the minions themselves, absolutely. Those guys are little sociopaths