D-word, so you’re saying I can play PS5 from a dang steam deck?
D-word
Dagnabbit?
Defibrillator?
Dingus
0xFFFFFFFF
Maybe dactyloscopy
Via Chiaki evidently.
Takes minutes to set up, highly recommend it. I use it on my PS4 all the time.
Remote play in the house is excellent with Chiaki. I know it works across the web as well, but I can’t figure it out. It just doesn’t work and I have no idea if it’s the way I set up chiaki, the way I set up port forwarding, the way my router handles port forwarding, or simply the internet connection from which I’m attempting to connect. I wonder if the Portal has these issues, because not having to deal with any of that is actually a pretty solid selling point.
My guess would be that if you’re having trouble with Chiaki, you will probably have trouble PS portal as well, as usually those issues are at the modem level and have to do with your settings.
You have to do additional setup to do Chiaki from outside of your network. With the PS Remote App, they handle everything.
I don't think either are acceptable local, let alone outside the network, for anything that demands any kind of reaction time, but it's OK enough for turn based or slower games.
Word my bad!
You might be on a CG-NAT network which makes port forwarding impossible. Some ISPs will disable it if you ask (or give you an ipv6 IP which isn't affected by the issue).
How can I go about learning what any of this means and how to look for it?
If you go to https://ipinfo.io at home (over wifi or ethernet) and it says your ip is in the 100.64.0.0/10 range, then you are on a CG-NAT network.
This wikipedia article may be helpful. The short answer is that we are running out of public IPv4 addresses so CG-NAT is used so a bunch of users can essentially share 1 (or a few) public IPs. From the router's perspective, you have a public IP that is actually a private IP in the 100.64.0.0/10 range.
However, not having a real public IP means you have no way for remote devices to directly access your router, so port forwarding won't work.
Yup. Works great.
Been able to all along Xbox as well. Saved my bacon when I ruptured my Achilles tendon.
Hope you’re feeling better. Good to know it’s possible, as I’ve got more cash invested into the PlayStation platform than I probably should have.
Yes, it's a pretty popular option.
Sony's own PS Remote Play app has always been garbage. Even on PC, on phones, on anything. I never had faith they'd improve it for Portal. Sony has only disappointed me nonstop since 2011. Steam has only continued to win me over time and time again.
Ever since the PS3 they have been a generation behind Xbox for online services and connectivity in their consoles.
So I seriously miss the target audience of PS Portal? Are they only targeting people who want to use this device in their own houses either in the bed or on the sofa? And that's a pretty steep price for such a useless device.
That fact that it can't even play direct from the PS+ cloud gaming service shows what a half-baked device this is.
In order for me to be interested it would have to be able to stream games in from my PS5, PS+ cloud gaming, and my PC. Maybe add Xbox GamePass streaming as well.
Realistically it's going to have to come from a third party if it wants all that, at which point you might as well just have a controller grip for your phone.
I got a razer kishi for my phone and prevented me from getting a steam deck. If I didn't have a switch already the steam deck would have been awesome though
Yes. I questioned the usefulness of such a device on it's announcement (on Reddit) and was swarmed by fanboys. I've not seen that on Lemmy, so we might be safe.
Are there any privacy or security concerns using chiaki?
Nope. It is all local
Holy cow, this is awesome. Gonna set this up later!
Been using Chiaki on my Steam Deck for a while now. Portable Bloodborne was great.
So I just set it up and tested out a few different games and I'm encountering some pretty consistent. Periodic lag spikes where the visuals totally stop and get glitched out, any suggestions? I'm doing 720p 10000
I had to tinker with settings a bit, and don't recall exactly what I had to do. I remember it being glitchy, and I was able to get rid of it with one of the graphics options. I'm using Chiaki4Deck, which is a fork of Chiaki specifically made for Steam Deck, in case we're talking about different settings.
One thing that possibly rings a bell is the window behind the game (the Chiaki app where you pick a console) is still open in the background which could cause flashing and glitching. Have you tried running it in Desktop mode?
Also, sometimes it doesn't connect and the only way to get it to try again is by resetting the PS5. Once it's connected, it works fine.
Quite a price difference between them to be fair.
Honestly the PS Portal seems extremely expensive for a remote play only device. I feel like the Deck is a much better value proposition with it being able to play games on it's own and work away from your home network.
I agree it is. That said. This isn't an even match, and they are sold as two different use cases. One is a full on computer, the other is literally just a single purpose thin client "portal."
You should consider any bells and whistles that come with a 500+ device, like hdr, showing up on a 200 device a friggin miracle bonus.
To be fair, the deck can be a lot cheaper than 500+. Comparing a $350 64GB LCD deck to a $200 PS Portal really favors the Deck. Neither device supports HDR at that price, but the Deck can do so much more than the Portal.
I'm just gonna drop this comment to say this community seems super disappointing. Just a circle jerk. It's not a competition between your favorite thing and another thing. It's okay for some people to spend less for something else.
I really hate communities that act this way. it's so weird. And for what.
Personally I was just really disappointed with the PS Portal pricing, feels priced far too high for what it is. I think stream only devices can be decent, but they need to be priced more competitively.
Shrug, the thing sold out at that price point. It can be "too expensive" and also the right price for the market.
And honestly, a display, an arm chipset, good wifi, Bluetooth, all the dualsense modules. The cost of production adds up.
There have been a lot of armchair experts around this thing whinging about it, but people who bought them are super happy. Why rain on that parade? Just be cool about it.
It's priced badly but idk if I can call it priced unreasonably because it contains a dualsense controller which is expensive as is.
I'm not a PS Portal customer at any price point and I'm a consistent Sony customer. Maybe if they got it down to the $99-$129 range? It just doesn't make any sense to me given the options out there.
One is a gaming pc, and the other is a controller with a screen that lags doing its one job.
Fully aware.
Kind of the point I was making. It's a cheaper device for a reason. This is like complaining that a chromebook has no local graphics horsepower. No shit? Why did you buy it expecting that? Oh because you picked the cheapest thing that vaguely resembled the form factor of what you wanted and expected it to do all the things the far more expensive options can?
Neither of these devices are brand gouging, you're getting the hardware capacity you're paying for.
Yet Sony’s device main focus should be the screen, since it’s just a portable screen…
The fact that they didn’t even put a WiFi 6 capable card in it shows they don’t give a shit about delivering a good product.
People will still buy it regardless. That’s why they don’t care.
I feel like the fact that this is downvoted is showing the disconnection that Lemmy has as a hub for tech inclined users, I know many people waiting to buy the portal and while I know it's kind of a useless device, it works for a lot of people and $200 is at about that sweet spot.
Why compare the Portal to the Deck? The Retroid Pocket 3/3+/4/etc. and Ayn Odin are much more comparable (and better I'd say)
Edit to address the down votes: my point is that the Portal is not an arm processor. Hence why I chose arm based devices instead of the Ally or any number of AYANEO handhelds. I think devices in the same device category matter way more than 1st/3rd party offerings. If that were the case, we could talk about how everyone prefers Chiaki or whatever the 3rd party ps streaming app is to the first party offering, etc.
Because it's showing how garbage the Portal is.
The Portal is first party hardware that:
Can only do one job as opposed to the Steamdeck
Does its singular job worse than the Steamdeck does the exact same job
I don't think this is a completely fair comparison. I have a Steam Deck OLED and I don't have a PS5 or a Portal, but I can see the appeal of the Portal (though initially I thought it was kind of dumb too). The screen is bigger and higher resolution, it's a first party device with pretty much the same ergonomics as the controller you'd be used to, and it is significantly cheaper than any OLED version of the steam deck and roughly half the price of the base model LCD steam deck (with the caveat that the 64GB LCD version can currently be had for $350 "while supplies last").
Is the Steam Deck a great device? Absolutely! It does more than the Portal in that it can play games on its own (and is kind of a full computer), and the price of the Steam Deck is actually insanely good for what it is. The fact that you can set one up for remote play on a PS5 is also pretty cool, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if people did opt to spend a little more for a Steam Deck vs a Portal...
But realistically if you're a busy parent or something and you just want to play your PS5 around the house (which I thought was a stupid use case, and was a reason I held off on getting a Steam Deck... But it's actually really nice), I can totally see the appeal of just getting the Portal because it's cheaper than a Steam Deck, has a bigger and higher resolution screen (though not OLED), won't need any tinkering at all, and will just have the layout and features you're used to in the controller. It's definitely a relatively niche device, but I don't think it's insanely priced for what it is and I think a decent chunk of people will be happy with it... But if you're not in the target market it might seem a little silly.
As I get older I value money less and time and not having to mess with stuff more. I think the Portal really isn't targeting younger people who are less willing to spend money, and more willing to put up with jankier solutions like just using your phone... It's targeting older people who just want to buy a decent quality thing that will just work out of the box so they can play games while they watch their kids or whatever.
Can the Portal really be called decent quality if it's on a short tether and is beat for quality by nerds on the internet who made Chiaki?
To me it felt like the Portal was a limited-usage first-party cash grab, and as a Wii U owner that's saying something (the extra screen was honestly not worth the space it took up, the money and materials would have been better spent elsewhere).
Most of my experiences with my first-party PlayStation related hardware and software has been mediocre at best, and that includes the operating system on something like the PS4.
Perhaps I am just jaded after my collective Sony experienced, but I think that Sony could have created an actually decent product, but instead they saw a nice handheld gaming device and wanted to try to muscle their way into the market without putting in the effort or money to make it even as good as the Wii U controller.
I think you're just not the target market. If you're not somebody who has the luxury to keep up on whatever the nerds on the internet are making, you're probably happy to have a first party product to buy. Honestly part of the appeal of products like this is just the luxury to not have to research the thing to figure out if you can make it do what you want --- that's clearly not something you care about, and that's fine...
D-word, so you’re saying I can play PS5 from a dang steam deck?
Dagnabbit?
Defibrillator?
Dingus
0xFFFFFFFF
Maybe dactyloscopy
Via Chiaki evidently.
Takes minutes to set up, highly recommend it. I use it on my PS4 all the time.
Remote play in the house is excellent with Chiaki. I know it works across the web as well, but I can’t figure it out. It just doesn’t work and I have no idea if it’s the way I set up chiaki, the way I set up port forwarding, the way my router handles port forwarding, or simply the internet connection from which I’m attempting to connect. I wonder if the Portal has these issues, because not having to deal with any of that is actually a pretty solid selling point.
My guess would be that if you’re having trouble with Chiaki, you will probably have trouble PS portal as well, as usually those issues are at the modem level and have to do with your settings.
You have to do additional setup to do Chiaki from outside of your network. With the PS Remote App, they handle everything.
I don't think either are acceptable local, let alone outside the network, for anything that demands any kind of reaction time, but it's OK enough for turn based or slower games.
Word my bad!
You might be on a CG-NAT network which makes port forwarding impossible. Some ISPs will disable it if you ask (or give you an ipv6 IP which isn't affected by the issue).
How can I go about learning what any of this means and how to look for it?
If you go to https://ipinfo.io at home (over wifi or ethernet) and it says your ip is in the
100.64.0.0/10range, then you are on a CG-NAT network.This wikipedia article may be helpful. The short answer is that we are running out of public IPv4 addresses so CG-NAT is used so a bunch of users can essentially share 1 (or a few) public IPs. From the router's perspective, you have a public IP that is actually a private IP in the 100.64.0.0/10 range.
However, not having a real public IP means you have no way for remote devices to directly access your router, so port forwarding won't work.
Yup. Works great.
Been able to all along Xbox as well. Saved my bacon when I ruptured my Achilles tendon.
Hope you’re feeling better. Good to know it’s possible, as I’ve got more cash invested into the PlayStation platform than I probably should have.
Yes, it's a pretty popular option.
Sony's own PS Remote Play app has always been garbage. Even on PC, on phones, on anything. I never had faith they'd improve it for Portal. Sony has only disappointed me nonstop since 2011. Steam has only continued to win me over time and time again.
Ever since the PS3 they have been a generation behind Xbox for online services and connectivity in their consoles.
So I seriously miss the target audience of PS Portal? Are they only targeting people who want to use this device in their own houses either in the bed or on the sofa? And that's a pretty steep price for such a useless device.
That fact that it can't even play direct from the PS+ cloud gaming service shows what a half-baked device this is.
In order for me to be interested it would have to be able to stream games in from my PS5, PS+ cloud gaming, and my PC. Maybe add Xbox GamePass streaming as well.
Realistically it's going to have to come from a third party if it wants all that, at which point you might as well just have a controller grip for your phone.
I got a razer kishi for my phone and prevented me from getting a steam deck. If I didn't have a switch already the steam deck would have been awesome though
Yes. I questioned the usefulness of such a device on it's announcement (on Reddit) and was swarmed by fanboys. I've not seen that on Lemmy, so we might be safe.
Seems like a stupid decision to make remote play from PS5 system agnostic when your own handheld device doesn't even work with it.
Like, ELI5, what kind of executive decision making strategy is at play to completely undermine your unprofitable portable hardware?
Are there any privacy or security concerns using chiaki?
Nope. It is all local
Holy cow, this is awesome. Gonna set this up later!
Been using Chiaki on my Steam Deck for a while now. Portable Bloodborne was great.
So I just set it up and tested out a few different games and I'm encountering some pretty consistent. Periodic lag spikes where the visuals totally stop and get glitched out, any suggestions? I'm doing 720p 10000
I had to tinker with settings a bit, and don't recall exactly what I had to do. I remember it being glitchy, and I was able to get rid of it with one of the graphics options. I'm using Chiaki4Deck, which is a fork of Chiaki specifically made for Steam Deck, in case we're talking about different settings.
One thing that possibly rings a bell is the window behind the game (the Chiaki app where you pick a console) is still open in the background which could cause flashing and glitching. Have you tried running it in Desktop mode?
Also, sometimes it doesn't connect and the only way to get it to try again is by resetting the PS5. Once it's connected, it works fine.
Quite a price difference between them to be fair.
Honestly the PS Portal seems extremely expensive for a remote play only device. I feel like the Deck is a much better value proposition with it being able to play games on it's own and work away from your home network.
I agree it is. That said. This isn't an even match, and they are sold as two different use cases. One is a full on computer, the other is literally just a single purpose thin client "portal."
You should consider any bells and whistles that come with a 500+ device, like hdr, showing up on a 200 device a friggin miracle bonus.
To be fair, the deck can be a lot cheaper than 500+. Comparing a $350 64GB LCD deck to a $200 PS Portal really favors the Deck. Neither device supports HDR at that price, but the Deck can do so much more than the Portal.
I'm just gonna drop this comment to say this community seems super disappointing. Just a circle jerk. It's not a competition between your favorite thing and another thing. It's okay for some people to spend less for something else.
I really hate communities that act this way. it's so weird. And for what.
Personally I was just really disappointed with the PS Portal pricing, feels priced far too high for what it is. I think stream only devices can be decent, but they need to be priced more competitively.
Shrug, the thing sold out at that price point. It can be "too expensive" and also the right price for the market.
And honestly, a display, an arm chipset, good wifi, Bluetooth, all the dualsense modules. The cost of production adds up.
There have been a lot of armchair experts around this thing whinging about it, but people who bought them are super happy. Why rain on that parade? Just be cool about it.
It's priced badly but idk if I can call it priced unreasonably because it contains a dualsense controller which is expensive as is.
I'm not a PS Portal customer at any price point and I'm a consistent Sony customer. Maybe if they got it down to the $99-$129 range? It just doesn't make any sense to me given the options out there.
One is a gaming pc, and the other is a controller with a screen that lags doing its one job.
Fully aware.
Kind of the point I was making. It's a cheaper device for a reason. This is like complaining that a chromebook has no local graphics horsepower. No shit? Why did you buy it expecting that? Oh because you picked the cheapest thing that vaguely resembled the form factor of what you wanted and expected it to do all the things the far more expensive options can?
Neither of these devices are brand gouging, you're getting the hardware capacity you're paying for.
Yet Sony’s device main focus should be the screen, since it’s just a portable screen…
The fact that they didn’t even put a WiFi 6 capable card in it shows they don’t give a shit about delivering a good product.
People will still buy it regardless. That’s why they don’t care.
Reviewers: “It lags and is often unplayable”
Gamers: “SIGN ME UP!”
I feel like the fact that this is downvoted is showing the disconnection that Lemmy has as a hub for tech inclined users, I know many people waiting to buy the portal and while I know it's kind of a useless device, it works for a lot of people and $200 is at about that sweet spot.
Why compare the Portal to the Deck? The Retroid Pocket 3/3+/4/etc. and Ayn Odin are much more comparable (and better I'd say)
Edit to address the down votes: my point is that the Portal is not an arm processor. Hence why I chose arm based devices instead of the Ally or any number of AYANEO handhelds. I think devices in the same device category matter way more than 1st/3rd party offerings. If that were the case, we could talk about how everyone prefers Chiaki or whatever the 3rd party ps streaming app is to the first party offering, etc.
Because it's showing how garbage the Portal is.
The Portal is first party hardware that:
I don't think this is a completely fair comparison. I have a Steam Deck OLED and I don't have a PS5 or a Portal, but I can see the appeal of the Portal (though initially I thought it was kind of dumb too). The screen is bigger and higher resolution, it's a first party device with pretty much the same ergonomics as the controller you'd be used to, and it is significantly cheaper than any OLED version of the steam deck and roughly half the price of the base model LCD steam deck (with the caveat that the 64GB LCD version can currently be had for $350 "while supplies last").
Is the Steam Deck a great device? Absolutely! It does more than the Portal in that it can play games on its own (and is kind of a full computer), and the price of the Steam Deck is actually insanely good for what it is. The fact that you can set one up for remote play on a PS5 is also pretty cool, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if people did opt to spend a little more for a Steam Deck vs a Portal...
But realistically if you're a busy parent or something and you just want to play your PS5 around the house (which I thought was a stupid use case, and was a reason I held off on getting a Steam Deck... But it's actually really nice), I can totally see the appeal of just getting the Portal because it's cheaper than a Steam Deck, has a bigger and higher resolution screen (though not OLED), won't need any tinkering at all, and will just have the layout and features you're used to in the controller. It's definitely a relatively niche device, but I don't think it's insanely priced for what it is and I think a decent chunk of people will be happy with it... But if you're not in the target market it might seem a little silly.
As I get older I value money less and time and not having to mess with stuff more. I think the Portal really isn't targeting younger people who are less willing to spend money, and more willing to put up with jankier solutions like just using your phone... It's targeting older people who just want to buy a decent quality thing that will just work out of the box so they can play games while they watch their kids or whatever.
Can the Portal really be called decent quality if it's on a short tether and is beat for quality by nerds on the internet who made Chiaki?
To me it felt like the Portal was a limited-usage first-party cash grab, and as a Wii U owner that's saying something (the extra screen was honestly not worth the space it took up, the money and materials would have been better spent elsewhere).
Most of my experiences with my first-party PlayStation related hardware and software has been mediocre at best, and that includes the operating system on something like the PS4.
Perhaps I am just jaded after my collective Sony experienced, but I think that Sony could have created an actually decent product, but instead they saw a nice handheld gaming device and wanted to try to muscle their way into the market without putting in the effort or money to make it even as good as the Wii U controller.
I think you're just not the target market. If you're not somebody who has the luxury to keep up on whatever the nerds on the internet are making, you're probably happy to have a first party product to buy. Honestly part of the appeal of products like this is just the luxury to not have to research the thing to figure out if you can make it do what you want --- that's clearly not something you care about, and that's fine...