Biden called Trump a loser multiple times. Pointed out every single fucked up thing he's said and done. Biden went hard against Trump. This is the most I've seen him on the offensive. Keep this shit up!
He's got literally nothing else to motivate voters...
I'm relatively confident he can pull off a narrow win against trump. But if trumps off the ballots, and it's a "normal" Republican or even desantis, we might be fucked.
Biden wants trump to run for the same reason Hillary did, I just hope he's not dumb enough to actually help trump make it to the general like Hillary did
This isn't true anymore, though it was over the summer. DeSantis is polling neck-in-neck with Nikki Haley, down in the 15-16% range. That gets even smaller outside the GOP.
Make it to the general? Trump wins the primary hands down. He's like 70% in the polls.
Even Republicans don't like DeSantis. The more campaigning he has done nationally, the lower his numbers have gotten. He would get absolutely whooped. Trump is far more dangerous.
Republicans didn't like trump either and then gladly puckered up to kiss his taint when they realized he could get a crowd going.
You put your finger on the exact reason why DeSantis's campaign is in hospice.
But did he slam Trump? I can't get riled up about a story without a good slam.
Slam? I'm holding out for an evisceration.
FATALITY
Knowing how chummy these war criminals get with each other after office, it’ll probably be a friendality.
He definitely goes off.
I’d rather hear what he’s going to do and how he’s going to do it than be told shit we already know.
Look to the Democratic Party platform if you want to know what he'll aspire to. What he can actually do will be constrained by the Congress we elect and by the courts
Hasn’t been restrained by Congress when he bypasses it to fund a genocide but for anything else suddenly he has zero power
The President has a bunch of explicit power around military decisions.
That's not the same as being able to just go do anything.
Yeah because Republicans wanted that. Do you not understand civics? They don’t want anything else that actually helps America
That's the entire platform, 'we are not trump, although most of our policies mirror Trump, we are not him.'. And are shocked that's not enough for voters.
He's correct about Trump, but why do I doubt that this will make a lick of difference to the people who were going to vote Trump? Unfortunately him saying that will probably only confirm to the Trumpists that Trump is the scrappy underdog hero they already think he is.
The goal is not to convince Trump's core supporters, but to get low-information voters to understand what the choice they're making actually is.
The people that sue to keep people off ballots, RCV off ballots, rig their own primaries, and cancel primaries to install their chosen candidate have no business talking about threats to democracy
People that sue to keep insurrectionists off the ballot are fine by me.
That's not what being discussed here
Uh? How so?
The DNC has sued to keep Green party off state ballots, they argued in court they are a private corporation that can use primaries to install their preferred candidate, and theyve sued to keep RCV off ballots for future elections, and sued to keep RCV off ballots where its already passed for use.
Trump, who you are referring to, even though he is a piece of shit, has only keep accused of insurrection, not charged with it. Whether you like it or not, until he's charged, he should be free to stay on the ballots. Which is what I expect SCOTUS to rule.
The DNCs corrupt shittiness aside.
Trump, who you are referring to, even though he is a piece of shit, has only keep accused of insurrection, not charged with it. Whether you like it or not, until he’s charged, blah blah blah.
Have you been completely living under a rock the last 6 months? He's been charged.
Point out where he's been charged with insurrection
Go waste someone else's time.
edit: no need to call you an idiot, that's mean.
I’ll be mean! That guy’s an idiot.
Because no one can point out where he's been charged with insurrection? If you only support rule of law when it's your side, you don't support rule of law.
This is Lemmy. It is pretty caustic and will be the downfall of it.
I on no way like Trump but you are entirely correct. He is still legally entitled to be on the ballet. Same as being impeached. He was acquitted by the rules of the constitution whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean he is innocent because he was not convicted.
That's the thing, I know he's crooked as fuck and always has been. I've thought that of him for decades. But my opinion doesn't matter if he's not convicted of these things. And Any critique of Biden is taken as support for that POS.
There are different levels to being a threat to democracy. I'm pretty sure what Democrats did doesn't really compare with the dictatorship Trump has in mind and what happened on Jan 6.
Liberals help enable the type of dictatorship we currently live in.
Biden isn't suing to keep anyone off a ballot. Trump being charged and held accountable for the crimes he committed is how the justice system is supposed to work.
how the justice system is supposed to work.
You don't actually believe that, if you did you would be saying he has a right to be in the ballot because he hasnt been convicted. Right there there is a claim he's responsible for insurrection, but no conviction. Which is how I believe SCOTUS will rule.
He doesn't need to be convicted to be removed from the ballot. He certainly should if he is convicted, but that isn't a requirement under the 14th amendment.
Claiming to support democracy while denying due process? How BlueMAGA of you.
Article 3 of the 14th Amendment has been invoked at least 8 times in the past few centuries. Please review them and explain to me you think how Trump deserves better treatment than the previous 8 people.
Trump doesn't believe in due process. He's literally said as much.
His people don't believe in due process.
If he is allowed to get back into the white house, he will absolutely ignore every single thing preventing him from going full dictator. Due process won't matter to him, the rule of law won't matter to him, the goddamn constitution won't matter to him.
But at least you'll be able to feel smug knowing that you almost got "bluemaga" to be a thing.
almost got BlueMAGA to be a thing
It has been a thing, you not being aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Your entire comment is meaningless hyperbole.
The latter half may be hyperbolic ... but the former, about article 3 is fact. Cry about it all you want, it's express purpose is to stop assholes like Trump.
Section one is the preamble to all other sections of the amendment. It gives the baseline that all other sections must follow.
Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment gives Congress the power to disqualify someone who has already held a public office from holding "any office" if they participate in an "insurrection or rebellion" against the United States.
Not having even the basic understanding of the law? How moronic of you.
Basic understanding of law means a basic understanding of due process and how everyone is entitled to it. Not just the people you agree with. Denying due process to those you oppose makes you the same type of dictator liberals claim to hate.
Yes but you don't seem to understand that due process in this case doesn't mean he needs a criminal trial and conviction for him to be removed.
Read the 14th amendment then tell me where it mentions "convicted of insurrection" - it does not. It only mentions participation, or even supporting someone who participated.
Trump is receiving the due process as we speak right now.
If there was a waiver of due process it would be stated.
But section 14.1 of the 14th amendment reads
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This precedes section 14.3 which addresses Disqualification from Holding Office. 14.1 due process precedes all other sections of the amendment to establish a requirement for due process in all other sections.
You have my upvote for actually going through the Amendment. Respect.
However, you're still ignoring the point that due process is occurring (at least in Colorado, Maine was definitely dodgy). Trump does not need to be criminally convicted of insurrection, it just needs to be decided in court that he meets the bar of being disqualified from office. The Colorado Supreme Court decided Trump should be removes from the ballot, now the US Supreme Court will decide - that is due process.
Being disqualified under 14.3 has a slightly different set of standards to meet than a criminal conviction for insurrection. Arguably he should also face a criminal charge, and a conviction would make the disqualification a sure thing.
It's a bit like civil vs criminal. If you're convicted of a crime, then the civil trial is basically a slam dunk. However, OJ famously got off on the criminal murder charge, then lost the civil trial for killing his victims. Trump being convicted of the crime of insurrection is a separate type of proceedings to removing him from the ballot for being involved with insurrection.
The amendment specifically says it's the responsibility of Congress to determine eligibility of ballot access, and it only requires a simple majority. Therefore only Congress can proceed with due process, SCOTUS is likely to rule that states do not have standing, or the state courts do not have the authority to rule on this case.
Dont get me wrong, Im not defending the POS or his actions. Ive seen him as a shady, POS, conman since the 80s. But many dems are gonna be in for quite a shock when it doesnt play out like theyve been told it will. And all the ones calling to bypass due process because its someone they oppose is insane.
Where is the part that says only Congress can decide to remove by a simple majority? My understanding is that Congress can decide to put someone back on the ballot by a 2/3 majority, but it would be the courts that decide to remove them in lawsuits filed by citizens.
They're not wrong. The Dems aren't the good guys here. As usual they're just slightly less bad. Someone that loves democracy lets a primary election happen rather annointing their chosen meat puppet....sorry, candidate.
Why do commies agree with MAGAs so often? “Ukraine Nazis! American government evil!” Fuck outta this country. We gotta crowdfund one way plane tickets to North Korea for your lot
BlueMAGA has more in common with MAGA than socialists and communists have with either of you. If it were trump doing the exact same things Biden has done liberals would be all up in arms about it. The same way they've been quiet while Biden enacts the exact same immigration policies as trump, still locking kids in cages. Has kept DeJoy and Trump's appointment. Same mental impairments that liberals write off as a stutter, despite NO videos from earlier years showing any impairment.
Biden called Trump a loser multiple times. Pointed out every single fucked up thing he's said and done. Biden went hard against Trump. This is the most I've seen him on the offensive. Keep this shit up!
He's got literally nothing else to motivate voters...
I'm relatively confident he can pull off a narrow win against trump. But if trumps off the ballots, and it's a "normal" Republican or even desantis, we might be fucked.
Biden wants trump to run for the same reason Hillary did, I just hope he's not dumb enough to actually help trump make it to the general like Hillary did
This isn't true anymore, though it was over the summer. DeSantis is polling neck-in-neck with Nikki Haley, down in the 15-16% range. That gets even smaller outside the GOP.
Make it to the general? Trump wins the primary hands down. He's like 70% in the polls.
Even Republicans don't like DeSantis. The more campaigning he has done nationally, the lower his numbers have gotten. He would get absolutely whooped. Trump is far more dangerous.
Republicans didn't like trump either and then gladly puckered up to kiss his taint when they realized he could get a crowd going.
You put your finger on the exact reason why DeSantis's campaign is in hospice.
But did he slam Trump? I can't get riled up about a story without a good slam.
Slam? I'm holding out for an evisceration.
FATALITY
Knowing how chummy these war criminals get with each other after office, it’ll probably be a friendality.
He definitely goes off.
I’d rather hear what he’s going to do and how he’s going to do it than be told shit we already know.
Look to the Democratic Party platform if you want to know what he'll aspire to. What he can actually do will be constrained by the Congress we elect and by the courts
Hasn’t been restrained by Congress when he bypasses it to fund a genocide but for anything else suddenly he has zero power
The President has a bunch of explicit power around military decisions.
That's not the same as being able to just go do anything.
Yeah because Republicans wanted that. Do you not understand civics? They don’t want anything else that actually helps America
That's the entire platform, 'we are not trump, although most of our policies mirror Trump, we are not him.'. And are shocked that's not enough for voters.
He's correct about Trump, but why do I doubt that this will make a lick of difference to the people who were going to vote Trump? Unfortunately him saying that will probably only confirm to the Trumpists that Trump is the scrappy underdog hero they already think he is.
The goal is not to convince Trump's core supporters, but to get low-information voters to understand what the choice they're making actually is.
The people that sue to keep people off ballots, RCV off ballots, rig their own primaries, and cancel primaries to install their chosen candidate have no business talking about threats to democracy
People that sue to keep insurrectionists off the ballot are fine by me.
That's not what being discussed here
Uh? How so?
The DNC has sued to keep Green party off state ballots, they argued in court they are a private corporation that can use primaries to install their preferred candidate, and theyve sued to keep RCV off ballots for future elections, and sued to keep RCV off ballots where its already passed for use.
Trump, who you are referring to, even though he is a piece of shit, has only keep accused of insurrection, not charged with it. Whether you like it or not, until he's charged, he should be free to stay on the ballots. Which is what I expect SCOTUS to rule.
The DNCs corrupt shittiness aside.
Have you been completely living under a rock the last 6 months? He's been charged.
https://politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/07/politics/trump-indictments-criminal-cases/
https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-cases-counts-charges-strengths.html
Point out where he's been charged with insurrection
Go waste someone else's time.
edit: no need to call you an idiot, that's mean.
I’ll be mean! That guy’s an idiot.
Because no one can point out where he's been charged with insurrection? If you only support rule of law when it's your side, you don't support rule of law.
This is Lemmy. It is pretty caustic and will be the downfall of it.
I on no way like Trump but you are entirely correct. He is still legally entitled to be on the ballet. Same as being impeached. He was acquitted by the rules of the constitution whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean he is innocent because he was not convicted.
That's the thing, I know he's crooked as fuck and always has been. I've thought that of him for decades. But my opinion doesn't matter if he's not convicted of these things. And Any critique of Biden is taken as support for that POS.
This thread was about insurrection, not his other crimes. you listed valid links for his crimes, none of which addresses the topic in this thread.
The 14th amendment says nothing about being charged or found guilty of insurrection.
There are different levels to being a threat to democracy. I'm pretty sure what Democrats did doesn't really compare with the dictatorship Trump has in mind and what happened on Jan 6.
Liberals help enable the type of dictatorship we currently live in.
Biden isn't suing to keep anyone off a ballot. Trump being charged and held accountable for the crimes he committed is how the justice system is supposed to work.
You don't actually believe that, if you did you would be saying he has a right to be in the ballot because he hasnt been convicted. Right there there is a claim he's responsible for insurrection, but no conviction. Which is how I believe SCOTUS will rule.
He doesn't need to be convicted to be removed from the ballot. He certainly should if he is convicted, but that isn't a requirement under the 14th amendment.
Claiming to support democracy while denying due process? How BlueMAGA of you.
Article 3 of the 14th Amendment has been invoked at least 8 times in the past few centuries. Please review them and explain to me you think how Trump deserves better treatment than the previous 8 people.
Trump doesn't believe in due process. He's literally said as much.
His people don't believe in due process.
If he is allowed to get back into the white house, he will absolutely ignore every single thing preventing him from going full dictator. Due process won't matter to him, the rule of law won't matter to him, the goddamn constitution won't matter to him.
But at least you'll be able to feel smug knowing that you almost got "bluemaga" to be a thing.
It has been a thing, you not being aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Your entire comment is meaningless hyperbole.
The latter half may be hyperbolic ... but the former, about article 3 is fact. Cry about it all you want, it's express purpose is to stop assholes like Trump.
Section one is the preamble to all other sections of the amendment. It gives the baseline that all other sections must follow.
Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment gives Congress the power to disqualify someone who has already held a public office from holding "any office" if they participate in an "insurrection or rebellion" against the United States.
https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14/annotation15.html
... go on...?
Not having even the basic understanding of the law? How moronic of you.
Basic understanding of law means a basic understanding of due process and how everyone is entitled to it. Not just the people you agree with. Denying due process to those you oppose makes you the same type of dictator liberals claim to hate.
Yes but you don't seem to understand that due process in this case doesn't mean he needs a criminal trial and conviction for him to be removed.
Read the 14th amendment then tell me where it mentions "convicted of insurrection" - it does not. It only mentions participation, or even supporting someone who participated.
Trump is receiving the due process as we speak right now.
If there was a waiver of due process it would be stated.
But section 14.1 of the 14th amendment reads
This precedes section 14.3 which addresses Disqualification from Holding Office. 14.1 due process precedes all other sections of the amendment to establish a requirement for due process in all other sections.
You have my upvote for actually going through the Amendment. Respect.
However, you're still ignoring the point that due process is occurring (at least in Colorado, Maine was definitely dodgy). Trump does not need to be criminally convicted of insurrection, it just needs to be decided in court that he meets the bar of being disqualified from office. The Colorado Supreme Court decided Trump should be removes from the ballot, now the US Supreme Court will decide - that is due process.
Being disqualified under 14.3 has a slightly different set of standards to meet than a criminal conviction for insurrection. Arguably he should also face a criminal charge, and a conviction would make the disqualification a sure thing.
It's a bit like civil vs criminal. If you're convicted of a crime, then the civil trial is basically a slam dunk. However, OJ famously got off on the criminal murder charge, then lost the civil trial for killing his victims. Trump being convicted of the crime of insurrection is a separate type of proceedings to removing him from the ballot for being involved with insurrection.
The amendment specifically says it's the responsibility of Congress to determine eligibility of ballot access, and it only requires a simple majority. Therefore only Congress can proceed with due process, SCOTUS is likely to rule that states do not have standing, or the state courts do not have the authority to rule on this case.
Dont get me wrong, Im not defending the POS or his actions. Ive seen him as a shady, POS, conman since the 80s. But many dems are gonna be in for quite a shock when it doesnt play out like theyve been told it will. And all the ones calling to bypass due process because its someone they oppose is insane.
Where is the part that says only Congress can decide to remove by a simple majority? My understanding is that Congress can decide to put someone back on the ballot by a 2/3 majority, but it would be the courts that decide to remove them in lawsuits filed by citizens.
They're not wrong. The Dems aren't the good guys here. As usual they're just slightly less bad. Someone that loves democracy lets a primary election happen rather annointing their chosen meat puppet....sorry, candidate.
Why do commies agree with MAGAs so often? “Ukraine Nazis! American government evil!” Fuck outta this country. We gotta crowdfund one way plane tickets to North Korea for your lot
BlueMAGA has more in common with MAGA than socialists and communists have with either of you. If it were trump doing the exact same things Biden has done liberals would be all up in arms about it. The same way they've been quiet while Biden enacts the exact same immigration policies as trump, still locking kids in cages. Has kept DeJoy and Trump's appointment. Same mental impairments that liberals write off as a stutter, despite NO videos from earlier years showing any impairment.
hey can we be friends