Trump won’t commit to discouraging violence among his supporters

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Trump won’t commit to discouraging violence among his supporters
independent.co.uk
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This motherfucker won't commit to anything, even his wife.

Cue "Always has been" meme.

He buried one of his ex-wife on his golf course so he could keep cheating on her.

I really try not to judge on these topics. If I can somehow justify they’re not relevant to the job.

If you’re a religious person with a suppose, moral compass, when Trump cheated on his pregnant wife, with essentially a prostitute, doesn’t that raise all kinds of red flags? I don’t know. Honestly I’m just asking. I don’t go to church and I’m essentially agnostic but my moral compass makes me run the other direction when I see something like that. 

Yes, but not because he's particularly nefarious or calculating, he's just a dumb greedy racist bastard like he's always been

Remember when they had to do several takes on January 6th because he kept encouraging them to fight on instead of going home?

Wait, what? Lol

Part of the reason his messages to his traitorous supporters on the 6th was sent out late in the day, was because he did a large number of takes because he kept trying to incite violence again.

The date is still January 6. You have about a year to stockpile guns and ammo.

Makes sense. The violence seems to help him.

I have never been able to wrap my head around voting for somebody that supposedly supports policies you agree with while being clearly a bad person/leader to the core.

Their "morality" comes from the bible. Trump is their King David. They love a bad guy who does bad for them. Other crimes are ignored so long as the person produces results. Fits perfectly with religion, which is the biggest influence on conservative thinking... except maybe racism and fear.

That's cool, given that he's arguing that Presidents should be immune from assassinating political rivals, I don't think Biden should commit to discouraging violence against Trump or his family either.

Reads like a reporter yelled out the question as Trump was leaving:

“Will you tell your supporters now, no matter what, no violence?” a reporter asked Mr Trump as he left the briefing [emphasis mine]."

So I can walk up and yell a question at a political figure, get no answer, and the non-answer is newsworthy?

FFS, there is plenty of facts damning Trump in the article, but this ain't it. Or did anyone read it? Watch all the linked videos. NONE of them show this event. NONE.

Reddit 2.0: Upvote the posts you already believe in and downvote opinions.

It would be child's play to support Trump on Fox News.

"Social media site claims bullshit. We dug and dug, couldn't find evidence."

"Hey OP! Will you (within 3 seconds) deny that you fucked a 12-yo and enjoy Osama Bin Laden albums?!"

"OP is pedophile and endorses terrorism!"

My liberal brethren, wake the fuck up. They're not playing the same game as you and not preaching to the same audience. BS like this only dilutes your points, makes you sound weak.

The media is milking the Trump hysteria for all its worth. The headline is usually "omg Trump said this bad bad thing" but if you see what he says it's usually nothing. Don't get me wrong, he does say some dumb shit but it's insane how they jump on every word he says. Recently I saw the headline of him commenting about a shooting and saying it's a tragedy and we should move on, which is awkward but could easily have been said by anyone. The move on part is usually said in tragedies as well. But it's depicted as if he said "omg just move on already" I am actually a leftist and I don't like Trump but this is absolutely insane.

Trump does that conman thing where he never stops talking. It looks ridiculous when written down, but for some reason to some people it sounds reasonable as he's saying it, perhaps because he says it with such confidence. It's not hard to find especially dumb nuggets in that firehose of shit when you sit down and actually read it.

I don't think it's the content of what he is saying that his supporters are drawn to. Trump has succeeded in positing himself as a victim of the "woke left" and the "establishment". His entire project relies on this vehement opposition. He actually needs the political correctness because his opposition to it is what sustains him. There are theoretical studies of this, like for example Todd McGowan theory of left and right enjoyment. The enjoyment of the right is this enjoyment of transgression, the utterly childish thing of "I am gonna say exactly what you tell me not to say". The more dumb shit he says the more it goes up. This is what some leftists do not get. You'll never defeat Trump by showing that he said something bad and "transgressive ". This is exactly his appeal. The right succeeds in making a weird move. They cast the leftist as the "parent figure" that's out there trying to steal your enjoyment. "You can't say anything anymore these days". Ironically the right is the moralizing position, but they succeeded in casting the left as this moralizing figure and we play right into their hands. The early leftist transgressive "hippy" figure has been replaced, in popular imagination, by the uptight professor telling you what you can and can't say, and you saying it anyway and bonding with the class through that very prohibition.

So when trump said he would only be a dictator for just one day that was the media blowing it out of proportion?

I never claimed Trump never said stupid shit, but there are many instances where it's so clickbaity which actually really helps Trump and his supporters. The appeal of Trump is that he posits himself as persecuted by the "woke mob" and "radical left". He also depicted as someone "saying it as it is" and saying what the "establishment" doesn't want you to say. There's some theoretical work that studies how this happens, and I think many leftists rarely pose the hard question of why he is having a mass appeal. It's not sufficient to just say "people bad and racist" and move on. The modern right succeeded in tricking everyone into seeing the left as this policing and hegemonic force out there trying to force you to say the right thing. It's so ironic given that the right is the actual hegemonic and moralize force. The trick that they pulled is spectacular tbh and usually the left plays right into their hsnds. The fact that Trump says bad shit is not gonna harm him. That's his entire appeal. It's funny that leftist media thinks the more they show he said bad shit the more unlikely he'll be supported. It's the exact opposite. It's the classic childish tragressive thing of "I am gonna say exactly what they want me not to say". We are in the age of the "rebel punk" right, which is so fuckin ironic. Of course it's not rebel or punk but they are formally in that positionz while the leftist is cast as the polished professor telling you what to say and what not to say. You can easily see the appeal of the right if you look at it this way, and see how this "trump said a bad thing" is exactly why he is popular.

Reads like a reporter yelled out the question as Trump was leaving:

“Will you tell your supporters now, no matter what, no violence?” a reporter asked Mr Trump as he left the briefing [emphasis mine]."

So I can walk up and yell a question at a political figure, get no answer, and the non-answer is newsworthy?

FFS, there is plenty of facts damning Trump in the article, but this ain't it. Or did anyone read it? Watch all the linked videos. NONE of them show this event. NONE.

Reddit 2.0: Upvote the posts you already believe in and downvote opinions.

It would be child's play to support Trump on Fox News.

"Social media site claims bullshit. We dug and dug, couldn't find evidence."

"Hey OP! Will you (within 3 seconds) deny that you fucked a 12-yo and enjoy Osama Bin Laden albums?!"

"OP is pedophile and endorses terrorism!"

My liberal brethren, wake the fuck up. They're not playing the same game as you and not preaching to the same audience. BS like this only dilutes your points, makes you sound weak.

Here's the video, it's in the article. Yes, there were reporters calling questions as he walked away, but they all stopped talking except this one, who spoke loudly and at a reasonable cadence, and Trump's pace and body language suggest that he heard every word, and still chose not to answer. Is it as big a deal as the title makes it out to be? Not at all. Is it absolutely nothing at all, nothing to see here? I don't think it's that, either.

I mean... he had already walked away from the mic by the time the question started and by the time the question was finished he was out of sight as the reporter reached the word "violence".

This is just a click bait article capitalizing on Trump for clicks.

Big "When did you stop hitting your wife" energy

We all know the guy's an asshole. You don't have to make things up.

Lol this is what you're mad about.