Is "goes nuclear" the new "slams"? I hate these clickbait headlines so much it's unreal
GTAV actor GOES NUCLEAR and drops a TSAR BOMBA on AI using FACTS and LOGIC
Sensational language isn't clickbait. Saying "you won't believe what happens next!" is clickbait.
Implicitly the title implying "click to see how nuclear he goes"
Yup. Click bait to me means anything a title that over-exaggerates the content of the article to get people to click on it.
That's exactly what sensational language is... Language meant to excite and entice the reader without respect to the accuracy of what's being reported. It only became clickbait when we started clicking on things to read them instead of picking up a newspaper.
When you see ai-related stories just remember: we're currently living through what, in another 10 or 20 years, will be remembered as the takeoff of AI. Wherever it goes, either heavily regulated or widespread, AI is only going to get exponentially better and it won't just be artists crowing about losing their jobs to it.
More reason to focus on changing to a society that doesn’t work for the sake of working instead of fighting AI.
Except, those are in charge of the AI, just want mass unenployment, to lose our bargaining power, and to work 3 jobs just to eat.
Even the supposed "adapting to AI" for artists is just "buy our stocks and trade them".
Damn, sounds like instead of bitching about AI we should be chopping some heads.
Yeah just a small bit of killing will do the trick!
The convenient thing about a handful of people controlling all the wealth is it means there are only a handful of people who need to be liberated of their wealth!
Not necessarily. Generative AI hasn't been advancing as much as people claim, and we are getting into the "diminishing returns" phase of AI advancement. If not, we need to switch gears in our anti-AI activism
Yep. IMO it'll be kinda like VR. AI will sort of plateau for awhile until they find a new approach and then the hype will kick up again. But the current approach won't scale into true AI. It's just fundamentally flawed.
hmm idk... the only real reason vr has playeued so hard is because of the high barrier to entry. the tech is fine, but there's not that many good games because it's expensive and not many own it.
I'd argue that ai will continue to see raid growth for a little while. the core technology behind LLMs may be plateauing, but the tech is just now getting out in the world. people will continue to find new and creative ways to extend its usefulness and optimize what it's currently capable of.
basically, back to the vr example. people are gonna start making "games" for it. did one's free, and everyone is hungry for it. I'm putting my money on human creativity for now...
This, VR and AI are completely different beasts
I wasn't claiming the tech was similar. But VR has had several surges in hype over the years. It'll come to the forefront for awhile, then fade to the background again, until something else happens to bring it back to people's attention again.
I think AI hype will die down until someone comes up with some new way to hype it, probably through a novel approach that isn't LLM.
I mean no offense here, but I think your take reflects how few relatively ground-shattering innovations have really happened over the last twenty years or so. I mean truly life-changing. Maybe the internet was last, I'm unsure.
I'm probably too young to have an accurate idea of how often an innovation is supposed to change the world, but it really feels like we've become used to seeing new tech that only changes life incrementally at best. How many people, if such an innovation was created, would fail to recognize it or reject it altogether? Entire generations to this day refuse to learn computer literacy, which actively detriments them on a daily or weekly basis.
Won't update their insurance because they don't want to use a computer. Don't know how to reboot a router/modem. Don't know how to change their password. Congressmen asking if Facebook/TikTok requires Internet access. Some small companies operating exclusively on fax and printed paper, copying said paper, sorting said paper, and then re-faxing it instead of automating or even just using one PC (I worked at a place like this).
Definitely agree. Innovation has slowed down. Time will tell if the 1900s was just a complete fluke or not, but personally I think at least part of the slow down is due to the slow collapse of capitalism and democracy. Feels like we're just trudging along purely on inertia since the end of WW2. Like we're an old beat up car that's been patched and duct taped together so much. The whole system feels like it's just ground to a halt and all 'new' progress is just marketing from grifters who've captured the system.
I would argue smart phones were the last game changer (iPhone was 2007 I think). If you're privileged (like in the grand scale of the world), a smartphone is a quality of life upgrade. But all over the planet, the access to wifi combined with a super cheap smartphone allows people to start businesses they otherwise would have been able to, open and manage bank accounts etc. when it would have never been possible.
I kind of see the logic of dismissing AI as a trend, only because pointing to each tech dad and claiming it will change the world gets old, and saying "I called it" 10 years later when it does change the world doesn't really do anything.
But at the same time, chat gpt3 is only a little over year old, which I would mark as the beginning of public enthusiasm and attention for AI. Really great voice recreation AI is even newer, and both are already shredding through entertainment, calling out a "plateau" when it's only "plateaued" for a few months is a little hasty.
Edit: I know the person I replied to wasn't on the other side of this, I was just continuing the convo.
I find myself caught between two forces on this issue. My dad is one of those tech dads, who watches David Shapiro and builds his own GPTs in his free time. He is convinced that AI has (or will imminently have) the ability to replace us as workers entirely. Economically, we are not ready for that. People who don't work just don't get to have anything. Food and housing aren't even universal human rights.
The urge for me to stick my head in the sand, despite my father pushing me to learn to use AI, is very real. I don't have faith that we as a society will be able to make a good future with AI. So my only option feels like learning to build, manipulate, and wield the tool that I believe could cause enormous societal upheaval, because the alternative is to be upheaved like a modern boomer dropped in the middle of Cyberpunk's Night City.
Yeah the dark future is that AI takes up all of the office type jobs that just require reading and writing text and the only jobs left are physical labor that everyone is forced into to survive whether we need to do it or not.
My hope is that when we have AI to do these "intellectual" jobs and machines to do the manual labor there will necessarily be not enough work for everyone and society will be forced to reckon with the fact that we have so much abundance that humans don't need to work if they don't want to. Something that's been true for a while but has been swept under the rug for a number of reasons.
It's all about the models and training, though. People thinking ChatGPT 3.5/4 can write their legal papers get tripped up because it confabulates ('hallucinates') when it isn't thoroughly trained on a subject. If you fed every legal case for the past 150 years into a model, it would be very effective.
It will start to get wild when it’s attorneys, paralegals, accountants, actuaries, software developers, designers, journalists, engineers, medical technicians… what’s left after that? Physical labor, skilled mechanical labor, politics and religion?
automating politics shouldn't be that hard. also Religion controlled by ai has huge potential. so physical labor it is for us meatbags
Machine vision and robotics are advancing quickly too.
People would go for it online, but in person, you still need a convincing public speaker. AI could write all their speeches though (and I'm people are on that!)
Again, using audio AI to copy a real voice is kinda dumb. Like using image AI to draw real actors, playing characters... instead of just drawing the fucking character.
This tech would let one actor do all the characters. Like how audiobooks work - except you'd get the actor's performance in the character's voice. Stephen Fry doing Snape (behave) may sound like Alan Rickman, but only if Alan Rickman is how Snape's supposed to sound.
The only reason for him to sound exactly like that is if that's what people already think he sounds like. New characters, or newly-adapted characters, can sound however you want. This technology will let anybody play them.
So hire someone good.
I could really use that for dungeon mastering; NPC voices (esp. accents) are the hardest part for me.
You don't have to be the world's most accomplished voice actor with 500 unique voices in your repertoire to be a good DM. Even if you just have a default "NPC" voice that's different than your DM-ing voice, most players are fine with that. No need to bring in bullshit AI into the game. DnD players got along fine for decades without it.
Just because people did fine in the past doesn't mean we can't try new things to improve the experience for our players.
I'm saying that it would be nice to enhance my voices, not that I need 500 voices to be a good DM, or that we can't get by without it.
Real-time might be asking a lot.
So I guess, give it a year.
But robot no need production insurance or paycheck!
If capital can make art without spending money, so can artists.
You forget a thousand voice chatbots every day, how about you make sure this is one of them...
Fuck it. AI isn't going to go away. Companies are going to keep putting these voicebots of famous people out. The only response is to splinter the entertainment industry. Get SAG and the WGA on the horn. They fucked up the negotiations with the MPAA and didn't outright ban AI. Those unions need a new deal.
Yep, sure, let's just get WGA, who spent the last year and a half protesting and negotiating contracts, on the horn to do that exact thing over again. I'm sure they'll get right on that!
sorry, but isnt that the exact reason they exist at all
They exist to get a good deal for their members. Strikes aren’t easy on people or their families.
AI voices sound like shit
Definitely 100% not worried about being replaced đź‘Śđź‘Ť.
Is "goes nuclear" the new "slams"? I hate these clickbait headlines so much it's unreal
GTAV actor GOES NUCLEAR and drops a TSAR BOMBA on AI using FACTS and LOGIC
Sensational language isn't clickbait. Saying "you won't believe what happens next!" is clickbait.
Implicitly the title implying "click to see how nuclear he goes"
Yup. Click bait to me means anything a title that over-exaggerates the content of the article to get people to click on it.
That's exactly what sensational language is... Language meant to excite and entice the reader without respect to the accuracy of what's being reported. It only became clickbait when we started clicking on things to read them instead of picking up a newspaper.
When you see ai-related stories just remember: we're currently living through what, in another 10 or 20 years, will be remembered as the takeoff of AI. Wherever it goes, either heavily regulated or widespread, AI is only going to get exponentially better and it won't just be artists crowing about losing their jobs to it.
More reason to focus on changing to a society that doesn’t work for the sake of working instead of fighting AI.
Except, those are in charge of the AI, just want mass unenployment, to lose our bargaining power, and to work 3 jobs just to eat.
Even the supposed "adapting to AI" for artists is just "buy our stocks and trade them".
Damn, sounds like instead of bitching about AI we should be chopping some heads.
Yeah just a small bit of killing will do the trick!
The convenient thing about a handful of people controlling all the wealth is it means there are only a handful of people who need to be liberated of their wealth!
Not necessarily. Generative AI hasn't been advancing as much as people claim, and we are getting into the "diminishing returns" phase of AI advancement. If not, we need to switch gears in our anti-AI activism
Yep. IMO it'll be kinda like VR. AI will sort of plateau for awhile until they find a new approach and then the hype will kick up again. But the current approach won't scale into true AI. It's just fundamentally flawed.
hmm idk... the only real reason vr has playeued so hard is because of the high barrier to entry. the tech is fine, but there's not that many good games because it's expensive and not many own it.
I'd argue that ai will continue to see raid growth for a little while. the core technology behind LLMs may be plateauing, but the tech is just now getting out in the world. people will continue to find new and creative ways to extend its usefulness and optimize what it's currently capable of.
basically, back to the vr example. people are gonna start making "games" for it. did one's free, and everyone is hungry for it. I'm putting my money on human creativity for now...
This, VR and AI are completely different beasts
I wasn't claiming the tech was similar. But VR has had several surges in hype over the years. It'll come to the forefront for awhile, then fade to the background again, until something else happens to bring it back to people's attention again.
I think AI hype will die down until someone comes up with some new way to hype it, probably through a novel approach that isn't LLM.
I mean no offense here, but I think your take reflects how few relatively ground-shattering innovations have really happened over the last twenty years or so. I mean truly life-changing. Maybe the internet was last, I'm unsure.
I'm probably too young to have an accurate idea of how often an innovation is supposed to change the world, but it really feels like we've become used to seeing new tech that only changes life incrementally at best. How many people, if such an innovation was created, would fail to recognize it or reject it altogether? Entire generations to this day refuse to learn computer literacy, which actively detriments them on a daily or weekly basis.
Won't update their insurance because they don't want to use a computer. Don't know how to reboot a router/modem. Don't know how to change their password. Congressmen asking if Facebook/TikTok requires Internet access. Some small companies operating exclusively on fax and printed paper, copying said paper, sorting said paper, and then re-faxing it instead of automating or even just using one PC (I worked at a place like this).
Definitely agree. Innovation has slowed down. Time will tell if the 1900s was just a complete fluke or not, but personally I think at least part of the slow down is due to the slow collapse of capitalism and democracy. Feels like we're just trudging along purely on inertia since the end of WW2. Like we're an old beat up car that's been patched and duct taped together so much. The whole system feels like it's just ground to a halt and all 'new' progress is just marketing from grifters who've captured the system.
I would argue smart phones were the last game changer (iPhone was 2007 I think). If you're privileged (like in the grand scale of the world), a smartphone is a quality of life upgrade. But all over the planet, the access to wifi combined with a super cheap smartphone allows people to start businesses they otherwise would have been able to, open and manage bank accounts etc. when it would have never been possible.
I kind of see the logic of dismissing AI as a trend, only because pointing to each tech dad and claiming it will change the world gets old, and saying "I called it" 10 years later when it does change the world doesn't really do anything.
But at the same time, chat gpt3 is only a little over year old, which I would mark as the beginning of public enthusiasm and attention for AI. Really great voice recreation AI is even newer, and both are already shredding through entertainment, calling out a "plateau" when it's only "plateaued" for a few months is a little hasty.
Edit: I know the person I replied to wasn't on the other side of this, I was just continuing the convo.
I find myself caught between two forces on this issue. My dad is one of those tech dads, who watches David Shapiro and builds his own GPTs in his free time. He is convinced that AI has (or will imminently have) the ability to replace us as workers entirely. Economically, we are not ready for that. People who don't work just don't get to have anything. Food and housing aren't even universal human rights.
The urge for me to stick my head in the sand, despite my father pushing me to learn to use AI, is very real. I don't have faith that we as a society will be able to make a good future with AI. So my only option feels like learning to build, manipulate, and wield the tool that I believe could cause enormous societal upheaval, because the alternative is to be upheaved like a modern boomer dropped in the middle of Cyberpunk's Night City.
Yeah the dark future is that AI takes up all of the office type jobs that just require reading and writing text and the only jobs left are physical labor that everyone is forced into to survive whether we need to do it or not.
My hope is that when we have AI to do these "intellectual" jobs and machines to do the manual labor there will necessarily be not enough work for everyone and society will be forced to reckon with the fact that we have so much abundance that humans don't need to work if they don't want to. Something that's been true for a while but has been swept under the rug for a number of reasons.
It's all about the models and training, though. People thinking ChatGPT 3.5/4 can write their legal papers get tripped up because it confabulates ('hallucinates') when it isn't thoroughly trained on a subject. If you fed every legal case for the past 150 years into a model, it would be very effective.
It will start to get wild when it’s attorneys, paralegals, accountants, actuaries, software developers, designers, journalists, engineers, medical technicians… what’s left after that? Physical labor, skilled mechanical labor, politics and religion?
automating politics shouldn't be that hard. also Religion controlled by ai has huge potential. so physical labor it is for us meatbags
Machine vision and robotics are advancing quickly too.
People would go for it online, but in person, you still need a convincing public speaker. AI could write all their speeches though (and I'm people are on that!)
Like a true Michael
Trevor would just do a terrorism about it
This reminds me I'm kinda surprised EA hasn't released a Jennifer Hale voicebot by now, marketing it as "your own personal Cmdr Shepard assistant".
I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favourite comment on Lemmy
Again, using audio AI to copy a real voice is kinda dumb. Like using image AI to draw real actors, playing characters... instead of just drawing the fucking character.
This tech would let one actor do all the characters. Like how audiobooks work - except you'd get the actor's performance in the character's voice. Stephen Fry doing Snape (behave) may sound like Alan Rickman, but only if Alan Rickman is how Snape's supposed to sound.
The only reason for him to sound exactly like that is if that's what people already think he sounds like. New characters, or newly-adapted characters, can sound however you want. This technology will let anybody play them.
So hire someone good.
I could really use that for dungeon mastering; NPC voices (esp. accents) are the hardest part for me.
You don't have to be the world's most accomplished voice actor with 500 unique voices in your repertoire to be a good DM. Even if you just have a default "NPC" voice that's different than your DM-ing voice, most players are fine with that. No need to bring in bullshit AI into the game. DnD players got along fine for decades without it.
Just because people did fine in the past doesn't mean we can't try new things to improve the experience for our players.
I'm saying that it would be nice to enhance my voices, not that I need 500 voices to be a good DM, or that we can't get by without it.
Real-time might be asking a lot.
So I guess, give it a year.
But robot no need production insurance or paycheck!
If capital can make art without spending money, so can artists.
So they won't need capital.
Link to actual thread so that you can skip the cringe article: https://twitter.com/ned_luke/status/1746559971695763562?t=kx98OyqQ1lYKM9xSMzVWrA&s=19
You forget a thousand voice chatbots every day, how about you make sure this is one of them...
Fuck it. AI isn't going to go away. Companies are going to keep putting these voicebots of famous people out. The only response is to splinter the entertainment industry. Get SAG and the WGA on the horn. They fucked up the negotiations with the MPAA and didn't outright ban AI. Those unions need a new deal.
Yep, sure, let's just get WGA, who spent the last year and a half protesting and negotiating contracts, on the horn to do that exact thing over again. I'm sure they'll get right on that!
sorry, but isnt that the exact reason they exist at all
They exist to get a good deal for their members. Strikes aren’t easy on people or their families.
AI voices sound like shit
Definitely 100% not worried about being replaced đź‘Śđź‘Ť.