It still allows using other substances in the production process if they are filtered out afterwards.
Which vegans would still reject.
A German guy once told me that the original penalty for violating that law was that the brewer was to be drowned in his own beer - to be fair, he was quite drunk at the time, so it might be complete bullshit.
He's confusing it with the law of Hammurabi, in which a brewer that is caught diluting his beer is sentenced thusly.
German reinheitsgebot was not as severe, nor German (it was a Bavarian law, before Germany was a thing)
That only applies to beer breweries in Bavaria. Not all of Germany is subject to that law.
Not true, you are not allowed to call it beer then
Only in Bavaria. I brewed beer for many years and am very familiar with the law which hit 500 years old in 2016.
Traditional Worchestershire sauce also contains fish.
All Worcestershire sauce. It's fermented anchovy sauce with some spices.
Anything that doesn't have the anchovy, isn't Worcestershire sauce.
You can have anchovy free Worcestershire sauces. It's actually a generic term for a class of fermented sauces, many have anchovies, but it is not a requirement
and the vegan version tastes exactly the same
It's not bad, it's not too far off and can be subsituted in most situations, but it's certainly not exactly the same.
Plenty of vegan Worcestershire sauces available, just like there's vegan cheese and butter and milk and sausages and burgers and nuggets..
You being a pedant/snob/militant carnivore/whatever isn't going to stop people making vegan versions of things and calling them the thing. Because there's no reason not to other than the hurt fee fees of people like you.
There are vegan sauces that are quite nice, sure, they're just not Worcestershire sauce.
Hell, I'll go further and say that if it's not made by Lea and Perrins, it's not Worcestershire sauce.
Why are vegans obsessed with making cheap knockoff versions of nonvegan food? Cant they make their own foods?
most food is "vegan food". have you ever had a potato?
I have which is why I don’t understand eg vegan burgers
why are carnists obsessed with stuffing intestinal linings with churned up flesh to make their food shaped like zucchini?
It would be weird if we called it carnivore zucchini. We don’t.
You’re welcome to call veggie burgers their own thing. They don’t need to be veggie burgers. Or vegan bacon. You can just call it “processed vegetable paste planks” or whatever gets your rocks off, honey. You don’t get to criticize us for our choice of food and also work as hard as you can to mimic that food, no matter how self-righteous you feel.
how do you know someone eats animal flesh and excretions? don't worry, they'll tell you.
Just gonna insult me then?
Kk sweeite. Great look. Such class.
Is it because you don’t know the answer to my question or because saying the answer out loud makes you feel ashamed?
ha! love it. I'm just messing with you, it's clear you haven't really thought any of this through; culture changes and I get that it can feel scary that you're being left behind.
Cause that way you can eat mac and cheese with hot dogs drowned in mayo without killing animals.
Most vegans don't do it for the health benefits, that's just an excuse to tell others.
No they aren't, unless specified. A lot is isinglass (spelling?) To clarify it, which is fish parts.
Isinglass is not used very much outside breweries trying to do really traditional British styles, because it's finicky and there are better and cheaper options. I'd say that the most common thing making beer non-vegan is adding adjuncts like lactose in milk stouts.
Some beer has honey and milk ingredients
Most non-dairy drinks can be vegan. Why do beer and wine in particular surprise you?
I told a friend of mine I was making Mead and she told me that is not interested because Mead is not vegan. I really forgot that she was vegan and then I started thinking "People usually make fun of vegan food, but beer and wine can be considered vegan (with the exception people has already pointed out) and those are fun drink"
Vegan food being a joke is also a misconception. Vegan stuff can be pretty fucking delicious, but it's more dependent on you flavoring it correctly.
If you fuck up non-vegan food, there is a good chance is it is still alright. If you fuck up vegan food, there is a good chance it's not great.
But properly prepared it can be so awesome.
As people have mentioned the seafood, ill also add that many wines use egg.
Vegan things:
Bread, potatos, noodles, water, air all vegetables, all fruits, 70+% of the average diet.
Vegan is not hard
I'm sorry but absolutely not.
Finding vegan foods is easy, as you've pointed out, however eating well as a vegan takes thought and planning. Especially in the beginning.
This is why so many people fail when they first start. They just cut out everything with animal products, and end up eating bread and salad, and give up when they're basically malnourished and starving.
Saying Vegan is not hard is a disservice to anyone seriously considering it. Instead of being condescending about it, give people resources to help them get it right.
Its a miracle how people can eat absolute garbage but the amount of supplements that is already in the animal products (and all that 1% uptaken plant material) kinda fix that
Not all bread and noodles are vegan, or even vegetarian.
True. Most of them though.
Dry pasta is. Any other noodle will not be. Eggs are used in a lot of places.
There's also dry pasta with eggs.
Usually sold as egg noodles, yes.
Most Italian died pasta is going to be made with just flour and water, but again, there are exceptions.
Exceptions that contain egg?
That's the most common, but there are weird pasta types out there made with beans or cauliflower or such...
The majority of those are vegan by design, but I've seen a few that were just gluten-free, and still used egg as a binder.
Ah okay so it’s probably best to just say not all noodles and bread are vegan.
Not vegetarian? How?
In the southern United States, we have biscuits made with bacon grease and sausage rolls, which are just rolls with ground sausage baked into them.
YEAST ARE ANIMALS!
I thought they were fungi?
But I put it in all caps
AND THEY ARE BEING EXPLOITED!!
IN A TASTY WAY
ABSOLUTELY!!
Oreo cookies are technically vegan.
Wellllllll, maybe. Whitened sugar is processed with bone char, and given how white the stuf is, there’s a good chance that it’s also processed that way.
Without any animal or dairy products, these chocolate sandwich cookies are now basically vegan. (We say basically because there can be some cross-contamination with milk during production).
Wine is not vegan. Wine uses sulphites which are made from crustaceans.
It's isinglass rather that sulphites that makes a lot of beer and wine non-vegan. It's a type of collagen made from certain fish (not usually crustaceans, so far as I know) that makes the yeast suspended in the liquid sink and coalesce into a sediment that can be removed. If you try homebrewing you'll find that your own produce is hazy unless you use isinglass, although it doesn't significantly change the taste
not all wine
All wines matter!
It’s not the sulphites, but the chitosan that acts as a clarifier that comes from shrimp shells and makes it not vegan.
Milk and fishes are also sometimes used to filter the wine.
Imagine not caring about the lives of yeast. Humans can be so heartless.
I prefer the nomenclature ‘uncultured’ thanks.
You seem like a fungi
Big culture in this comment chain
I can't see mushroom for improvement
Wine may be filtered using animal tissue, but many wines are vegan
Guinness as well
well, ackshually - The fishy ingredient in beer that bothers vegetarians - BBC
Well, ackshually akshually - drink German beer. With very few exceptions, it's only allowed to contain barley, hops, yeast and water. That law has existed in some form for over 500 years.
It still allows using other substances in the production process if they are filtered out afterwards.
Which vegans would still reject.
A German guy once told me that the original penalty for violating that law was that the brewer was to be drowned in his own beer - to be fair, he was quite drunk at the time, so it might be complete bullshit.
He's confusing it with the law of Hammurabi, in which a brewer that is caught diluting his beer is sentenced thusly.
German reinheitsgebot was not as severe, nor German (it was a Bavarian law, before Germany was a thing)
That only applies to beer breweries in Bavaria. Not all of Germany is subject to that law.
Not true, you are not allowed to call it beer then
Only in Bavaria. I brewed beer for many years and am very familiar with the law which hit 500 years old in 2016.
Traditional Worchestershire sauce also contains fish.
All Worcestershire sauce. It's fermented anchovy sauce with some spices.
Anything that doesn't have the anchovy, isn't Worcestershire sauce.
You can have anchovy free Worcestershire sauces. It's actually a generic term for a class of fermented sauces, many have anchovies, but it is not a requirement
and the vegan version tastes exactly the same
It's not bad, it's not too far off and can be subsituted in most situations, but it's certainly not exactly the same.
Plenty of vegan Worcestershire sauces available, just like there's vegan cheese and butter and milk and sausages and burgers and nuggets..
You being a pedant/snob/militant carnivore/whatever isn't going to stop people making vegan versions of things and calling them the thing. Because there's no reason not to other than the hurt fee fees of people like you.
There are vegan sauces that are quite nice, sure, they're just not Worcestershire sauce.
Hell, I'll go further and say that if it's not made by Lea and Perrins, it's not Worcestershire sauce.
Why are vegans obsessed with making cheap knockoff versions of nonvegan food? Cant they make their own foods?
most food is "vegan food". have you ever had a potato?
I have which is why I don’t understand eg vegan burgers
why are carnists obsessed with stuffing intestinal linings with churned up flesh to make their food shaped like zucchini?
It would be weird if we called it carnivore zucchini. We don’t.
You’re welcome to call veggie burgers their own thing. They don’t need to be veggie burgers. Or vegan bacon. You can just call it “processed vegetable paste planks” or whatever gets your rocks off, honey. You don’t get to criticize us for our choice of food and also work as hard as you can to mimic that food, no matter how self-righteous you feel.
how do you know someone eats animal flesh and excretions? don't worry, they'll tell you.
Just gonna insult me then?
Kk sweeite. Great look. Such class.
Is it because you don’t know the answer to my question or because saying the answer out loud makes you feel ashamed?
ha! love it. I'm just messing with you, it's clear you haven't really thought any of this through; culture changes and I get that it can feel scary that you're being left behind.
Cause that way you can eat mac and cheese with hot dogs drowned in mayo without killing animals.
Most vegans don't do it for the health benefits, that's just an excuse to tell others.
No they aren't, unless specified. A lot is isinglass (spelling?) To clarify it, which is fish parts.
Isinglass is not used very much outside breweries trying to do really traditional British styles, because it's finicky and there are better and cheaper options. I'd say that the most common thing making beer non-vegan is adding adjuncts like lactose in milk stouts.
Some beer has honey and milk ingredients
Most non-dairy drinks can be vegan. Why do beer and wine in particular surprise you?
I told a friend of mine I was making Mead and she told me that is not interested because Mead is not vegan. I really forgot that she was vegan and then I started thinking "People usually make fun of vegan food, but beer and wine can be considered vegan (with the exception people has already pointed out) and those are fun drink"
Vegan food being a joke is also a misconception. Vegan stuff can be pretty fucking delicious, but it's more dependent on you flavoring it correctly.
If you fuck up non-vegan food, there is a good chance is it is still alright. If you fuck up vegan food, there is a good chance it's not great.
But properly prepared it can be so awesome.
As people have mentioned the seafood, ill also add that many wines use egg.
Vegan things:
Bread, potatos, noodles, water, air all vegetables, all fruits, 70+% of the average diet.
Vegan is not hard
I'm sorry but absolutely not.
Finding vegan foods is easy, as you've pointed out, however eating well as a vegan takes thought and planning. Especially in the beginning.
This is why so many people fail when they first start. They just cut out everything with animal products, and end up eating bread and salad, and give up when they're basically malnourished and starving.
Saying Vegan is not hard is a disservice to anyone seriously considering it. Instead of being condescending about it, give people resources to help them get it right.
Its a miracle how people can eat absolute garbage but the amount of supplements that is already in the animal products (and all that 1% uptaken plant material) kinda fix that
Not all bread and noodles are vegan, or even vegetarian.
True. Most of them though.
Dry pasta is. Any other noodle will not be. Eggs are used in a lot of places.
There's also dry pasta with eggs.
Usually sold as egg noodles, yes.
Most Italian died pasta is going to be made with just flour and water, but again, there are exceptions.
Exceptions that contain egg?
That's the most common, but there are weird pasta types out there made with beans or cauliflower or such...
The majority of those are vegan by design, but I've seen a few that were just gluten-free, and still used egg as a binder.
Ah okay so it’s probably best to just say not all noodles and bread are vegan.
Not vegetarian? How?
In the southern United States, we have biscuits made with bacon grease and sausage rolls, which are just rolls with ground sausage baked into them.
YEAST ARE ANIMALS!
I thought they were fungi?
But I put it in all caps
AND THEY ARE BEING EXPLOITED!!
IN A TASTY WAY
ABSOLUTELY!!
Oreo cookies are technically vegan.
Wellllllll, maybe. Whitened sugar is processed with bone char, and given how white the stuf is, there’s a good chance that it’s also processed that way.
https://www.eatthis.com/oreo-filling/
Wine is not vegan. Wine uses sulphites which are made from crustaceans.
It's isinglass rather that sulphites that makes a lot of beer and wine non-vegan. It's a type of collagen made from certain fish (not usually crustaceans, so far as I know) that makes the yeast suspended in the liquid sink and coalesce into a sediment that can be removed. If you try homebrewing you'll find that your own produce is hazy unless you use isinglass, although it doesn't significantly change the taste
not all wine
All wines matter!
It’s not the sulphites, but the chitosan that acts as a clarifier that comes from shrimp shells and makes it not vegan.
Milk and fishes are also sometimes used to filter the wine.
Ohh shit. Is beer gonna turn me gay?