What we really need to do is start writing down all the Lemmy instances. It's one thing to tell off reddit, it's another thing to get people off of reddit.
Mod reminder: We do have a rule against brigading. I know this is a special case - but please keep it respectful if you are planning to represent the Fediverse on r/place.
R/place is only remotely possible through the act of brigading
In my opinion, something like "Join Lemmy" is fine, but a giant penis with LEMMY next to it is not as good a look and I'd rather you not coordinate that plan here.
Understood. I'm just requesting we don't make the Fediverse look bad.
Why have a rule against brigading reddit?
I didn't make the rules. I took over as top moderator yesterday. In general, we don't want you to use this community to plan a brigade in a way that would make the Fediverse look bad. I could reword the rule to include that. It hasn't even been an issue until today. It's the first time I've seen it happening in the comments.
I just don't get why anyone would care if we brigade another website, reddit literally brigaded the fucking stock market...
As I've explained elsewhere today, I don't mind if you're using this community to plan a brigade at r/place today that says something like "Join Lemmy" but if you're planning to do something like make a large penis and put "Lemmy" next to it I'd rather you plan that somewhere else. Lemmy.world admins do not want us doing something that makes the Fediverse look bad on Reddit, much less planning it on the site.
Yeah that sounds reasonable.
Thank you for having a respectful conversation with me even though you don't agree with the rules. I will think about rewording that one to be more specific. Today has been very busy for me because of the r/place threads.
Don't overwork yourself.
Let’s start with kbin.social.
Any ideas for a spot?
Part of me doesn't like the fact that this is just giving Reddit engagement.
But another part of me is happy that this is here, even if it'll inevitably get destroyed this is honestly a really sweet gesture.
Gotta love it! I wonder if spez is paying any attention at all. Or better yet if the actual people in charge are.
There's no way they aren't aware of this. But also: what did they expect?
Engagement with the platform to hype up their ipo
Won't help. It's a blip on the radar compared to average daily users. I'll take the bad press any day.
Pretty sure they’re just gambling that this’ll give them a bump in installs/logins with their mobile app that they can use to boost their figures for IPO.
And that's exactly what will happen.
I think they are leaving some of it up so the spez stans can "come to his defence" and this constant back and forth will generate traffic which is what he would use to convince investors to invest.
I think they realize that trying to prevent the “fuck spez” content is futile, and are instead focusing on blocking stuff that tells people about lemmy and other reddit alternatives. That’s much easier to get away with.
All this is doing is driving up engagement for reddit. If you wanna protest then just stay off reddit. This isn't to say I don't enjoy seeing this, cause it is hilarious, but it's still giving them what they want, engagement.
I don't necessarily agree, if one persons short term engagement results in five people's long term disengagements then it's a net gain and a good investment!
It doesn't hurt to use these opportunities to remind people of the reasons to abandon Reddit (and of course of all the various alternatives that exist).
You make a pretty good argument here, never thought of it this way.
Agreed fully with this comment.
#neverforget
This comment is weird to me because people used to use hashtags ironically on Reddit where they did nothing. Here they do and seeing a clickable, functioning hashtag in a comment for the first time is odd.
Not clickable in jerboa
They're on a kbin instance which supports the microblogging portion of activitypub (mastodon).
I didn't realize Lemmy doesn't support hashtags, my bad
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At this rate, it's like shouting against a wall and expect it to melt down by itself -- spez gets a nice sum of money in his pockets each time someone goes to reddit to whine post about him.
I'm skeptical about that because if that was the case, why would they have needed to shake things up in the first place? They just make their profit and users continue using whatever front end they want. Instead they've burned bridges with people who were giving them free labour and have never been profitable.
Well technically if you shouted loud enough and long enough you could emit enough energy to melt down the wall if it was made of a meltable material like steel. Someone could probably do the maths.
It's all engagement for Reddit. They are probably laughing at how gullible people are.
They couldn't make a profit when the engagement was generally happening in good faith. I doubt they'll be able to convert this bad faith engagement into anything of value. It's just a web app where you can change pixels, do they even have ads on there, let alone ones that won't be blocked by all the users using ad blockers?
I mean, it is hard to tell what their goal was in even starting this. The results should have been very predictable. Maybe they were just trying anything they could think of out of desperation, or maybe the whole idea was to get a good idea of what people think of them and if there was a silent majority that didn't care about the third party app drama but would engage sufficiently to drown out the spez hate at least a bit.
But this should have been predictable because even the very first r/place ended up dominated by automation tools, which are used by people looking for a custom experience rather than an official one.
I think the whole "any engagement = profit potential" is the mindset that got Reddit into this mess in the first place. Though maybe more on the angle of "the admins realized they needed to show evidence of that or even realize it for a successful IPO".
Maybe. But if I was thinking about buying into their ipo I might be pretty skeptical of a social media site that's actively antagonizing their users while it can barely turn a profit when 90% of their labor force are unpaid volunteers.
Engagement can be fleeting and I'm not sure their archive content is as valuable to LLMs as they think it is.
Can't wait for Boost for Lemmy
This is beautiful.
If you’re going to protest, do it in a way that will upset Reddit’s ability to sell ads and stock. Put goatse on there. Drop hateful racism and misogyny. Link to The Flash torrents. Post hentai.
Won't work, the Reddit admins just barge in there and start censoring it. Like the Spez effigy guillotine.
Sadly, the French guillotine is gone now.
Proud owner of a pixel that makes up the S at the end.
I guess I'm kind of a big deal
RIF RIP 😭
Rip bozo
Wow, in the article it says you can't access it from old reddit. So the new "place" is to pull people back in and see how engaged people are without old reddit. I haven't been on reddit once in the last month. I'd never use reddit without old reddit.
I'm still on reddit on the computer. The app and site both suck on mobile now, but RES is still kicking and until they kill it it's still the best way to kill down time at work
And then you'll move over to the official app as that becomes the best way to kill time...
I mean if Lemmy collapses yeah... Otherwise this is the best place to kill time on my phone. I don't want to be bombarded with ads and I like having a simple UI, I'm not willing to lose those things if I can find a viable alternative, but I prefer not needing to find one of I can.
I respect that a lot of people are here out of protest, I'm just here because it's the preferable user experience given my tastes.
That's cool to see. Honestly, I haven't been to r/place at all, so I have no idea what's happening there at all. I was only there last year for Technoblade.
Amy attention, good or bad, is attention.
I'm sorry, but I believe if this was just left completely blank, totally ignored, it would send more of a message .
I don't buy into this "there's no such thing as bad press" thinking. Having 10-15% of the canvas devoted to "fuck spez" kind of ruins the "but look at our engagement" argument.
I do love the visual protest, but do you not have to go on Reddit to access space? Still giving them lot's of traffic for the sake of something that may not even appear on the admins radar just seems a little ineffective. Again, love the protest, I just wonder about its efficacy.
What is this? I understand it’s on Reddit, but I’m missing the context. Could somebody please explain it?
Reddit has twice in the past (2017 and 2022, I believe April 1 both times) made r/place - an open canvas where anyone with an account could place a single pixel in a color of their choice every 5 minutes. It's a fascinating social experiment, and was a lot of fun seeing images emerge, and communities spring up around coordinating efforts to make their mark.
Doing it again at a somewhat random time only a year after last time is clearly an attempt to distract from the multiple reasons people are currently upset with Reddit, and it also clearly isn't working, judging by the general tenor of anti-spez (Reddit CEO's username) sentiment
Great, I understand now, thank you for explanation.
Several years ago for April Fools Day, Reddit launched /r/place, which created a canvas where users could place individual pixels every few minutes. Communities would get together to carve out their own little corner of the canvas for a piece of art, and overall the whole thing was pretty well received.
Last year for April Fools Day, they did it again. Overall, once again pretty well received.
Now, since Reddit has pissed everyone off, they're doing it again again, likely in a desperate move to try and generate some positive community interactions. /r/place has always been pretty popular when they've done it before, so this is probably a 'push in case of emergency' attempt to placate users. Predictably, everyone's still mad so they've littered the whole canvas with 'fuck spez' posts.
Never understood why they did it again not on April Fools Day, nor why they have no other ideas for April Fools jokes.
What we really need to do is start writing down all the Lemmy instances. It's one thing to tell off reddit, it's another thing to get people off of reddit.
Mod reminder: We do have a rule against brigading. I know this is a special case - but please keep it respectful if you are planning to represent the Fediverse on r/place.
R/place is only remotely possible through the act of brigading
In my opinion, something like "Join Lemmy" is fine, but a giant penis with LEMMY next to it is not as good a look and I'd rather you not coordinate that plan here.
Understood. I'm just requesting we don't make the Fediverse look bad.
Why have a rule against brigading reddit?
I didn't make the rules. I took over as top moderator yesterday. In general, we don't want you to use this community to plan a brigade in a way that would make the Fediverse look bad. I could reword the rule to include that. It hasn't even been an issue until today. It's the first time I've seen it happening in the comments.
I just don't get why anyone would care if we brigade another website, reddit literally brigaded the fucking stock market...
As I've explained elsewhere today, I don't mind if you're using this community to plan a brigade at r/place today that says something like "Join Lemmy" but if you're planning to do something like make a large penis and put "Lemmy" next to it I'd rather you plan that somewhere else. Lemmy.world admins do not want us doing something that makes the Fediverse look bad on Reddit, much less planning it on the site.
Yeah that sounds reasonable.
Thank you for having a respectful conversation with me even though you don't agree with the rules. I will think about rewording that one to be more specific. Today has been very busy for me because of the r/place threads.
Don't overwork yourself.
Let’s start with kbin.social.
Any ideas for a spot?
Part of me doesn't like the fact that this is just giving Reddit engagement.
But another part of me is happy that this is here, even if it'll inevitably get destroyed this is honestly a really sweet gesture.
Gotta love it! I wonder if spez is paying any attention at all. Or better yet if the actual people in charge are.
There's no way they aren't aware of this. But also: what did they expect?
Engagement with the platform to hype up their ipo
Won't help. It's a blip on the radar compared to average daily users. I'll take the bad press any day.
Pretty sure they’re just gambling that this’ll give them a bump in installs/logins with their mobile app that they can use to boost their figures for IPO.
And that's exactly what will happen.
I think they are leaving some of it up so the spez stans can "come to his defence" and this constant back and forth will generate traffic which is what he would use to convince investors to invest.
I think they realize that trying to prevent the “fuck spez” content is futile, and are instead focusing on blocking stuff that tells people about lemmy and other reddit alternatives. That’s much easier to get away with.
All this is doing is driving up engagement for reddit. If you wanna protest then just stay off reddit. This isn't to say I don't enjoy seeing this, cause it is hilarious, but it's still giving them what they want, engagement.
I don't necessarily agree, if one persons short term engagement results in five people's long term disengagements then it's a net gain and a good investment!
It doesn't hurt to use these opportunities to remind people of the reasons to abandon Reddit (and of course of all the various alternatives that exist).
You make a pretty good argument here, never thought of it this way.
Agreed fully with this comment.
#neverforget
This comment is weird to me because people used to use hashtags ironically on Reddit where they did nothing. Here they do and seeing a clickable, functioning hashtag in a comment for the first time is odd.
Not clickable in jerboa
They're on a kbin instance which supports the microblogging portion of activitypub (mastodon).
On kbin.social it takes you here: https://kbin.social/tag/neverforget. On lemmy it's not a link.
I didn't realize Lemmy doesn't support hashtags, my bad
Or Connect
At this rate, it's like shouting against a wall and expect it to melt down by itself -- spez gets a nice sum of money in his pockets each time someone goes to reddit to
whinepost about him.I'm skeptical about that because if that was the case, why would they have needed to shake things up in the first place? They just make their profit and users continue using whatever front end they want. Instead they've burned bridges with people who were giving them free labour and have never been profitable.
Well technically if you shouted loud enough and long enough you could emit enough energy to melt down the wall if it was made of a meltable material like steel. Someone could probably do the maths.
It's all engagement for Reddit. They are probably laughing at how gullible people are.
They couldn't make a profit when the engagement was generally happening in good faith. I doubt they'll be able to convert this bad faith engagement into anything of value. It's just a web app where you can change pixels, do they even have ads on there, let alone ones that won't be blocked by all the users using ad blockers?
I mean, it is hard to tell what their goal was in even starting this. The results should have been very predictable. Maybe they were just trying anything they could think of out of desperation, or maybe the whole idea was to get a good idea of what people think of them and if there was a silent majority that didn't care about the third party app drama but would engage sufficiently to drown out the spez hate at least a bit.
But this should have been predictable because even the very first r/place ended up dominated by automation tools, which are used by people looking for a custom experience rather than an official one.
I think the whole "any engagement = profit potential" is the mindset that got Reddit into this mess in the first place. Though maybe more on the angle of "the admins realized they needed to show evidence of that or even realize it for a successful IPO".
Maybe. But if I was thinking about buying into their ipo I might be pretty skeptical of a social media site that's actively antagonizing their users while it can barely turn a profit when 90% of their labor force are unpaid volunteers.
Engagement can be fleeting and I'm not sure their archive content is as valuable to LLMs as they think it is.
Can't wait for Boost for Lemmy
This is beautiful.
If you’re going to protest, do it in a way that will upset Reddit’s ability to sell ads and stock. Put goatse on there. Drop hateful racism and misogyny. Link to The Flash torrents. Post hentai.
Won't work, the Reddit admins just barge in there and start censoring it. Like the Spez effigy guillotine.
Sadly, the French guillotine is gone now.
Proud owner of a pixel that makes up the S at the end.
I guess I'm kind of a big deal
RIF RIP 😭
Rip bozo
Wow, in the article it says you can't access it from old reddit. So the new "place" is to pull people back in and see how engaged people are without old reddit. I haven't been on reddit once in the last month. I'd never use reddit without old reddit.
I'm still on reddit on the computer. The app and site both suck on mobile now, but RES is still kicking and until they kill it it's still the best way to kill down time at work
And then you'll move over to the official app as that becomes the best way to kill time...
I mean if Lemmy collapses yeah... Otherwise this is the best place to kill time on my phone. I don't want to be bombarded with ads and I like having a simple UI, I'm not willing to lose those things if I can find a viable alternative, but I prefer not needing to find one of I can.
I respect that a lot of people are here out of protest, I'm just here because it's the preferable user experience given my tastes.
That's cool to see. Honestly, I haven't been to r/place at all, so I have no idea what's happening there at all. I was only there last year for Technoblade.
Amy attention, good or bad, is attention. I'm sorry, but I believe if this was just left completely blank, totally ignored, it would send more of a message .
I don't buy into this "there's no such thing as bad press" thinking. Having 10-15% of the canvas devoted to "fuck spez" kind of ruins the "but look at our engagement" argument.
I do love the visual protest, but do you not have to go on Reddit to access space? Still giving them lot's of traffic for the sake of something that may not even appear on the admins radar just seems a little ineffective. Again, love the protest, I just wonder about its efficacy.
What is this? I understand it’s on Reddit, but I’m missing the context. Could somebody please explain it?
Reddit has twice in the past (2017 and 2022, I believe April 1 both times) made r/place - an open canvas where anyone with an account could place a single pixel in a color of their choice every 5 minutes. It's a fascinating social experiment, and was a lot of fun seeing images emerge, and communities spring up around coordinating efforts to make their mark. Doing it again at a somewhat random time only a year after last time is clearly an attempt to distract from the multiple reasons people are currently upset with Reddit, and it also clearly isn't working, judging by the general tenor of anti-spez (Reddit CEO's username) sentiment
Great, I understand now, thank you for explanation.
Several years ago for April Fools Day, Reddit launched /r/place, which created a canvas where users could place individual pixels every few minutes. Communities would get together to carve out their own little corner of the canvas for a piece of art, and overall the whole thing was pretty well received.
Last year for April Fools Day, they did it again. Overall, once again pretty well received.
Now, since Reddit has pissed everyone off, they're doing it again again, likely in a desperate move to try and generate some positive community interactions. /r/place has always been pretty popular when they've done it before, so this is probably a 'push in case of emergency' attempt to placate users. Predictably, everyone's still mad so they've littered the whole canvas with 'fuck spez' posts.
Never understood why they did it again not on April Fools Day, nor why they have no other ideas for April Fools jokes.
Here’s a good article about it from The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/19/23800309/reddit-r-place-2023-protest
Newer article about how the crap has very much hit the fan with r/place: https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/20/23801716/reddits-r-place-protest-art
Oh. I understand now. This is brilliant and totally expected. Why do they even stay there
The first time I see Joey mentioned <3