I still don't understand why would I want a PS5 when I have a PC
I could see the appeal of consoles back in the day, when they were weaker specs but much cheaper and the games just worked right out of the box. But nowadays it seems like they're just as expensive, still not as good for specs and the games are just as bug-riddled as PC games half the time. And Sony has been releasing all their big hits on PC anyway so yeah really no reason for me to get a PS5 that I can see.
But nowadays it seems like they're just as expensive, still not as good for specs and the games are just as bug-riddled as PC games half the time.
No they aren’t ‘as expensive’, LTT did a video a while back where they tried to build a PC that could beat a PS5 for a similar price. They had to buy used parts to match the price and the PC did not include a controller ($69). If you’re going to use used parts, then also compare it to the price of a used PS5.
And Sony has been releasing all their big hits on PC anyway so yeah really no reason for me to get a PS5 that I can see.
Sure, if you want to play old-ass games, get a PC.
I think the offsetting cost factor basis is that a PC is a computer that can be used for more than gaming and the console is pretty much useless after 3-5 years (considering the PS4 @ 2013, PS4 Pro @ 2016, and the PS5 @ 2020, and how PS4 Pros are beginning to struggle today, and OG PS4's being obsolete). Are PC's more expensive upfront now? Sure. But you also don't have to re-purchase your games each generation at the whim of the publisher, like you're likely going to end up doing with Sony and Nintendo, with the added benefit of being able to use it for other projects after its contemporary gaming lifespan.
Basically, if you built a PC in 2013 you're probably still able to use it today as a server or hobby project PC (digital art, music, etc). PC's were also cheaper back then before NVIDIA made GPU's cost $1,000. Good luck re-using a console.
I see you don't replay games, so why even own a console if you only play a game once?
I see you don't replay games, so why even own a console if you only play a game once?
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. If I don’t play a game multiple times I shouldn’t play it at all?
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Gaming PC's are expensive and a luxury! It makes sense economically. With consoles there's an incentive to sell hardware cheap to get people into the ecosystem. With the exception of the steamdeck, there's no such incentive for PC's: if the hardware is worth x amount, you can bet your ass you'll have to pay at least that. Yeah games are generally cheaper on PC, but not by much, and the barrier to entry is much lower for consoles. Hell, the PC I just built from used parts and Amazon deals cost me $800 (not including accessories), and while the processor and ram is almost certainly better than the ps5's, the graphics are about on par, if anything slightly worse. You can find used ps5's for less than $400. Is there really a used PC out there that can touch that?
Because my pc uses 4-5 times the power to run the same ps4-era game. (Especially nice when it’s hot in summer)
So I play it on my ps5, which offers me quick resume as well.
I love pc gaming, been building pc’s for over a decade at this point, but I do also see the advantages my ps5 has over my pc.
Could I build a more efficient and quiet pc, attach it to my tv and use that? Probably, and it’d be quite good with steamOS on it, but it’d be finicky to get sleep/resume working on it, and it’d probably cost me more.
just wait till arm becomes mainstream
ARM isn't more efficient than x86 at that scale. Below 15W or so, it is, but not scaled up. I think there are other good reasons for it--like having more than three companies that can produce them--but not that.
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And then there are people like me who buy all the consoles just to have them and barely use them all and mainly game on the PC.
Same, if only to keep fulfilling a childhood commitment to myself of owning all consoles after seeing some friends of mine having a Sega AND a Nintendo.
Couch gaming.
I'm a technical person and I've tried a lot of different methods to do couch gaming with a PC. From having some sort of lap tray to various wireless mice and keyboard solutions. I've currently landed on having my gaming desktop just stream with Steam Link to my living room. As long as I'm selective about which games I want to play, I can usually get a good experience. But I still have at least 60% of my steam library that isn't a good experience doing that.
Having a dedicated piece of hardware with a custom OS that is designed around a controller is a huge difference maker. Plus you add in how ridiculously expensive it is to get either a USB external optical drive or internal SATA drive to watch DVDs and Blu-Rays. Heck, even just watching Netflix or YouTube in the living room is easier on PS5 than a media PC for the average user.
There's a reason Valve tried to make the Steam Machine.
Exclusives, simplicity, ease of use. I had a gaming PC, but switched to the PS5 only because I realized I've been using my PC like a PS5. I only play like fifa and gta now since most new games don't even excite me anymore.
I don’t understand why I would buy a PC when I can get a PS5.
It has a library going back 30+ years.
It is useful for other things.
I don’t play old games. I don’t even play PS4 games on my PS5.
I have no other use for a desktop PC.
You're not going to play any of your PS5 games in 5-10 years? You're happy with some of your games aging out of your library?
You do you, but you might be an outlier.
You're not going to play any of your PS5 games in 5-10 years?
No, I only ever play through a game once. After I finish the main campaign I’ll never touch it again.
Why would I play a game I already played when I could play a new game instead?
Sounds like what you enjoy are shallow, linear story games. To each their own, of course. Glad you're happy with what PS5 offers you in that regard. But the industry has a lot more to offer than that.
How are story games shallow? They are much deeper than the next generic multiplayer shooter. I happen to like stories in all forms, books, movies, series and video games. Video games are unique in that they allow you to be part of a story. For me the story is the single most important thing of a game. Often I simply play games on easy or story mode, mainly to keep up the pacing of the story.
You misread that. Sounds like you are being defensive.
They are saying the person likes the ones that ARE shallow.
I never said story games are shallow. But if the games you like are ones where you can feel like you've experienced all the game and the story has to offer in a single playthrough then they are, by definition, shallow. Even a great movie is worth watching multiple times of its story has any appreciable depth. Video games, even more so since there should be more to the story to experience.
Even a great movie is worth watching multiple times of its story has any appreciable depth.
That sounds more like a you problem.
I guess it's possible you are correct and like the bulk of people who have ever studied film, literature, and art more generally are wrong. That seems unlikely. More plausible is that it's common for people to experience a given work multiple times and get different things out of it.
That's not even accounting for the "Reading Lear as an old man hits differently than reading it when I was a teenager" factor. That is, who you are changes over time and that affects how you experience art.
Roguelikes.
Roguelites.
Chess.
Deck builders.
More broadly, games with different narrative choices (eg: Witcher 2 has two mutually exclusive middle acts).
And also more broadly, games with different mechanical choices (eg: many RPGs).
There's also games where the process itself is fun (eg: Tetris).
Also, as many humans have imperfect memory, after enough time has passed a game may feel fresh playing it again. It may also land differently playing it at a new stage in life.
I hâte to agree with the other person here, but I'm a big roguelike fan and I rarely dust-off one that I have played before. I go through a period where I play a game quasi-exclusively until I burn out, then I will probably never touch it again.
I don't think that's especially common for roguelikes. I played a lot of crawl: stone soup and it was pretty common for folks to go for a win with every species, god, and class.
I would still do that, to an extent. But not if I've stopped playing that game for months.
Out of curiosity, what about games that update? Crawl gets a new release like every six months where they often make big changes. New gods, species, other changes (like when they removed food, or added shapeshifting talismans)
Hmmmm. Not sure I've been in that situation too often. But honestly, as a young parent, my gaming time is very limited. Even if there is an important update to a game I've played in the past, chances are I've got my eyes on another game I've been waiting to play instead.
Roguelikes.
Roguelites.
Chess.
Deck builders.
Not my cup of tea.
More broadly, games with different narrative choices (eg: Witcher 2 has two mutually exclusive middle acts).
I kinda like it that it makes my decisions in the game more impactful. If you're going to go back and play the other option anyway, then it kind of makes the decision meaningless.
Outlier 100%
For self-hosting / drawing / video editing or other useful things that you can do with a PC? You can also play FPS with keyboard & mouse
For self-hosting I have several Linux and *BSD machines, but that’s server-grade hardare, not gaming hardware. None of those machines even has a GPU.
Drawing I do on my iPad Pro, for everything else I have a MacBook Pro. If I got a desktop PC it would only be used for games, I have no real need for non-server PC hardware.
I still don't understand why would I give Apple my money when there are alternatives
Because they have the best hardware and the best desktop OS. Nothing comes close.
I'm not sure why I'd want a PS5 when there are zero games that interest me on it, and most of PC games I do want have very modest requirements. A Steam Deck is overkill for most of them.
We obviously like different kinds of games. A large part of the games that interest me are PS5 exclusives, at least at launch.
The 79,900 games available on steam vs 7,200 on PS 4/5.
99.999% of the games on Steam are low budget crap. On PSN it’s only like 98%
That math doesn't work out
Seems most don't live near a Microcenter and it shows!
I picked up a Steam Deck to get into PC gaming and frankly, I don't get it. So many games not even worth the bandwidth to download much less actually play.
Steam users aren't known for great taste in games.
And yeah, since Fry's shut down, I haven't thought about building a PC again. No Microcenter around here either.
i'm the exact opposite. all my computers are macs so I've been gaming on PS5 for years. picked up an sd oled mostly to play hades, but have finished dead island 2, ghsot of tsushima and hogwarts legacy on it. the barrier to entry to play a game is so low with the steamdecks suspend feature, I can just pick it up and be playing 5 seconds later.
I also am a Mac user who has a PS5 and a Steam Deck and honestly my SD is collecting dust. It’s a cool bit of hardware but it has too many compromises. The main problem is that it’s just not comfortable to play on. The screen is too small and the way you hold it you end up constantly looking down at is, which is just not ergonomic. The PS5 is also on in seconds from rest mode, and has the benefit of being hooked up to a 77” OLED and a nice 5.1.4 surround sound system.
Maybe you've just grown out of gaming. The Steam Deck has it's issues, but the sheer amount of different great games playable on it is debatably it's greatest strength. Hades, Armored Core, Persona, Dark Souls, pokemon romhacks, etc.
You have discovered sturgeon's law. 90% of everything is crap. Judging a medium or genre by the crap isn't useful.
Steam is a platform that works best for word of mouth. Yes, 90% of it is crap if you just browse around. Hang around gaming forums and YouTube channels that highlight top indy games, and you'll soon have more games than you can play in a lifetime.
Those of us who rave about it have been doing this for years and have a big backlog. Now that I think about it, it would be difficult to jump in cold.
"Console sales are down. Circana analyst Mat Piscatella marked a 26% decline in spending on current-generation consoles this April compared to last April."
We're 4 years into the generation, sales declines aren't uncommon, but this gen has had unique challenges:
Covid fucked it all up. Supply chain issues screwed availability, software engineering ganked game development.
Too much emphasis on "Cross Gen". Why would someone scramble to get a hard to find PS5 or Xbox Series when the same game is out on PS4/Xbox One X?
Long generations are kind of the new thing, starting with Xbox 360/PS3. Previously they were around 5 years and people are looking for the next machines now.
Microsoft and Sony force them to develop for the lowest spec gen, so no you cannot play on your PS5/X whatever because PS4 and One X cannot run new game engine.
I somewhat understand what you are talking about but the buggy and poorly maintained Elite Dangerous isn't the best example to support your argument. BG3 getting a pass on some features for the series S is exactly what other games should be able to do if it makes sense for them.
Microsoft and Sony force them to develop for the lowest spec gen
No they don’t. If the developers wanted they could have dropped support for the last gen versions for newer updates (like what cyberpunk did).
Also for what it’s worth they even had a ps4 trailer for the Odyssey dlc.
I think we're too far out to blame supply chain issues. PS5 is lagging behind PS4 at the same point in its life by about 20M consoles. #2 is both a symptom and a cause. Developers across the entire industry have bloated their development timelines. That means fewer games and less reacting to consumer tends. When do you think Concord started development, for instance? And do you think it still would have been made if it started after Overwatch 2 came out?
Plus, consumers seem to be gravitating toward the less restrictive open standard. If you're in Sony land, you need to replace your old controllers, even though they still work; you have to pay for online play; backwards compatibility is a bit of a dice roll, and if you want features as similar as higher resolution textures and better frame rates, they're going to sell you a remaster rather than just letting you turn up the settings. In ruling over their walled garden ecosystem and trying to extract more money from it, they've given players more and more reason to play on PC.
Pretty sure the shortest time between Playstation consoles was 6 years (PS1 > PS2 & PS2 > PS3.) Then 7 years for both PS4 and PS5.
Playstation consoles are weird because Sony just can't let go of old hardware (unless it's the PSP).
The PS1 was in production from 1994/1995 (Japan/US) to 2006(!) So it technically overlapped both the PS2 and PS3(!)
PS2 ran from 2000 to 2013.
PS3 2006 to 2017.
The money is in the users not selling the hardware. As long as Playstation has hundreds of million daily users they will continue to make insane profit. The people will move up a generation eventually.
I think what we're seeing is that people aren't choosing to move up a generation.
Yea because ps4 is still getting all the releases and ps5 is really expensive. I have friends who still play on ps4 and I went to their house and they're playing games on like 20fps having a blast. It was kinda wholesome I just wish they weren't getting scammed by Sony and chose pc so they could play games that actually run on their hardware.
Given how much PC has grown in the same time, statistically, they are moving to PC.
Apparently not enough, because Sony focuses on PC more than ever.
Focusing on PC more than ever isn't exactly a high bar. Consoles (maybe not xbox) are still doing extremely well and consoles are more popular than PC by quite a big margin. I expect Sony and Nintendo to continue to grow their userbase even if the sales on the latest platform drop a bit.
consoles are more popular than PC by quite a big margin.
How do you measure this? Steam alone has 130 to 150 million active users, more than Switch customers at a whole. And that does not even include some of the most popular PC games at all. I also expect PC user base to grow, it has more potential than consoles.
So yes, its a big deal for companies like Sony to open up this big to PC and to be that successful. They don't even need to sell a console to sell games. Off course consoles will remain popular and for good reason. But most popular games are mulitsystem games and not specific to consoles anyway. In my opinion it is remarkable how much Sony focuses on PC now. I hope they keep doing it; its only beneficial for the players, the publishers and for Sony.
The stats I could find compared pc and current and last gen consoles so ps4 and ps5 era and the split was basically 50/50. But if you think about it that's not a fair comparison because pc has people who running on hardware worse than a ps3.
I mostly take issue with the smug tone of the article acting like it's over for consoles just because they didn't meet expectations and decided to bring some games to pc. Consoles are still extremely popular and far more powerful than the average pc according to steam hardware survey. They will still be around and successful no doubt about it.
that's not a fair comparison because pc has people who running on hardware worse than a ps3.
This is a benefit of using PC, not a downside. Unlike consoles, you aren't forced to upgrade every few years and you actually have the ability to change graphics settings. Even if you want to upgrade your PC, you don't need to get an entirely new build.
That's also missing the fact that plenty of people don't need or want to play the latest AAA title.
I mostly take issue with the smug tone of the article acting like it’s over for consoles just because they didn’t meet expectations and decided to bring some games to pc. Consoles are still extremely popular and far more powerful than the average pc according to steam hardware survey. They will still be around and successful no doubt about it.
I agree with you here. These articles are stupid telling people it would be over for consoles. It's just clickbait or they are uninformed. Maybe besides your point that the "average pc" is that weak as you say. Most are at a level of PS4 or stronger. But that is not all you need to compare if you want to an analysis. This topic is extremely complicated. You can't just take the average. There are far more PC users than console players. Its like taking the Game Boy into account and saying that the average game consoles is weak. That's not the full story.
In example most monthly active users on consoles play games that could be played on a potato PC or last gen consoles too and these people probably do not buy newest games. Similar to the situation on PC.
Some things to say back to this:
Most people now have the console they prefer, and it’s lasting them. They don’t necessarily need new consoles. This is true EVEN if that console is a PS4, Xbox One, or Switch. They don’t get everything, but a surprising number of major releases still come to all those destinations.
It’s still nicely convenient to have consoles for less setup and configuration. Some people manage really complex problems for their work and home projects already - a desktop computer may be beyond their tolerance.
The one holdout among the console makers is Nintendo, whose PC strategy is still to threaten fan projects with lawsuits. Perhaps I do not have to hand it to Nintendo for this, but as a result of its obstinance, the Switch is the only console I'd consider buying as a PC gamer. Nintendo remains a one-of-a-kind gaming company, whereas Xbox and PlayStation feel less and less distinguishable from gaming at large—aka PC gaming.
I'm not sure about this analysis of the Switch's success. The "lawsuit" argument is pretty irrelevant; the console would sell regardless of whether emulation existed (as it has, for most of the big titles and for much of the console's life). I think the "one-of-a-kind" argument is accurate, but I'd also suggest that the very wide library of games is a major reason why Nintendo has performed so well in this generation. The Switch appeals to almost every single type of gamer - there is so much variety there. Additionally, the portability is clear point of difference: for many, the Switch is more like a handheld that they can occasionally play on the TV, rather than a traditional home console. And finally, the Switch is just a more affordable option and that has mattered a lot since 2020.
I’ve never been into this pc vs console cringe fest of an argument. I’ve always been a pc gamer, but guess what, some exclusives only come to consoles. If I want to play that exclusive enough and I have expendable cash, I’ll buy it. I still prefer to play on pc over any of the consoles, but a ps5 is a solid system.
I haven't had a gaming-capable PC for about a decade and I'm very happy with my PS5 (and the PS4 before it). Sony bringing exclusives to PC don't feel like the end times as it's just a way for them to make more money.
I'm genuinely glad that PC players will get to experience some of the great games that have been on the PS5 in the last few years.
It's literally brave of you to come to this community and this thread and say that you love your console. And then to express positivity for PC users! You are exactly what we need more of in gaming.
Consoles have just been proprietary PCs since the Xbox 360. It's a wonder they've lasted this long.
Still crossing my fingers and waiting for Steam Machines 😔
If you have Steam on your pc, you have a steam machine. Plug it into your tv if you want a bigger screen experience
If you have Steam on your pc, you have a steam machine
You obviously don't understand what those words mean.
I have a Steam Machine. But many many more would have them if Valve sold them directly.
What is the difference? You can buy a smaller PC, install Bazzite OS on it and plug it into your tv. Voila, you now have a steam console. Quite literally. lol
A Steam Machine runs SteamOS
SteamOS does not, at any time, require a mouse or keyboard
Gamescope
All of that can be done on what I suggested.
No, what you suggested was:
If you have Steam on your pc, you have a steam machine.
That's what a "steam machine" is, though. lol
That's not what it is though LOL
I've already explained to you what it is LOL
I own a PS5 and only play Don't Starve together because they only enable couch coop on console. Bullshit lazy PC devs.
If I'm ever getting a PS, then it's only because of Don't Starve split screen gaming.
Some of us are not PC gamers and have no desire to be. I prefer consoles and will always do, though I miss the simple -no-install required- consoles of yesteryear.
Going back awhile now too for that no install right? Like didn't PS3 have some installs? My memory is fuzzy on when it exactly started, but yeah it was nice to just pop in the media (cart, disc) and play. That was a great perk of console games, especially rentals,though there was a small time I could rent PC games when I moved to a city in the late 90s. These days I mostly play on PC anyways so always install but it was nice for the first few decades of my gaming to not require it.
the real problem for me was paying toplay online games and having no way to install games but the ps store
Can count on one hand the number of times the xbox was even powered on. The ps4 gets more time but my pc is my main platform.
Consoles are great if you want the same thing you can get on your computer but with worse graphics, shittier framerate, and a terrible device for input.
true, but try making a half decent PC for the price of one console
I still don't understand why would I want a PS5 when I have a PC
I could see the appeal of consoles back in the day, when they were weaker specs but much cheaper and the games just worked right out of the box. But nowadays it seems like they're just as expensive, still not as good for specs and the games are just as bug-riddled as PC games half the time. And Sony has been releasing all their big hits on PC anyway so yeah really no reason for me to get a PS5 that I can see.
No they aren’t ‘as expensive’, LTT did a video a while back where they tried to build a PC that could beat a PS5 for a similar price. They had to buy used parts to match the price and the PC did not include a controller ($69). If you’re going to use used parts, then also compare it to the price of a used PS5.
Sure, if you want to play old-ass games, get a PC.
I think the offsetting cost factor basis is that a PC is a computer that can be used for more than gaming and the console is pretty much useless after 3-5 years (considering the PS4 @ 2013, PS4 Pro @ 2016, and the PS5 @ 2020, and how PS4 Pros are beginning to struggle today, and OG PS4's being obsolete). Are PC's more expensive upfront now? Sure. But you also don't have to re-purchase your games each generation at the whim of the publisher, like you're likely going to end up doing with Sony and Nintendo, with the added benefit of being able to use it for other projects after its contemporary gaming lifespan.
Basically, if you built a PC in 2013 you're probably still able to use it today as a server or hobby project PC (digital art, music, etc). PC's were also cheaper back then before NVIDIA made GPU's cost $1,000. Good luck re-using a console.
I see you don't replay games, so why even own a console if you only play a game once?
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. If I don’t play a game multiple times I shouldn’t play it at all?
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Gaming PC's are expensive and a luxury! It makes sense economically. With consoles there's an incentive to sell hardware cheap to get people into the ecosystem. With the exception of the steamdeck, there's no such incentive for PC's: if the hardware is worth x amount, you can bet your ass you'll have to pay at least that. Yeah games are generally cheaper on PC, but not by much, and the barrier to entry is much lower for consoles. Hell, the PC I just built from used parts and Amazon deals cost me $800 (not including accessories), and while the processor and ram is almost certainly better than the ps5's, the graphics are about on par, if anything slightly worse. You can find used ps5's for less than $400. Is there really a used PC out there that can touch that?
Because my pc uses 4-5 times the power to run the same ps4-era game. (Especially nice when it’s hot in summer)
So I play it on my ps5, which offers me quick resume as well.
I love pc gaming, been building pc’s for over a decade at this point, but I do also see the advantages my ps5 has over my pc.
Could I build a more efficient and quiet pc, attach it to my tv and use that? Probably, and it’d be quite good with steamOS on it, but it’d be finicky to get sleep/resume working on it, and it’d probably cost me more.
just wait till arm becomes mainstream
ARM isn't more efficient than x86 at that scale. Below 15W or so, it is, but not scaled up. I think there are other good reasons for it--like having more than three companies that can produce them--but not that.
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And then there are people like me who buy all the consoles just to have them and barely use them all and mainly game on the PC.
Same, if only to keep fulfilling a childhood commitment to myself of owning all consoles after seeing some friends of mine having a Sega AND a Nintendo.
Couch gaming.
I'm a technical person and I've tried a lot of different methods to do couch gaming with a PC. From having some sort of lap tray to various wireless mice and keyboard solutions. I've currently landed on having my gaming desktop just stream with Steam Link to my living room. As long as I'm selective about which games I want to play, I can usually get a good experience. But I still have at least 60% of my steam library that isn't a good experience doing that.
Having a dedicated piece of hardware with a custom OS that is designed around a controller is a huge difference maker. Plus you add in how ridiculously expensive it is to get either a USB external optical drive or internal SATA drive to watch DVDs and Blu-Rays. Heck, even just watching Netflix or YouTube in the living room is easier on PS5 than a media PC for the average user.
There's a reason Valve tried to make the Steam Machine.
Exclusives, simplicity, ease of use. I had a gaming PC, but switched to the PS5 only because I realized I've been using my PC like a PS5. I only play like fifa and gta now since most new games don't even excite me anymore.
I don’t understand why I would buy a PC when I can get a PS5.
It has a library going back 30+ years.
It is useful for other things.
I don’t play old games. I don’t even play PS4 games on my PS5.
I have no other use for a desktop PC.
You're not going to play any of your PS5 games in 5-10 years? You're happy with some of your games aging out of your library?
You do you, but you might be an outlier.
No, I only ever play through a game once. After I finish the main campaign I’ll never touch it again.
Why would I play a game I already played when I could play a new game instead?
Sounds like what you enjoy are shallow, linear story games. To each their own, of course. Glad you're happy with what PS5 offers you in that regard. But the industry has a lot more to offer than that.
How are story games shallow? They are much deeper than the next generic multiplayer shooter. I happen to like stories in all forms, books, movies, series and video games. Video games are unique in that they allow you to be part of a story. For me the story is the single most important thing of a game. Often I simply play games on easy or story mode, mainly to keep up the pacing of the story.
You misread that. Sounds like you are being defensive.
They are saying the person likes the ones that ARE shallow.
I never said story games are shallow. But if the games you like are ones where you can feel like you've experienced all the game and the story has to offer in a single playthrough then they are, by definition, shallow. Even a great movie is worth watching multiple times of its story has any appreciable depth. Video games, even more so since there should be more to the story to experience.
That sounds more like a you problem.
I guess it's possible you are correct and like the bulk of people who have ever studied film, literature, and art more generally are wrong. That seems unlikely. More plausible is that it's common for people to experience a given work multiple times and get different things out of it.
That's not even accounting for the "Reading Lear as an old man hits differently than reading it when I was a teenager" factor. That is, who you are changes over time and that affects how you experience art.
Roguelikes.
Roguelites.
Chess.
Deck builders.
More broadly, games with different narrative choices (eg: Witcher 2 has two mutually exclusive middle acts).
And also more broadly, games with different mechanical choices (eg: many RPGs).
There's also games where the process itself is fun (eg: Tetris).
Also, as many humans have imperfect memory, after enough time has passed a game may feel fresh playing it again. It may also land differently playing it at a new stage in life.
I hâte to agree with the other person here, but I'm a big roguelike fan and I rarely dust-off one that I have played before. I go through a period where I play a game quasi-exclusively until I burn out, then I will probably never touch it again.
I don't think that's especially common for roguelikes. I played a lot of crawl: stone soup and it was pretty common for folks to go for a win with every species, god, and class.
I would still do that, to an extent. But not if I've stopped playing that game for months.
Out of curiosity, what about games that update? Crawl gets a new release like every six months where they often make big changes. New gods, species, other changes (like when they removed food, or added shapeshifting talismans)
Hmmmm. Not sure I've been in that situation too often. But honestly, as a young parent, my gaming time is very limited. Even if there is an important update to a game I've played in the past, chances are I've got my eyes on another game I've been waiting to play instead.
Not my cup of tea.
I kinda like it that it makes my decisions in the game more impactful. If you're going to go back and play the other option anyway, then it kind of makes the decision meaningless.
Outlier 100%
For self-hosting / drawing / video editing or other useful things that you can do with a PC? You can also play FPS with keyboard & mouse
For self-hosting I have several Linux and *BSD machines, but that’s server-grade hardare, not gaming hardware. None of those machines even has a GPU.
Drawing I do on my iPad Pro, for everything else I have a MacBook Pro. If I got a desktop PC it would only be used for games, I have no real need for non-server PC hardware.
I still don't understand why would I give Apple my money when there are alternatives
Because they have the best hardware and the best desktop OS. Nothing comes close.
I'm not sure why I'd want a PS5 when there are zero games that interest me on it, and most of PC games I do want have very modest requirements. A Steam Deck is overkill for most of them.
We obviously like different kinds of games. A large part of the games that interest me are PS5 exclusives, at least at launch.
The 79,900 games available on steam vs 7,200 on PS 4/5.
99.999% of the games on Steam are low budget crap. On PSN it’s only like 98%
That math doesn't work out
Seems most don't live near a Microcenter and it shows!
Consoles forever crappy spec PCs.
At least I can stream my Desktop to my Steam Deck OLED with HDR even with Moonlight 🌕 + Sunshine ☀️
I picked up a Steam Deck to get into PC gaming and frankly, I don't get it. So many games not even worth the bandwidth to download much less actually play.
Edit Example:
https://www.polygon.com/gaming/24173617/banana-clicker-game-steam-egg
Steam users aren't known for great taste in games.
And yeah, since Fry's shut down, I haven't thought about building a PC again. No Microcenter around here either.
i'm the exact opposite. all my computers are macs so I've been gaming on PS5 for years. picked up an sd oled mostly to play hades, but have finished dead island 2, ghsot of tsushima and hogwarts legacy on it. the barrier to entry to play a game is so low with the steamdecks suspend feature, I can just pick it up and be playing 5 seconds later.
I also am a Mac user who has a PS5 and a Steam Deck and honestly my SD is collecting dust. It’s a cool bit of hardware but it has too many compromises. The main problem is that it’s just not comfortable to play on. The screen is too small and the way you hold it you end up constantly looking down at is, which is just not ergonomic. The PS5 is also on in seconds from rest mode, and has the benefit of being hooked up to a 77” OLED and a nice 5.1.4 surround sound system.
Maybe you've just grown out of gaming. The Steam Deck has it's issues, but the sheer amount of different great games playable on it is debatably it's greatest strength. Hades, Armored Core, Persona, Dark Souls, pokemon romhacks, etc.
You have discovered sturgeon's law. 90% of everything is crap. Judging a medium or genre by the crap isn't useful.
Steam is a platform that works best for word of mouth. Yes, 90% of it is crap if you just browse around. Hang around gaming forums and YouTube channels that highlight top indy games, and you'll soon have more games than you can play in a lifetime.
Those of us who rave about it have been doing this for years and have a big backlog. Now that I think about it, it would be difficult to jump in cold.
"Console sales are down. Circana analyst Mat Piscatella marked a 26% decline in spending on current-generation consoles this April compared to last April."
We're 4 years into the generation, sales declines aren't uncommon, but this gen has had unique challenges:
Covid fucked it all up. Supply chain issues screwed availability, software engineering ganked game development.
Too much emphasis on "Cross Gen". Why would someone scramble to get a hard to find PS5 or Xbox Series when the same game is out on PS4/Xbox One X?
Long generations are kind of the new thing, starting with Xbox 360/PS3. Previously they were around 5 years and people are looking for the next machines now.
And people cry when games like Elite Dangerous drop console support.
Microsoft and Sony force them to develop for the lowest spec gen, so no you cannot play on your PS5/X whatever because PS4 and One X cannot run new game engine.
They were never more than 20% of the player base.
Also get your free PC copy Here 🥹
I somewhat understand what you are talking about but the buggy and poorly maintained Elite Dangerous isn't the best example to support your argument. BG3 getting a pass on some features for the series S is exactly what other games should be able to do if it makes sense for them.
No they don’t. If the developers wanted they could have dropped support for the last gen versions for newer updates (like what cyberpunk did).
Also for what it’s worth they even had a ps4 trailer for the Odyssey dlc.
I think we're too far out to blame supply chain issues. PS5 is lagging behind PS4 at the same point in its life by about 20M consoles. #2 is both a symptom and a cause. Developers across the entire industry have bloated their development timelines. That means fewer games and less reacting to consumer tends. When do you think Concord started development, for instance? And do you think it still would have been made if it started after Overwatch 2 came out?
Plus, consumers seem to be gravitating toward the less restrictive open standard. If you're in Sony land, you need to replace your old controllers, even though they still work; you have to pay for online play; backwards compatibility is a bit of a dice roll, and if you want features as similar as higher resolution textures and better frame rates, they're going to sell you a remaster rather than just letting you turn up the settings. In ruling over their walled garden ecosystem and trying to extract more money from it, they've given players more and more reason to play on PC.
Pretty sure the shortest time between Playstation consoles was 6 years (PS1 > PS2 & PS2 > PS3.) Then 7 years for both PS4 and PS5.
Playstation consoles are weird because Sony just can't let go of old hardware (unless it's the PSP).
The PS1 was in production from 1994/1995 (Japan/US) to 2006(!) So it technically overlapped both the PS2 and PS3(!)
PS2 ran from 2000 to 2013.
PS3 2006 to 2017.
The money is in the users not selling the hardware. As long as Playstation has hundreds of million daily users they will continue to make insane profit. The people will move up a generation eventually.
I think what we're seeing is that people aren't choosing to move up a generation.
Yea because ps4 is still getting all the releases and ps5 is really expensive. I have friends who still play on ps4 and I went to their house and they're playing games on like 20fps having a blast. It was kinda wholesome I just wish they weren't getting scammed by Sony and chose pc so they could play games that actually run on their hardware.
Given how much PC has grown in the same time, statistically, they are moving to PC.
Apparently not enough, because Sony focuses on PC more than ever.
Focusing on PC more than ever isn't exactly a high bar. Consoles (maybe not xbox) are still doing extremely well and consoles are more popular than PC by quite a big margin. I expect Sony and Nintendo to continue to grow their userbase even if the sales on the latest platform drop a bit.
How do you measure this? Steam alone has 130 to 150 million active users, more than Switch customers at a whole. And that does not even include some of the most popular PC games at all. I also expect PC user base to grow, it has more potential than consoles.
So yes, its a big deal for companies like Sony to open up this big to PC and to be that successful. They don't even need to sell a console to sell games. Off course consoles will remain popular and for good reason. But most popular games are mulitsystem games and not specific to consoles anyway. In my opinion it is remarkable how much Sony focuses on PC now. I hope they keep doing it; its only beneficial for the players, the publishers and for Sony.
The stats I could find compared pc and current and last gen consoles so ps4 and ps5 era and the split was basically 50/50. But if you think about it that's not a fair comparison because pc has people who running on hardware worse than a ps3.
I mostly take issue with the smug tone of the article acting like it's over for consoles just because they didn't meet expectations and decided to bring some games to pc. Consoles are still extremely popular and far more powerful than the average pc according to steam hardware survey. They will still be around and successful no doubt about it.
This is a benefit of using PC, not a downside. Unlike consoles, you aren't forced to upgrade every few years and you actually have the ability to change graphics settings. Even if you want to upgrade your PC, you don't need to get an entirely new build.
That's also missing the fact that plenty of people don't need or want to play the latest AAA title.
I agree with you here. These articles are stupid telling people it would be over for consoles. It's just clickbait or they are uninformed. Maybe besides your point that the "average pc" is that weak as you say. Most are at a level of PS4 or stronger. But that is not all you need to compare if you want to an analysis. This topic is extremely complicated. You can't just take the average. There are far more PC users than console players. Its like taking the Game Boy into account and saying that the average game consoles is weak. That's not the full story.
In example most monthly active users on consoles play games that could be played on a potato PC or last gen consoles too and these people probably do not buy newest games. Similar to the situation on PC.
Some things to say back to this:
Most people now have the console they prefer, and it’s lasting them. They don’t necessarily need new consoles. This is true EVEN if that console is a PS4, Xbox One, or Switch. They don’t get everything, but a surprising number of major releases still come to all those destinations.
It’s still nicely convenient to have consoles for less setup and configuration. Some people manage really complex problems for their work and home projects already - a desktop computer may be beyond their tolerance.
I'm not sure about this analysis of the Switch's success. The "lawsuit" argument is pretty irrelevant; the console would sell regardless of whether emulation existed (as it has, for most of the big titles and for much of the console's life). I think the "one-of-a-kind" argument is accurate, but I'd also suggest that the very wide library of games is a major reason why Nintendo has performed so well in this generation. The Switch appeals to almost every single type of gamer - there is so much variety there. Additionally, the portability is clear point of difference: for many, the Switch is more like a handheld that they can occasionally play on the TV, rather than a traditional home console. And finally, the Switch is just a more affordable option and that has mattered a lot since 2020.
I’ve never been into this pc vs console cringe fest of an argument. I’ve always been a pc gamer, but guess what, some exclusives only come to consoles. If I want to play that exclusive enough and I have expendable cash, I’ll buy it. I still prefer to play on pc over any of the consoles, but a ps5 is a solid system.
I haven't had a gaming-capable PC for about a decade and I'm very happy with my PS5 (and the PS4 before it). Sony bringing exclusives to PC don't feel like the end times as it's just a way for them to make more money.
I'm genuinely glad that PC players will get to experience some of the great games that have been on the PS5 in the last few years.
It's literally brave of you to come to this community and this thread and say that you love your console. And then to express positivity for PC users! You are exactly what we need more of in gaming.
Consoles have just been proprietary PCs since the Xbox 360. It's a wonder they've lasted this long.
Still crossing my fingers and waiting for Steam Machines 😔
If you have Steam on your pc, you have a steam machine. Plug it into your tv if you want a bigger screen experience
You obviously don't understand what those words mean.
I have a Steam Machine. But many many more would have them if Valve sold them directly.
What is the difference? You can buy a smaller PC, install Bazzite OS on it and plug it into your tv. Voila, you now have a steam console. Quite literally. lol
All of that can be done on what I suggested.
No, what you suggested was:
That's what a "steam machine" is, though. lol
That's not what it is though LOL
I've already explained to you what it is LOL
I own a PS5 and only play Don't Starve together because they only enable couch coop on console. Bullshit lazy PC devs.
If I'm ever getting a PS, then it's only because of Don't Starve split screen gaming.
Some of us are not PC gamers and have no desire to be. I prefer consoles and will always do, though I miss the simple -no-install required- consoles of yesteryear.
Going back awhile now too for that no install right? Like didn't PS3 have some installs? My memory is fuzzy on when it exactly started, but yeah it was nice to just pop in the media (cart, disc) and play. That was a great perk of console games, especially rentals,though there was a small time I could rent PC games when I moved to a city in the late 90s. These days I mostly play on PC anyways so always install but it was nice for the first few decades of my gaming to not require it.
the real problem for me was paying toplay online games and having no way to install games but the ps store
Can count on one hand the number of times the xbox was even powered on. The ps4 gets more time but my pc is my main platform.
Consoles are great if you want the same thing you can get on your computer but with worse graphics, shittier framerate, and a terrible device for input.
true, but try making a half decent PC for the price of one console
Speak for yourself I use both controllers and kbm for my PC games. The input method isn't really worth crying over.
Hey come on now that's not fair, at least the games are way more expensive and you have a fraction of the selection to choose from