What irks me most is the kids content. That should have been a separate site altogether and it's ridiculous that 'non-kids' content gets more strictly regulated for fear they might hear a swear word. Especially considering how much weird shit gets pushed at kids intentionally that youtube doesn't appear to care about (looking at you elsa-gate).
Elsa gate is why stuff gets restricted so aggressively nowadays.
What is Elsa gate?
You can go too deep on this one and find people who probably think it's a conspiracy or something lol, but the gist is that YouTube used to recommend very very odd videos to kids. People picked up on this and made odd videos. It became like a feedback loop I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsagate I just found the Wikipedia article and I think it does a good job of giving facts about it.
Edit: What I mean by think it is a conspiracy is that you might find people who think it was some sort of orchestrated act to influence children. This was around the time of the pizza gate stuff for contex. I phrased that poorly. I meant people probably have conspiracy theories about the why part of it happening, but it was actually a thing that happened.
Used to recommend?
They are still super weird recommendations for kods. We had to take tablet away from my daughter because allowed shows like sheriff labradore are about constant kidnappings, other shows like about children dying from hunger in the woods and other ones I've seen about giving birth. All observed just this year.
I also didnt like English language muslim religious show that automatically popped up. Like wth bruh
I meant the Spider-Man and Elsa ones specifically. Do those still get recommended often? I don't have any friends with Children around the age they'd be watching YouTube Kids so I may be out of the loop.
some weird algorithmic videos people posted because kids would lap that shit up, like pregnant spiderman shit.
Also videos that weren't intended for kids but superficially looked like they were got involuntarily flagged as such and had their comments removed.
A separate site would have been a much better solution.
fucking hate that shit, i came to this episode of a tv show i used to watch so i could TALK ABOUT IT IN THE COMMENTS
The regulation is never meant to "protect" kids. It's the advertisers, it's always and only the advertisers.
No demonetisation? The REAL old YouTube didn't have monetization to begin with!
Even then they posted videos online to show otherrs
I wish we had YouTube alternatives other than just political ones (rumble)
I recently heard of odysee and was surprised to find out that some big channels like Veritasium or Fireship seem to already be on there
But it's owned by google
@humble_pete_digger@Nito Odysee isn't owned by Google. It is one of a number of block-chained based de-centralized video sharing platforms utilizing the LBRY network.
The only way we'll get Peertube mass-adopted is by monetizing is it
P.S monetisation != ads
At least integrating PeerTube with something like LiberaPay or Open Collective would help somewhat with creator monetization. The platform itself still needs to make money somehow, which is pretty complicated with large video files and many concurrent streams in high resolution and bitrate. I think PeerTube shouldn't try to hide the fact that it's based on the BitTorrent protocol, maybe that way more people would download torrent files for videos and seed them on their servers or personal machines using a simple torrent client, instead of requiring them to spin up a full PeerTube instance and setting up federation.
What PeerTube is BT based 😮 Based on what you are saying, can you just seed the normal torrent files to help, or would one need their own PT instance?
What PeerTube is BT based
Yes it is. But it seems like they try to hide it from the user for some reason. This is the process for getting a .torrent file from PeerTube. When on the video page, click on the three dots, then click on Download and select torrent file instead of direct download. You'll get a download link like this: https://tilvids.com/download/torrents/3869f4ed-ba37-42a9-9876-22ed8f364a9a-1080-hls.torrent
I think they should make the torrent option much more prominent, and also add support for Magnet links, which are easier and more convenient to share than .torrent files.
can you just seed the normal torrent files to help
As far as I know, yes.
When you watch a video using the PeerTube web UI, you can see the number of peers in the bottom right corner, next to the fullscreen button. If you hover over it, you see how much you streamed from the PeerTube server, and how much from peers. Apparently the PeerTube web UI also acts as a torrent seed (presumably using WebTorrent), but it never worked for me (probably because my browser is always behind a VPN).
Unfortunately WebTorrent isn't compatible with normal BitTorrent, so unless you're using a client that specifically supports it, you're not helping out any PeerTube clients
Oh I didn't realize that it's a different protocol. I thought WebTorrent was just an implementation of BT that could run in the browser. PeerTube uses normal BitTorrent though.
You can't do normal BitTorrent in browsers, there's no support for plain sockets that you'd need to communicate with other peers, WebTorrent is technically a new protocol that implements the BT semantics over stuff the browsers do provide (So you can proxy between the different swarms, that's the "hybrid" nodes in the image on the WebTorrent page)
But it turns out it's all a moot point, since PeerTube removed WebTorrent support anyway in favour of their own P2P system
Edit: Ok so I misunderstood, and it seems like it's a bit complicated. The server can (it's disabled by default) use WebTorrent to import videos, the client still uses the WT trackers to find peers but uses a different protocol to actually share the video data.
There's this tool that provides the ability to automatically seed videos, but development has stalled because no up to date client will ever make use of it.
I think the one remaining use is the "download as torrent" option, but even then that's just using a web seed, so it's just an alternative way to download the video.
All of this is really confusing, because PeerTube lets you download .torrent files, but the torrent client needs to support WebTorrent.
Ig that's why Content moderation in peertube is harder and just deleting videos cant be garunteed
Or maybe making it stable with easy content discovery. Right now it is impossible to find content on it and a lot of the content is low quality to begin with.
I weirdly get some videos recommended to my by very small channels (like 30-60 views per video). I asked several people around me but none of them seem to be getting that kind of recommendations.
I kind of like getting those recommendations its usually either a fairly normal person or the most unhinged shit.
A while back YT rejigged it's algorithm to give weight to channels with small subscriber amounts
I get the same for like half a year, recently I get live streams with about 5 viewers recommended.
While I feel like recommendations got a bit better in the last two years they are still nowhere near where they've been 10 years ago.
Been catching a LOT of those watching shorts, been digging it.
Same, on desktop at least, even though I often klick the no fuck you button
I do, but have set ReVanced to filter those suggestions out.
I get them too. It's quitr refreshing to see some low subscriber ytbers
it recommends things that you'd watch, here's some videos from my recommendations:
are you only looking for videos via the trending tab?
though most of the other points are valid, I just wanted to point this one out because it seems obviously wrong, I remember that I used to never see low-view videos when I first used youtube
::: spoiler some of the points I agree with, I am not a youtube shill
shorts should never have been added, it is obvious that youtube was just chasing trends again when it was added
no dislikes: youtube removes a good feature for no (good) reason (their ego); they did the same for:
community captions, making disabled viewers stuck with the shitty auto-generated captions while youtube partnered with captioning companies so that they could sell youtubers captioning services
new annotations, followed by removing the old ones after telling people that they would not be deleted
demonetizing youtubers for swearing, this is likely a reaction to the repeated elsagate scandals, where ad companies pulled their ads, hurting youtube's revenue, (and therefore causing less money towards creators) in my opinion this is likely youtube trying to keep up a facade towards ad companies despite:
not being able to solve the many elsagate videos that continue to exist on their platform, especially in languages other than english
:::
My only problem with this is that YT Shorts aren't a shitty TikTok clone because TikTok was the worst possible version of Vines.
TikTok was malice incarnate. It was made to be a weapon.
Was it?
Why else would the Chinese government want to run a US social media site?
Money?
@deegeese@TheDarksteel94 you understand it was a Chinese site first, right, and that Americans decided to use it? The Chinese government owns 50% of every company in China, that's "Communism with Chinese characteristics"
that's “State capitalism with Chinese characteristics”
FTFY
@piccolo well sure, but "Communism with Chinese characteristics" is a line that the CCP has used to control the working class in mainland China for decades.
Youtube has been recommending me some videos with small amounts of views lately so that might have changed something with the algorithm
Yeah I keep seeing recomended vids with under 1000 views
if this meme didn't mention tiktok i would guess it was from 2017. who even talks about elsagate anymore?
also anecdotal but personally i would say the visibility of small channels have gone way up these past few years. the amount of videos with very low view counts i see in my feed has gone from basically non existent to half of my recommendations.
I mean I talk about it every now and then, my kid was being shown those videos when they were young. I keep YouTube off any TV's or the kids tablets because YouTube was so irresponsible. For all Disney's and Netflix's faults I'd much rather the kids watch something that's been at least better curated than whatever the hell YouTube kids is.
Don't forget that half of old youtube was rickrolling
I like that LLMs are now rick rolling people. There have been cases where it replies with a link to the video
The YouTube kids app is so incredibly useless in order to comply with government regulations that all our kids use our accounts. Which also sucks.
How do you monitor your kids online? 😥 /genq
@P4ulin_Kbana I'm a good parent. The kids are with us all the time, if they were doing something they weren't supposed to I'd know. Honestly, I tink I'd rather they be doing something nuferious than watching annoying kids videos, alas they prefer to watch the later too often watching other kids play scream and play with toys that we already bought that they never play with.
When being a youtuber became a job rather than a hobby
Tobuscus
"Makes shitty tiktok clone" its the other way round
Guessing by kids we're talking about young children and not teenagers because old YouTube was practically made for teenagers. The more popular layouts people used back then often had the same aesthetic as myspace pages. There was more gaming content on the site than anything else, followed by viral vids (=3).
There's a lot to dislike about the modern structure of the platform but as a grown adult I appreciate that there's a much larger variety of content now which was essentially what the shift in design was supposed to achieve.
Lololol the videos are slop.
👌👍 Meanwhile screeching because of ads and I have to pay.
If that ain't a deep rooted addiction I don't know what one is lololol
Meanwhile in this thread discussion on how to steal shitty forgettable content via peer tube. Copium is real folks.
Elsewhere on Reddit/Lemmy, nerds screeching about how big tech acts as loss leaders to stifle the marketplace.
It must be an AI. One which does not know what peertube is. No human could be that stupid.
👌👍 Meanwhile screeching because of ads and I have to pay.
And what the hell is this line? Is this supposed to be English?
A typo? You've never run into one?
Whoever designed whatever the fuck you're supposed to be forgot how English grammar works, I suspect.
I'll let your leash-holder figure it out.
I guess you haven't, I'll explain.
See a typo is when someone hits one set of keys (or in this instance Swype keyboard) incorrectly.
You are how that works?
Well you didn't write a typo, so why the fuck are you talking about them?
Oh okay 🤷♂️ guess I'm confused about my typing. You know best!
"Everything I disagree with is an AI" - peak Lemmy.
If you're going to name it "IsThisAnAI" you might want to program it with a better response to suggestions that it might be an AI.
"Blah blah blah blah blah. I can't attack the argument so I'm going to mouth off."
Yes, that is what you did when you dodged the whole peertube thing
I have to defend my knowledge of peertube? What would you like to know? You didn't seem to actually ask any questions, just attack. Can you point out what you're speaking to?
Well I'm waiting, are you going to point out what your taking about or what I didn't know? Or just going to quietly fade into the background because you really had no basis and decided to sling shit like an untrained monkey?
What irks me most is the kids content. That should have been a separate site altogether and it's ridiculous that 'non-kids' content gets more strictly regulated for fear they might hear a swear word. Especially considering how much weird shit gets pushed at kids intentionally that youtube doesn't appear to care about (looking at you elsa-gate).
Elsa gate is why stuff gets restricted so aggressively nowadays.
What is Elsa gate?
You can go too deep on this one and find people who probably think it's a conspiracy or something lol, but the gist is that YouTube used to recommend very very odd videos to kids. People picked up on this and made odd videos. It became like a feedback loop I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsagate I just found the Wikipedia article and I think it does a good job of giving facts about it.
Edit: What I mean by think it is a conspiracy is that you might find people who think it was some sort of orchestrated act to influence children. This was around the time of the pizza gate stuff for contex. I phrased that poorly. I meant people probably have conspiracy theories about the why part of it happening, but it was actually a thing that happened.
Used to recommend?
They are still super weird recommendations for kods. We had to take tablet away from my daughter because allowed shows like sheriff labradore are about constant kidnappings, other shows like about children dying from hunger in the woods and other ones I've seen about giving birth. All observed just this year.
I also didnt like English language muslim religious show that automatically popped up. Like wth bruh
I meant the Spider-Man and Elsa ones specifically. Do those still get recommended often? I don't have any friends with Children around the age they'd be watching YouTube Kids so I may be out of the loop.
some weird algorithmic videos people posted because kids would lap that shit up, like pregnant spiderman shit.
Also videos that weren't intended for kids but superficially looked like they were got involuntarily flagged as such and had their comments removed.
A separate site would have been a much better solution.
fucking hate that shit, i came to this episode of a tv show i used to watch so i could TALK ABOUT IT IN THE COMMENTS
The regulation is never meant to "protect" kids. It's the advertisers, it's always and only the advertisers.
No demonetisation? The REAL old YouTube didn't have monetization to begin with!
Even then they posted videos online to show otherrs
I wish we had YouTube alternatives other than just political ones (rumble)
I recently heard of odysee and was surprised to find out that some big channels like Veritasium or Fireship seem to already be on there
But it's owned by google
@humble_pete_digger @Nito Odysee isn't owned by Google. It is one of a number of block-chained based de-centralized video sharing platforms utilizing the LBRY network.
Floatplane?
@humble_pete_digger @Tja #Peertube
The only way we'll get Peertube mass-adopted is by monetizing is it
P.S monetisation != ads
At least integrating PeerTube with something like LiberaPay or Open Collective would help somewhat with creator monetization. The platform itself still needs to make money somehow, which is pretty complicated with large video files and many concurrent streams in high resolution and bitrate. I think PeerTube shouldn't try to hide the fact that it's based on the BitTorrent protocol, maybe that way more people would download torrent files for videos and seed them on their servers or personal machines using a simple torrent client, instead of requiring them to spin up a full PeerTube instance and setting up federation.
What PeerTube is BT based 😮 Based on what you are saying, can you just seed the normal torrent files to help, or would one need their own PT instance?
Yes it is. But it seems like they try to hide it from the user for some reason. This is the process for getting a .torrent file from PeerTube. When on the video page, click on the three dots, then click on Download and select torrent file instead of direct download. You'll get a download link like this: https://tilvids.com/download/torrents/3869f4ed-ba37-42a9-9876-22ed8f364a9a-1080-hls.torrent
This is the torrent for this video btw: https://tilvids.com/w/dAeCyhu6MArtNvm6iCQD9D
I think they should make the torrent option much more prominent, and also add support for Magnet links, which are easier and more convenient to share than .torrent files.
As far as I know, yes.
When you watch a video using the PeerTube web UI, you can see the number of peers in the bottom right corner, next to the fullscreen button. If you hover over it, you see how much you streamed from the PeerTube server, and how much from peers. Apparently the PeerTube web UI also acts as a torrent seed
(presumably using WebTorrent), but it never worked for me (probably because my browser is always behind a VPN).Unfortunately WebTorrent isn't compatible with normal BitTorrent, so unless you're using a client that specifically supports it, you're not helping out any PeerTube clients
Oh I didn't realize that it's a different protocol. I thought WebTorrent was just an implementation of BT that could run in the browser. PeerTube uses normal BitTorrent though.
You can't do normal BitTorrent in browsers, there's no support for plain sockets that you'd need to communicate with other peers, WebTorrent is technically a new protocol that implements the BT semantics over stuff the browsers do provide (So you can proxy between the different swarms, that's the "hybrid" nodes in the image on the WebTorrent page)
But it turns out it's all a moot point, since PeerTube removed WebTorrent support anyway in favour of their own P2P system
Edit: Ok so I misunderstood, and it seems like it's a bit complicated. The server can (it's disabled by default) use WebTorrent to import videos, the client still uses the WT trackers to find peers but uses a different protocol to actually share the video data.
There's this tool that provides the ability to automatically seed videos, but development has stalled because no up to date client will ever make use of it.
I think the one remaining use is the "download as torrent" option, but even then that's just using a web seed, so it's just an alternative way to download the video.
All of this is really confusing, because PeerTube lets you download .torrent files, but the torrent client needs to support WebTorrent.
Ig that's why Content moderation in peertube is harder and just deleting videos cant be garunteed
Or maybe making it stable with easy content discovery. Right now it is impossible to find content on it and a lot of the content is low quality to begin with.
I weirdly get some videos recommended to my by very small channels (like 30-60 views per video). I asked several people around me but none of them seem to be getting that kind of recommendations.
I kind of like getting those recommendations its usually either a fairly normal person or the most unhinged shit.
A while back YT rejigged it's algorithm to give weight to channels with small subscriber amounts
I get the same for like half a year, recently I get live streams with about 5 viewers recommended.
While I feel like recommendations got a bit better in the last two years they are still nowhere near where they've been 10 years ago.
Been catching a LOT of those watching shorts, been digging it.
Same, on desktop at least, even though I often klick the no fuck you button
I do, but have set ReVanced to filter those suggestions out.
I get them too. It's quitr refreshing to see some low subscriber ytbers
it recommends things that you'd watch, here's some videos from my recommendations:
are you only looking for videos via the trending tab?
though most of the other points are valid, I just wanted to point this one out because it seems obviously wrong, I remember that I used to never see low-view videos when I first used youtube
::: spoiler some of the points I agree with, I am not a youtube shill
My only problem with this is that YT Shorts aren't a shitty TikTok clone because TikTok was the worst possible version of Vines.
TikTok was malice incarnate. It was made to be a weapon.
Was it?
Why else would the Chinese government want to run a US social media site?
Money?
@deegeese @TheDarksteel94 you understand it was a Chinese site first, right, and that Americans decided to use it? The Chinese government owns 50% of every company in China, that's "Communism with Chinese characteristics"
FTFY
@piccolo well sure, but "Communism with Chinese characteristics" is a line that the CCP has used to control the working class in mainland China for decades.
Youtube has been recommending me some videos with small amounts of views lately so that might have changed something with the algorithm
Yeah I keep seeing recomended vids with under 1000 views
if this meme didn't mention tiktok i would guess it was from 2017. who even talks about elsagate anymore?
also anecdotal but personally i would say the visibility of small channels have gone way up these past few years. the amount of videos with very low view counts i see in my feed has gone from basically non existent to half of my recommendations.
I mean I talk about it every now and then, my kid was being shown those videos when they were young. I keep YouTube off any TV's or the kids tablets because YouTube was so irresponsible. For all Disney's and Netflix's faults I'd much rather the kids watch something that's been at least better curated than whatever the hell YouTube kids is.
Don't forget that half of old youtube was rickrolling
I like that LLMs are now rick rolling people. There have been cases where it replies with a link to the video
The YouTube kids app is so incredibly useless in order to comply with government regulations that all our kids use our accounts. Which also sucks.
How do you monitor your kids online? 😥 /genq
@P4ulin_Kbana I'm a good parent. The kids are with us all the time, if they were doing something they weren't supposed to I'd know. Honestly, I tink I'd rather they be doing something nuferious than watching annoying kids videos, alas they prefer to watch the later too often watching other kids play scream and play with toys that we already bought that they never play with.
When being a youtuber became a job rather than a hobby
Tobuscus
"Makes shitty tiktok clone" its the other way round
Guessing by kids we're talking about young children and not teenagers because old YouTube was practically made for teenagers. The more popular layouts people used back then often had the same aesthetic as myspace pages. There was more gaming content on the site than anything else, followed by viral vids (=3).
There's a lot to dislike about the modern structure of the platform but as a grown adult I appreciate that there's a much larger variety of content now which was essentially what the shift in design was supposed to achieve.
Lololol the videos are slop.
👌👍 Meanwhile screeching because of ads and I have to pay.
If that ain't a deep rooted addiction I don't know what one is lololol
Meanwhile in this thread discussion on how to steal shitty forgettable content via peer tube. Copium is real folks.
Elsewhere on Reddit/Lemmy, nerds screeching about how big tech acts as loss leaders to stifle the marketplace.
It must be an AI. One which does not know what peertube is. No human could be that stupid.
And what the hell is this line? Is this supposed to be English?
A typo? You've never run into one?
Whoever designed whatever the fuck you're supposed to be forgot how English grammar works, I suspect.
I'll let your leash-holder figure it out.
I guess you haven't, I'll explain.
See a typo is when someone hits one set of keys (or in this instance Swype keyboard) incorrectly.
You are how that works?
Well you didn't write a typo, so why the fuck are you talking about them?
Oh okay 🤷♂️ guess I'm confused about my typing. You know best!
"Everything I disagree with is an AI" - peak Lemmy.
If you're going to name it "IsThisAnAI" you might want to program it with a better response to suggestions that it might be an AI.
"Blah blah blah blah blah. I can't attack the argument so I'm going to mouth off."
Yes, that is what you did when you dodged the whole peertube thing
I have to defend my knowledge of peertube? What would you like to know? You didn't seem to actually ask any questions, just attack. Can you point out what you're speaking to?
Well I'm waiting, are you going to point out what your taking about or what I didn't know? Or just going to quietly fade into the background because you really had no basis and decided to sling shit like an untrained monkey?