Wish we actually covered crime better in the news. The public perception of crime rates has been out of sync with actual crime rates for decades, largely due to how crime is portrayed in the media
Or another interesting thing is how people are more likely to think that crime is up in the US overall, but not as much when they look at where they live
It makes no sense for Democrats to capitulate to Right Wing Framing on immigration, the idea that immigrants are bringing in crime and drugs are straight up lies. I don't know why they are, the Pro-immigration messaging in 2016 was popular too
People love clicking on crime articles and the news organizations are well aware of that. I noticed my mood changed a bit since leaving reddit, my local regional sub must have been half crime posts.
Ha! Got ya liberal!
Your fancy chart just shows its bias! "Violent crimes per 1000 people ages 12 and older!"
They just soooo happened to keep the most violent ones out of the data! 5-8 year olds! Propaganda and lies!
:P
I was checking out Kurzweil's latest book and he made a decent point about how good news tends to get overlooked. For specific examples, he was talking about how not only is violent crime trending down, so has property crime.
There's a few factors. The news reports more events from further away, so there's always crime to report on. Stats mostly focus on violent crime, someone breaking the window of every car on a street isn't violent crime. Smaller property crimes only get reported if the police know about them, less people are contacting the police because they won't respond anyway. Drug use leaves a bigger impression than the actual crime, it doesn't take many people to litter an area with needles or other paraphernalia.
People also remember negative events more, you remember replacing your catalytic converter a lot more than all the days you didn't have to replace it
violent crime did actually go up in the pandemic so this is a lil out of date
no, it did not. the initial lockdown at the beginning lowered violent crime a great deal, and the rate rose back up after lockdowns were lifted, but still not to the rate from before the pandemic. this isn't out of date; you're remembering media reports and propagandists online intentionally misrepresenting this data by only looking at during lockdown and just after, pretending lockdowns and mask mandates and other covid response measures as causing crime.
This article has a lot of insight. One thing that stood out what that the methodology changed in 2021 and was retroactively applied to the 2020 data.
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In early October 2022, the FBI released its long-awaited compilation of 2021 crime data. But this data differed sharply in content and quality from previous years due to a transition in the way the government collects crime data. Specifically, 2021 was the first year to rely exclusively on a recently updated system for tracking crime data, the National Incident-Based Reporting System. Many agencies were not able to transition to the new format in time. As a result, the bureau received full-year reports from agencies covering just half of the country’s population. By comparison, earlier reports included a full year of data from agencies covering roughly 95 percent of the population.
To fill these gaps, the FBI’s report on national crime trends relied heavily on estimates. The agency estimated crime trends for 2021 based on the data it had available. Then it went back to 2020 and applied that same estimating methodology as if that year’s data had been similarly incomplete. In doing so, the bureau aimed to create an appropriate “apples to apples” comparison, despite the differences in data quality. The FBI also used upper- and lower-bound estimates given the uncertainty about the agency’s conclusions, estimates we represent as a rough margin of error.
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Yes but not as much as people would think and it's now gone down to about the same levels before the pandemic
This is very obviously Democrat statistics that the FBI released to help Harris' campaign. And the deep state communist liberals slacking off and not murdering enough. /s
Orange man tell true true
Where's that "Joe Biden did this" sticker?
::: spoiler Ah, here we go:
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I had to laugh about how quickly those disappeared when gas prices went back down. I was at one gas station where someone had desperately tried to scratch it off - after it had been there for some time. I'm assuming that since no one touched it when gas prices were hitting a high in their cycle, the person that tried to scratch it off now that they were low was someone suffering BDS.
Say...where are all the doom n' gloom people, anyway? Inflation - down. Border crossings - down. Crime is down. Gas prices down. Oil extraction is way up, the stock market is hitting all-time-highs. Interest rates were just cut.
I thought life under Biden was supposed to be some kind of miserable hellscape?
But but but the immigrants!!!
They took our pets!
Yeah! What about pet murder? What are the stats on pet murder?!
Er, well, a lot of dogs get shot, but not by immigrants.
That's how those furries get those costumes!
Thanks, Brandon.
OMG, this is FAYK NOOOOZ!!!! /s
Except for a small (local) uptick in 2020 or so, haven't they been trending downwards for decades?
Fake news is exactly what the Magoos will be saying... They'll just make up some absolute nonsense to dismiss it like "they removed tracking violence in Mexico City and Venezuela from the US statistics to make it look better for the election!!"
Have you looked at the price of ammo lately?!?
We're going to have to start using the English Method, like goddamn cavemen.
Trump will reverse it, DON'T LET HIM WIN!
Okay, folks, listen, listen, it’s, it’s very simple, okay? People are talking, they're saying, 'Mr. Trump, the murder rate, it's too low, it’s not what it used to be.' And you know what? I agree. We used to have, back in the day — oh, the 70s, maybe the 80s, beautiful times, really tremendous times — we had so much, so much happening, people, and now… now, it's just… nothing! Boring! What happened? Where did the murders go? I don’t know. Nobody knows. But when I'm elected, folks, let me tell you, we’re gonna bring them back. Big time.
Now, now, people say, 'Oh, Mr. Trump, why do you want more murders?' And let me tell you something: it's about jobs, okay? People don't think about that. Murders? They need investigation. Cops? Gotta hire more cops. Jobs! Economy! It's all connected, folks. Big brain stuff. Nobody thinks like me. And, and the murderers, some of them, very fine people, they need work too. They’re out of work. We’re gonna put 'em back in business, folks. You’ll see.
So vote for me, we’re gonna do some, some tremendous things. More murders, more greatness, everyone wins. Except the people who get, uh, you know, but that’s okay, that’s okay. It'll be, um, it'll be something.
So when you go to vote, remember: a vote for me is a vote for… well, let’s just say you’ll want to lock your doors. But it’ll be huge.
Thank you, good night, and God bless hamburgers!
6/10, points lost because I was still able to follow the thread
There should have been something about crowd sizes, electrocution vs. sharks, and how windmills cause cancer...
Yeah they didn't do "the weave" but that's okay most of us lack the brain power to do so
Reports of a masked vigilante striking terror into the hearts of evildoers are completely fabricated. The reduced crime is the results of President Biden's sound policies, this so called "Batman" doesn't even exist
Shouldn't population statistics like this have an adjustment for population growth, like inflation for economic figures? Still a decline. Also would mean that the non-violent numbers like theft have grown even more.
Not sure what you're saying here since that would make the drop larger? The US population is still growing. The US population grew by an estimated ~0.5-0.6% between 2022-2023 and another ~0.5-0.6% between 2023-2024 (the two periods mentioned in the article)
If a stat is X per 100,000 citizens for 20 years ago and then X per 100,000 last year, last year would be greater overall if the population grew. Comparing two recent numbers the error becomes less important, I'm more talking about the headline looking back.
They aren't comparing directly to 20 years ago, they are comparing the delta between years. Saying that it's the largest drop between two consecutive years when you look at the past 2 decades
Corporate news acting like they've played no role in people's inaccurate perception of violent crime rates lol
Fake crimes like pet abduction/consumption are way way up, though.
Ban assault weapons and check again!
Whew, guess they haven’t found the bodies yet.
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Wish we actually covered crime better in the news. The public perception of crime rates has been out of sync with actual crime rates for decades, largely due to how crime is portrayed in the media
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/11/16/voters-perceptions-of-crime-continue-to-conflict-with-reality/
Or another interesting thing is how people are more likely to think that crime is up in the US overall, but not as much when they look at where they live
https://news.gallup.com/poll/323996/perceptions-increased-crime-highest-1993.aspx
It makes no sense for Democrats to capitulate to Right Wing Framing on immigration, the idea that immigrants are bringing in crime and drugs are straight up lies. I don't know why they are, the Pro-immigration messaging in 2016 was popular too
People love clicking on crime articles and the news organizations are well aware of that. I noticed my mood changed a bit since leaving reddit, my local regional sub must have been half crime posts.
Ha! Got ya liberal!
Your fancy chart just shows its bias! "Violent crimes per 1000 people ages 12 and older!"
They just soooo happened to keep the most violent ones out of the data! 5-8 year olds! Propaganda and lies!
:P
I was checking out Kurzweil's latest book and he made a decent point about how good news tends to get overlooked. For specific examples, he was talking about how not only is violent crime trending down, so has property crime.
There's a few factors. The news reports more events from further away, so there's always crime to report on. Stats mostly focus on violent crime, someone breaking the window of every car on a street isn't violent crime. Smaller property crimes only get reported if the police know about them, less people are contacting the police because they won't respond anyway. Drug use leaves a bigger impression than the actual crime, it doesn't take many people to litter an area with needles or other paraphernalia.
People also remember negative events more, you remember replacing your catalytic converter a lot more than all the days you didn't have to replace it
violent crime did actually go up in the pandemic so this is a lil out of date
no, it did not. the initial lockdown at the beginning lowered violent crime a great deal, and the rate rose back up after lockdowns were lifted, but still not to the rate from before the pandemic. this isn't out of date; you're remembering media reports and propagandists online intentionally misrepresenting this data by only looking at during lockdown and just after, pretending lockdowns and mask mandates and other covid response measures as causing crime.
Bullshit.
Murders were at a 25 year high in 2021.
https://www.statista.com/chart/31062/us-homicide-rate/
This article has a lot of insight. One thing that stood out what that the methodology changed in 2021 and was retroactively applied to the 2020 data.
::: spoiler Quotes
Yes but not as much as people would think and it's now gone down to about the same levels before the pandemic
This is very obviously Democrat statistics that the FBI released to help Harris' campaign. And the deep state communist liberals slacking off and not murdering enough. /s
Orange man tell true true
Where's that "Joe Biden did this" sticker? ::: spoiler Ah, here we go:
:::
I had to laugh about how quickly those disappeared when gas prices went back down. I was at one gas station where someone had desperately tried to scratch it off - after it had been there for some time. I'm assuming that since no one touched it when gas prices were hitting a high in their cycle, the person that tried to scratch it off now that they were low was someone suffering BDS.
Say...where are all the doom n' gloom people, anyway? Inflation - down. Border crossings - down. Crime is down. Gas prices down. Oil extraction is way up, the stock market is hitting all-time-highs. Interest rates were just cut.
I thought life under Biden was supposed to be some kind of miserable hellscape?
But but but the immigrants!!! They took our pets!
Yeah! What about pet murder? What are the stats on pet murder?!
Er, well, a lot of dogs get shot, but not by immigrants.
That's how those furries get those costumes!
Thanks, Brandon.
OMG, this is FAYK NOOOOZ!!!! /s
Except for a small (local) uptick in 2020 or so, haven't they been trending downwards for decades?
Fake news is exactly what the Magoos will be saying... They'll just make up some absolute nonsense to dismiss it like "they removed tracking violence in Mexico City and Venezuela from the US statistics to make it look better for the election!!"
Have you looked at the price of ammo lately?!?
We're going to have to start using the English Method, like goddamn cavemen.
Trump will reverse it, DON'T LET HIM WIN!
Okay, folks, listen, listen, it’s, it’s very simple, okay? People are talking, they're saying, 'Mr. Trump, the murder rate, it's too low, it’s not what it used to be.' And you know what? I agree. We used to have, back in the day — oh, the 70s, maybe the 80s, beautiful times, really tremendous times — we had so much, so much happening, people, and now… now, it's just… nothing! Boring! What happened? Where did the murders go? I don’t know. Nobody knows. But when I'm elected, folks, let me tell you, we’re gonna bring them back. Big time.
Now, now, people say, 'Oh, Mr. Trump, why do you want more murders?' And let me tell you something: it's about jobs, okay? People don't think about that. Murders? They need investigation. Cops? Gotta hire more cops. Jobs! Economy! It's all connected, folks. Big brain stuff. Nobody thinks like me. And, and the murderers, some of them, very fine people, they need work too. They’re out of work. We’re gonna put 'em back in business, folks. You’ll see.
So vote for me, we’re gonna do some, some tremendous things. More murders, more greatness, everyone wins. Except the people who get, uh, you know, but that’s okay, that’s okay. It'll be, um, it'll be something.
So when you go to vote, remember: a vote for me is a vote for… well, let’s just say you’ll want to lock your doors. But it’ll be huge.
Thank you, good night, and God bless hamburgers!
6/10, points lost because I was still able to follow the thread
There should have been something about crowd sizes, electrocution vs. sharks, and how windmills cause cancer...
Yeah they didn't do "the weave" but that's okay most of us lack the brain power to do so
Reports of a masked vigilante striking terror into the hearts of evildoers are completely fabricated. The reduced crime is the results of President Biden's sound policies, this so called "Batman" doesn't even exist
Shouldn't population statistics like this have an adjustment for population growth, like inflation for economic figures? Still a decline. Also would mean that the non-violent numbers like theft have grown even more.
Not sure what you're saying here since that would make the drop larger? The US population is still growing. The US population grew by an estimated ~0.5-0.6% between 2022-2023 and another ~0.5-0.6% between 2023-2024 (the two periods mentioned in the article)
If a stat is X per 100,000 citizens for 20 years ago and then X per 100,000 last year, last year would be greater overall if the population grew. Comparing two recent numbers the error becomes less important, I'm more talking about the headline looking back.
They aren't comparing directly to 20 years ago, they are comparing the delta between years. Saying that it's the largest drop between two consecutive years when you look at the past 2 decades
Corporate news acting like they've played no role in people's inaccurate perception of violent crime rates lol
Fake crimes like pet abduction/consumption are way way up, though.
Ban assault weapons and check again!
Whew, guess they haven’t found the bodies yet.
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