The sad thing is that if he hadn't drawn the spotlight on the org by getting elected and refusing to divest himself, he would likely still be getting away with it.
Makes you wonder how many people are quietly getting away with it now.
Anyone who has a B in their net worth.
What if my net worth is Broke?
TIL
Quite a lot. David Cay Johnston has a couple of good books on the subject:
Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich--and Cheat Everybody Else
There's a reason Republicans are hell bent on defending the IRS and the only other option isn't putting up much of a fight...
Democrats just increased funding for the IRS. So, yeah they are.
Not going to look up the actual numbers, but...
Dems said we need X billions dollars to fund the IRS.
Dems asked for billions less, got even less passed. Then went back and took billions more from that after it was passed as a "show of good faith" in negations with Republicans. I'm pretty fucking sure that was to get a budget passed, which Surprise! Republicans still didn't pass one.
That's why I said "the only other option isn’t putting up much of a fight…".
By Dems own admission we're not giving them enough, even before it was reduced multiple times.
They already increased it last year and are asking for more:
What's the chances he gets this overturned on appeal? He mean he had bad council. He could use that and get a new trial?
IANAL, but Ineffective Assistance of Counsel is well known to be extremely difficult to pull off, and even more so in civil cases. And, as I understand it, Trump’s sole basis for asserting it would be that the paperwork to receive a jury trial wasn’t filed properly, which resulted in a bench trial. Given that the judge otherwise provided acceptable due process to Mr. Trump, and the case appears to have been decided on clearly established facts and relevant law, I find it hard to believe that an appeal would work here.
Flipping to a different angle: Lawyers constantly fuck up paperwork; if the system allowed paperwork goofs to trigger new trials, it would bog courts down and provide an attack vector for attorneys to take advantage of.
Alex Jones’ lawyer sent his entire phone’s data to the opposing counsel, and he didn’t get a new trial. Now if that’s not a bad lawyer, I don’t know what is.
I doubt trump will get a new trial. I’m not even sure there’s a decent lawyer left in the country that would work that idiot.
Alex Jones’ lawyer
Was that the same one he had when he said the reason he didn't know his own children's ages in a custody hearing was that he ate some chili the night before and it was spicy?
Because no matter how crazy legal cases have gotten, I don't think I'll ever forget that gem
Look up the Twinkie Defense, when you have a moment.
I was thinking them being morons and being fined because they kept using same defense even after judge said to stop.
Oh, I feel pretty confident that any lawyer would say there is less than zero chance of that forming the basis of an IAC claim.
Good I hope they turn Trump Hotel into a homeless shelter.
Also NAL, but iirc part of that claim is that the trial would have gone differently otherwise. And I think we all know there was never any chance of that, except maybe not getting sanctioned.
Regardless, he'll drag it out till well after he has died of old age. The american legal system literally cannot touch anyone with money or power... see Matt Gatez for many many examples.
The sad thing is that if he hadn't drawn the spotlight on the org by getting elected and refusing to divest himself, he would likely still be getting away with it.
Makes you wonder how many people are quietly getting away with it now.
Anyone who has a B in their net worth.
What if my net worth is Broke?
TIL
Quite a lot. David Cay Johnston has a couple of good books on the subject:
Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich--and Cheat Everybody Else
https://a.co/d/ezlWPM9
Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (and Stick You with the Bill)
https://a.co/d/8M5E4Es
The Fine Print: How Big Companies Use "Plain English" to Rob You Blind
https://a.co/d/hKGxR9Q
There's a reason Republicans are hell bent on defending the IRS and the only other option isn't putting up much of a fight...
Democrats just increased funding for the IRS. So, yeah they are.
Not going to look up the actual numbers, but...
Dems said we need X billions dollars to fund the IRS.
Dems asked for billions less, got even less passed. Then went back and took billions more from that after it was passed as a "show of good faith" in negations with Republicans. I'm pretty fucking sure that was to get a budget passed, which Surprise! Republicans still didn't pass one.
That's why I said "the only other option isn’t putting up much of a fight…".
By Dems own admission we're not giving them enough, even before it was reduced multiple times.
They already increased it last year and are asking for more:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/08/06/inflation-reduction-act-irs/
I.... I just explained all that to you...
https://fortune.com/2023/09/07/internal-revenue-service-60-billion-irs-technology-ai/
That's from this month, notice how my link says 60 billion, and yours says 80 billion?
We'll simplify, just ignore the billion part, and the zero as well:
Which number is bigger, 6 or 8?
Don't want to go over your head, but we can reduce by a factor of two as well, 3 and 4. That's a 25% decrease in funding since your article...
I would happily take that timeline over the current one
What's the chances he gets this overturned on appeal? He mean he had bad council. He could use that and get a new trial?
IANAL, but Ineffective Assistance of Counsel is well known to be extremely difficult to pull off, and even more so in civil cases. And, as I understand it, Trump’s sole basis for asserting it would be that the paperwork to receive a jury trial wasn’t filed properly, which resulted in a bench trial. Given that the judge otherwise provided acceptable due process to Mr. Trump, and the case appears to have been decided on clearly established facts and relevant law, I find it hard to believe that an appeal would work here.
Flipping to a different angle: Lawyers constantly fuck up paperwork; if the system allowed paperwork goofs to trigger new trials, it would bog courts down and provide an attack vector for attorneys to take advantage of.
Alex Jones’ lawyer sent his entire phone’s data to the opposing counsel, and he didn’t get a new trial. Now if that’s not a bad lawyer, I don’t know what is.
I doubt trump will get a new trial. I’m not even sure there’s a decent lawyer left in the country that would work that idiot.
Was that the same one he had when he said the reason he didn't know his own children's ages in a custody hearing was that he ate some chili the night before and it was spicy?
Because no matter how crazy legal cases have gotten, I don't think I'll ever forget that gem
Look up the Twinkie Defense, when you have a moment.
Alex Jones still hasnt paid a dime of the 1.5 billion he owes either.. he never will and I doubt trump ever will pay any of these settlements either.
I was thinking them being morons and being fined because they kept using same defense even after judge said to stop.
Oh, I feel pretty confident that any lawyer would say there is less than zero chance of that forming the basis of an IAC claim.
Good I hope they turn Trump Hotel into a homeless shelter.
Also NAL, but iirc part of that claim is that the trial would have gone differently otherwise. And I think we all know there was never any chance of that, except maybe not getting sanctioned.
Regardless, he'll drag it out till well after he has died of old age. The american legal system literally cannot touch anyone with money or power... see Matt Gatez for many many examples.
Even if they do get a settlement, I doubt trump will ever have to pay most of it, just like we dont see Alex Jones paying any of the billion dollars he owes people either. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/alex-jones-bankruptcy.html
With enough money, you can literally plead guilty of raping your 4yo daughter and have no consequences at all.
That would be more able to work if he was a poor person. Instead he's (allegedly) insanely rich, and actively chose poor council
That would be such a beautiful sight.
No paywall: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fideas%2Farchive%2F2023%2F09%2Fjudge-rules-trumps-business-empire-committed-fraud%2F675466%2F
Thank you for this, Space Noodle.
This is going to be my go-to expression of gratitude from now on – “Thank you for this, Space Noodle.“