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And don't let them dictate to us how much is enough
From the article, it sounds like there's been specific legal stuff going on that influenced this:
Newsom’s signature on Thursday reflects the power and influence of labor unions in the nation’s most populous state, which have worked to organize fast food workers in an attempt to improve their wages and working conditions.
It also settles — for now, at least — a fight between labor and business groups over how to regulate the industry. In exchange for higher pay, labor unions have dropped their attempt to make fast food corporations liable for the misdeeds of their independent franchise operators in California, an action that could have upended the business model on which the industry is based. The industry, meanwhile, has agreed to pull a referendum related to worker wages off the 2024 ballot.
So yeah, labor unions bringing cases that could effectively dismantle the corporate/franchisee relationship is a big, big deal to fast food companies, which are generally the most "franchised" types of businesses in the US. Agreeing to higher pay to slow unionization efforts and to outright stop cases that change how the core of their businesses function seems like a smart short-term move on their part.
It would still be better if it was for everyone, but this particularly seems to have some history behind why it happened for just these workers.
If you start at the bottom it will force those above to raise wages in order to compete.
This focus is kinda weird ngl. Why is fast food entertainment being protected and promoted? Let the market crush this shit - we don't need more McDonald's garbage in this world.
Welp, decades of data can tell you that "letting the market crush this shit" ain't working.
You and I have very different definitions on what it means to let the market do it's thing, I think.
You aware how heavily subsidized beef is, for McDonald's sake?
We can raise minimum wages and reduce subsidies. It’s not like it’s one or the other.
We should shift the meat and dairy subsidies into fake/lab meat and oat milk.
I’m from farm country (thankfully no CAFOs, locally) and ngl. While I like oat milk, I love cold, whole dairy milk. As in I live alone and easily drink a gallon or more per week.
At 52 gallons a year you are drinking over 3x the average amount of milk
Probably. It helps stretch the “food.”
One lobby is regular people; the other are billionaires and corporations.
Specifically for McDonald’s?
I don't think your post makes sense.
Fast food is being targeted for not paying their workers a living wage. This is the opposite of protection and promotion.
The government is stepping in because the 'free market' hasn't corrected this and won't correct it.
Am I misunderstanding where you're coming from?
In a way it does protect the market by forcing it competitive. The market definitely has the power to squeeze fast food out of existence.
No federal limit to executive pay and incentives then? Problem not solved but I’m happy some effort was made at the state level
Finally the essential workers get something worth a damn
So McDonald's is pulling out of California now, right?
Since a living wage for fast-food workers is possible in Denmark, I'm sure it's possible in California and the rest of the US.
Don’t be silly. The Crappy Meal probably won’t cost $10 either.
It's almost already at that price for a burger fry and drink
Yeah, I was short on time and money and was shocked at the price of a soda. It hides the chlorine though.
its crazy how unaffordable "affordable" food is getting
Food also deserves quotes. It fills the space and won’t immediately kill your but it’s not food by any stretch.
I'm all for it, but this creates an issue for skilled labor making roughly the same wage.
Basically everyone needs like 100% more money.
Doesn't create an issue, creates an opportunity
"Pay me more or I'll go get a job at a fast food place" is a simple and easy argument for raises at any reasonable place
Or just work a part time gig at McDonald’s for a couple 5 hour shifts a week to supplement your career job.
Makes it pretty appealing to think about flipping some burgers for $20 an hour, $100 a day 2-3 days a week.
Could be an extra $1,000 a month or so for people looking for something to supplement their income.
It disincentivizes gaining a skill, which is bad for society.
It disincentives gaining skills that can only earn less than 40k a year.
You’re looking at this backwards. It essentially would make a business compete with every other minimum wage job if all they’re offering is $20/h. They either raise wages to lure skilled workers, or try to provide some other benefits.
Lol, you're just stupid then, gotcha
Is that what teevee to you?
Real issue that this is not a universal wage increase. I don't get why it is only for "fast food" workers
I don't think it's unskilled labor at all. If anything, your so-called skilled labor is underpaying you then. We shouldn't hold others down.
Basically everyone needs like 100% more money.
Yes. They do. If you're doing something vastly more specialized than making food quickly, you should be paid much more than $20/hour.
And in California, $20/hour still isn't a livable wage.
and of course if every makes 100% more money then the price of everything goes up 100% and we're no better off.
Except for the fact that doesn't actually happen in other parts of the world that increase wages universally. Why would it happen here?
Why not all workers?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Me here, still generally enjoying your comments.
Tree frog complements flying squid, more news at 11
Now BigFig, with weather.
It's fuckin hot!
Thank you!
And don't let them dictate to us how much is enough
From the article, it sounds like there's been specific legal stuff going on that influenced this:
So yeah, labor unions bringing cases that could effectively dismantle the corporate/franchisee relationship is a big, big deal to fast food companies, which are generally the most "franchised" types of businesses in the US. Agreeing to higher pay to slow unionization efforts and to outright stop cases that change how the core of their businesses function seems like a smart short-term move on their part.
It would still be better if it was for everyone, but this particularly seems to have some history behind why it happened for just these workers.
If you start at the bottom it will force those above to raise wages in order to compete.
This focus is kinda weird ngl. Why is fast food entertainment being protected and promoted? Let the market crush this shit - we don't need more McDonald's garbage in this world.
Welp, decades of data can tell you that "letting the market crush this shit" ain't working.
You and I have very different definitions on what it means to let the market do it's thing, I think.
You aware how heavily subsidized beef is, for McDonald's sake?
We can raise minimum wages and reduce subsidies. It’s not like it’s one or the other.
We should shift the meat and dairy subsidies into fake/lab meat and oat milk.
I’m from farm country (thankfully no CAFOs, locally) and ngl. While I like oat milk, I love cold, whole dairy milk. As in I live alone and easily drink a gallon or more per week.
At 52 gallons a year you are drinking over 3x the average amount of milk
Probably. It helps stretch the “food.”
One lobby is regular people; the other are billionaires and corporations.
Specifically for McDonald’s?
I don't think your post makes sense.
Fast food is being targeted for not paying their workers a living wage. This is the opposite of protection and promotion.
The government is stepping in because the 'free market' hasn't corrected this and won't correct it.
Am I misunderstanding where you're coming from?
In a way it does protect the market by forcing it competitive. The market definitely has the power to squeeze fast food out of existence.
No federal limit to executive pay and incentives then? Problem not solved but I’m happy some effort was made at the state level
Finally the essential workers get something worth a damn
So McDonald's is pulling out of California now, right?
Since a living wage for fast-food workers is possible in Denmark, I'm sure it's possible in California and the rest of the US.
Don’t be silly. The Crappy Meal probably won’t cost $10 either.
It's almost already at that price for a burger fry and drink
Yeah, I was short on time and money and was shocked at the price of a soda. It hides the chlorine though.
its crazy how unaffordable "affordable" food is getting
Food also deserves quotes. It fills the space and won’t immediately kill your but it’s not food by any stretch.
I'm all for it, but this creates an issue for skilled labor making roughly the same wage.
Basically everyone needs like 100% more money.
Doesn't create an issue, creates an opportunity
"Pay me more or I'll go get a job at a fast food place" is a simple and easy argument for raises at any reasonable place
Or just work a part time gig at McDonald’s for a couple 5 hour shifts a week to supplement your career job.
Makes it pretty appealing to think about flipping some burgers for $20 an hour, $100 a day 2-3 days a week.
Could be an extra $1,000 a month or so for people looking for something to supplement their income.
It disincentivizes gaining a skill, which is bad for society.
It disincentives gaining skills that can only earn less than 40k a year.
You’re looking at this backwards. It essentially would make a business compete with every other minimum wage job if all they’re offering is $20/h. They either raise wages to lure skilled workers, or try to provide some other benefits.
Lol, you're just stupid then, gotcha
Is that what teevee to you?
Real issue that this is not a universal wage increase. I don't get why it is only for "fast food" workers
I don't think it's unskilled labor at all. If anything, your so-called skilled labor is underpaying you then. We shouldn't hold others down.
Yes. They do. If you're doing something vastly more specialized than making food quickly, you should be paid much more than $20/hour.
And in California, $20/hour still isn't a livable wage.
and of course if every makes 100% more money then the price of everything goes up 100% and we're no better off.
Except for the fact that doesn't actually happen in other parts of the world that increase wages universally. Why would it happen here?