I hope Intel can get a solid foothold between AMD and Nvidia. There really needs to be more fairly priced competition in the GPU market.
intel is making insane Ws with that pricing
It's normal pricing if we go back a few years. The prices of nowadays' cards are going to kill PC gaming if they remain so high.
I'm hoping Intel can really compete with AMD and Nvidia and their high end cards with this sort of pricing. should hopefully bring it back down to reasonable levels
Even if they just carve out the lower end/budget end for themselves, would be a huge W for gaming.
Intel, AMD and Nvidia are for-profit businesses. Their goal is to make money.
Competition is only a good thing, but that's not enough. Seeing the price ranges of AMD and Nvidia - there is no way Intel wouldn't increase prices.
I mean probably in the future, but for now they are trying to capture a new public, with better prices.
Yes, logical step now is to be attractive now to a new customers and that's done by offering a low prices.
That power consumption though... The price difference against the 3050 will be eaten up by the electricity bill really fast
If my math is right, the 50W difference, at my power rate of $0.15/kWh, will take 2666 hours and 40 minutes to make up the $20 difference in price.
In europe that situation will be wildly different. Here in germany you won't get under 0.50$/kWh (edit: more like .30 now) so it's more like 500 to 800 hours
Edit 2: wow, thanks for the hint! I just halved my prices by switching
wait what? i'm paying ~0.30$/kwh at the moment in germany
Dang! I must have missed the prices dropping. I'll change my subscription then i guess
I'm at about 27ct.
Those were last year's prices during the height of the energy crisis. I was paying 0.60€/kWh last year (new contract). I renegotiated this year and got it lowered to about 0.27€/kWh.
Germany is an outlier though. Most of Europe is around 10 cents. Today's price in Finland is <0.5 cents.
True, but that's still on the order of time that you may never reach the price difference in the lifespan of the GPU.
I switched to a half hourly tracker earlier this year. So it's like 10-15p/kWh (and sometimes as low as negative so they pay you to use the electricity) and jumping to 30-40p between 4pm and 7pm.
As someone working from home with pretty much constant electricity use all day, it's saved me tons.
Could you give me a name? Which provider?
Octopus. I think the plan is just called Agile Octopus.
I think the price goes up over winter, so might be worth switching in and out of it depending on the time of year.
I live in a rural part of the US (Which is honestly most of it) and electricity runs about $0.12/kWh. Ya'lls prices are mind blowing. Especially since we heat with electric heat pumps. At those rates my electric bill would be about $625/mo instead of $250/mo.
This would have sold really well if they had the sorcery to have done it during peak covid
Love the pricing! But why do they have to bundle mandatory telemetry in their installer and graphics utility 😭 I would have made the jump for this if they had an option to install drivers only
On the Linux side, you get people installing debug builds of drivers, bisecting to identify which commit broke something, doing apitraces, capturing crash dumps and opening bug reports to submit that stuff to driver devs.
You don't really get that sort of thing on Windows, so the drivers try to do it through telemetry. It's how the devs know which games or hardware configs are crashing and need fixes.
I would if I could.
Because they're new, they really need that telemetry data to improve arc. And they've clearly been using it cause of how much they've improved since launch
Well said. Can't argue with that.
Use Linux?
Simulator gear not compatible ☹️. I use Linux on my laptop though 😁
Damn that's tuff
I'm sitting on an aging GTX 970. In no position to do a full new build but I wonder if it is worth taking a chance on one of these at that price point.
I replaced mine with a 275€ 6650xt about a year ago. Still really happy with the decision.
Like medium 1080p or ultra 1080p?
Yes
Yeah, but how is it for older games? Because last I looked there were games that wouldn't even run on it.
I'd love to see Intel compete properly but AMD/ATI and nVidia have been fixing broken games at the driver level for decades now, and I doubt even Intel can catch up with that.
Old games have always worked if you just use dxvk
Do they have a 1440p card yet?
Isnt that prety much what the 16gb a770 is.
I have a A770 and run 1440p ultra wide. Works great. Very happy with the card, particularly now that you can disable their software stuff.
I dunno, I hadn’t looked into it, but I’ll have a look now
Oh, I wish it was launched a year ago.
When they say energy crisis do they mean we need another million dollar mansion in Hawaii crisis? Or is there a legitimate energy crisis?
I mean, climate change is kind of a global energy crisis. But this is just to buy new mansions and jets.
I hope Intel can get a solid foothold between AMD and Nvidia. There really needs to be more fairly priced competition in the GPU market.
intel is making insane Ws with that pricing
It's normal pricing if we go back a few years. The prices of nowadays' cards are going to kill PC gaming if they remain so high.
I'm hoping Intel can really compete with AMD and Nvidia and their high end cards with this sort of pricing. should hopefully bring it back down to reasonable levels
Even if they just carve out the lower end/budget end for themselves, would be a huge W for gaming.
Intel, AMD and Nvidia are for-profit businesses. Their goal is to make money.
Competition is only a good thing, but that's not enough. Seeing the price ranges of AMD and Nvidia - there is no way Intel wouldn't increase prices.
I mean probably in the future, but for now they are trying to capture a new public, with better prices.
Yes, logical step now is to be attractive now to a new customers and that's done by offering a low prices.
That power consumption though... The price difference against the 3050 will be eaten up by the electricity bill really fast
If my math is right, the 50W difference, at my power rate of $0.15/kWh, will take 2666 hours and 40 minutes to make up the $20 difference in price.
In europe that situation will be wildly different. Here in germany you won't get under 0.50$/kWh (edit: more like .30 now) so it's more like 500 to 800 hours
Edit 2: wow, thanks for the hint! I just halved my prices by switching
wait what? i'm paying ~0.30$/kwh at the moment in germany
Dang! I must have missed the prices dropping. I'll change my subscription then i guess
I'm at about 27ct.
Those were last year's prices during the height of the energy crisis. I was paying 0.60€/kWh last year (new contract). I renegotiated this year and got it lowered to about 0.27€/kWh.
Germany is an outlier though. Most of Europe is around 10 cents. Today's price in Finland is <0.5 cents.
True, but that's still on the order of time that you may never reach the price difference in the lifespan of the GPU.
I switched to a half hourly tracker earlier this year. So it's like 10-15p/kWh (and sometimes as low as negative so they pay you to use the electricity) and jumping to 30-40p between 4pm and 7pm.
As someone working from home with pretty much constant electricity use all day, it's saved me tons.
Could you give me a name? Which provider?
Octopus. I think the plan is just called Agile Octopus.
I think the price goes up over winter, so might be worth switching in and out of it depending on the time of year.
I live in a rural part of the US (Which is honestly most of it) and electricity runs about $0.12/kWh. Ya'lls prices are mind blowing. Especially since we heat with electric heat pumps. At those rates my electric bill would be about $625/mo instead of $250/mo.
That's only one gaming session!
This would have sold really well if they had the sorcery to have done it during peak covid
Love the pricing! But why do they have to bundle mandatory telemetry in their installer and graphics utility 😭 I would have made the jump for this if they had an option to install drivers only
On the Linux side, you get people installing debug builds of drivers, bisecting to identify which commit broke something, doing apitraces, capturing crash dumps and opening bug reports to submit that stuff to driver devs.
You don't really get that sort of thing on Windows, so the drivers try to do it through telemetry. It's how the devs know which games or hardware configs are crashing and need fixes.
I would if I could.
Because they're new, they really need that telemetry data to improve arc. And they've clearly been using it cause of how much they've improved since launch
Well said. Can't argue with that.
Use Linux?
Simulator gear not compatible ☹️. I use Linux on my laptop though 😁
Damn that's tuff
I'm sitting on an aging GTX 970. In no position to do a full new build but I wonder if it is worth taking a chance on one of these at that price point.
I replaced mine with a 275€ 6650xt about a year ago. Still really happy with the decision.
Like medium 1080p or ultra 1080p?
Yes
Yeah, but how is it for older games? Because last I looked there were games that wouldn't even run on it.
I'd love to see Intel compete properly but AMD/ATI and nVidia have been fixing broken games at the driver level for decades now, and I doubt even Intel can catch up with that.
Old games have always worked if you just use dxvk
Do they have a 1440p card yet?
Isnt that prety much what the 16gb a770 is.
I have a A770 and run 1440p ultra wide. Works great. Very happy with the card, particularly now that you can disable their software stuff.
I dunno, I hadn’t looked into it, but I’ll have a look now
Oh, I wish it was launched a year ago.
When they say energy crisis do they mean we need another million dollar mansion in Hawaii crisis? Or is there a legitimate energy crisis?
I mean, climate change is kind of a global energy crisis. But this is just to buy new mansions and jets.