Can you imagine her outrage of anyone said that about any group she is part of? Women. American. Divorced. Military. You name it. “Kill all of them”, “How can you say that, that’s inhumane and you should be locked up in a mental hospital”, but when it’s Palestinians it’s fine I guess.
Imagine thinking a whole group of people- millions of people- deserve to die. I can't even comprehend the thought process there.
The thought of killing millions of people is becoming normalized again.
The more this rhetoric is repeated, the more likely it will occur .... if not in Palestine, then somewhere else.
We aren't evolving at this point ... we're regressing.
Now that everyone who experienced WW2 has gone, the collective memory isn't so strong. Up till a few years ago, you could talk to someone in the family who remembered it.
They only think about it in numbers and them gone.
Why are states wasting time with resolutions for international issues. Stay in your lane.
Why are you diverting attention from the real issue: a fuckin' psychopath calling for mass murder.
Cause more than enough people covered that topic in the comments already.
Because it's all theater. Most of these loonies are extras they just don't know it. It's one giant distraction. A fuckin flea circus. Just make sure you're paying attention so you don't notice your wallet getting lighter or your rights getting smaller.
I agree, ignore all local and state elections.
I wouldn't say ignore them. That is how the loons get their soapbox and make rules that make our lives hell. Remember that it is local government that assists the state government with their gerrymandering and enforcement of abusive laws. Vote for competent, populace-minded local governments and the asshats in the state governments will have more trouble exerting will.
These people live in a bizarre, hate-filled universe.
That and their tribe is all they have.
America*
She said the only part out loud.
This is why I'm not all that concerned in the recent polls that Biden is losing support among Progressives, who tend to be sympathetic to the Palestinians. What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse? If Trump does win, do they really think they would be listened to?
I doubt a single person in Florida who thinks that Biden and the party he leads is not taking their side on this issue would vote for this person instead.
What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse?
What they might do is sit out the election or make a third party protest vote. I am no lover of Biden, but if he's the only viable choice other than Trump, we need him in the office and I'm worried not enough people will realize that.
It’s the same issue Hillary had. Lots of liberals were so fucking tired of the system. They wanted something new. And Hillary was a direct personification of the system; A career politician who had paid her party dues for decades, and felt like the seat had been promised to her. There were a lot of liberals who casted protest votes.
I'll admit I did that. I voted for Bernie in the Primary and then didn't vote in the General. Although I lived in Oklahoma where Trump beat Clinton by 529k votes and hasn't been blue in the last 50 years...
I'd like to think I would have voted for Clinton if my vote counted for anything. If we got rid of the electoral college then I feel like the voting percentage would go up across the country as Republicans in California and Democrats in Alabama would suddenly have a reason to actually vote. I live in Alabama now and it is a STUGGLE to get any of my friends to take the time to go vote.
I hope the ones who did have learned their lesson. When the greater of two evils gets in power, greater evil is done.
Yea I’m sorry I was one of them and therefore helped trump get in. I wanted Bernie, still want Bernie, voted Bernie in protest in ‘16 but did my part voting Biden in ‘20. But until trump is dead and republicans are unable to field someone as rallying to their base, I’m forced to vote democrat to prevent fascism overtaking my nation.
What they might do is sit out the election or make a third party protest vote.
Which, in our current system, also helps Republicans get elected.
That was my point.
I honestly don't care anymore, everything is already fucked. I might start voting the craziest right wingers going forward, bring on the collapse, the Democratic party is just a different sect of rich fucks that do not give one singular fuck about the people they supposedly represent. This whole place is rotten to it's core.
We have no culture beyond consumption and money
Yea that will only cause the death of millions, great idea there mate
Username checks out.
What could go wrong with electing the people who want the opposite things you do?
Electoral nihilism isn't cool or edgy, it's stupid. Things could always get worse, and definitely will if a collapse happens.
Their rhetoric is certainly more openly genocidal, but Biden has done little to nothing to stop this either. He seems to fully support funding genocide.
He uses language that is better, but his actions show no restraint in helping Israel 100%.
In a rare Oval Office speech, the president said, “We reject all forms of hate,” against Muslims, Jews and everyone, as he set the stage for a planned request to Congress for $14 billion in emergency assistance for Israel
This is what leftists are talking about when we say they're not that different. One party has better language sometimes but in reality little ever changes. Both ultimately serve the interests of the rich and the interests of the rich lie in imperialism and exploitation. The existence of Israel in that region benefits them.
But thats really the only line he could take. People talk about the benefits of incumbency when running for office, but incumbency also has a drawback that you need to find solutions to problems, in real-time, with whatever situation is currently going on. His opponents have the luxury of not having to be the one to deal with this problem, right now.
And the fact of the matter is, no matter how heavy handed Israel is being right now, Hamas is showing no signs of letting up. And, no matter what you think about Israel's treatment of Gaza all this time, no one can make an argument that Hamas didn't strike first in this most recent action. If Biden let up on Hamas the way his detractors want, all it does is embolden those who want to use violence to further their extreme politics. (Including the home-grown ones in the US).
no matter what you think about Israel's treatment of Gaza all this time, no one can make an argument that Hamas didn't strike first in this most recent action.
What a pointless, ahistorical line of thought.
Yeah sure if you just ignore everything else and start from that day, they kind of look like the aggressor.
But even then that's not true. "Israel was just peacefully minding its own business, illegally occupying the land they stole when the people they stole it from attacked outta nowhere". Occupation is aggression.
They could choose not to vote at all, which is almost as bad. Or vote for a third party candidate, which is the same thing.
Many people think they're taking a moral stand by sitting out an election because they don't like their party's contender.
Used to listen to a local conservative radio host. Great guy, wouldn't let anyone talk shit if it wasn't true, never pushed any hate, nothing like today's breed.
Lady calls in and says she's refuses to vote McCain for whatever reason. OTOH, she disliked Obama even more. The host was gob smacked.
"You do realize that not voting McCain is next door to voting Obama and you're helping him win? Right? If you don't like Obama, wouldn't it be better to hold your nose and vote McCain?"
"I still won't do it. I have morals."
Supporting Israel in this holocaust is going to cost Biden votes.
This "great guy" was encouraging people to vote for the Republican candidate after eight years of George W. Bush?
Could just stay home. Maybe a bunch of us are tired of voting for people whose only qualifications is they aren't the other person.
But that's entirely my point. These people who are complaining that Biden isn't taking their side are at risk having an administration who considers them all to be terrorists to take over if they sit this one out. I suppose they can take solace in the fact that they stuck to their principles, even if the Trump Administration sends them all to re-education camps.
Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.
Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.
There aren't good options. There's genocide lite and genocide delux.
I will not vote for genocide, and if you vote for genocide you are complicit.
Not acting is still a choice.
It's a choice to not vote for genocide. You can tell yourself pretty lies, but if you vote for Biden you are a genocide supporter.
but if you vote for Biden you are a genocide supporter.
Every time I hear this I have to do some math, play a word puzzle, or some other mental exercise to make sure I don't catch The Stupid. If casting a vote for Biden equals support for genocide, then anything anyone in a civilized society does could be said to be the same. Vote for anyone? The joke's on you, genocide supporter, you helped a different genocide supporter get elected. Do you go to work? You failed again; You're making someone else money so they can vote for a genocide supporter. Do you pay Taxes, you genocide supporterfunder?
Protest votes are for the primary; go ahead and vote for Gandhi McJesus then. The general is the team play. And if you don't vote for the lesser of two evils you're helping the larger evil get elected, you genocide supporter, it just lets you smugly deflect blame.
Vote for anyone? The joke’s on you, genocide supporter, you helped a different genocide supporter get elected
You can vote for people who don't support genocide! They exist.
Do you go to work? You failed again; You’re making someone else money so they can vote for a genocide supporter. Do you pay Taxes, you genocide supporterfunder?
We are all complicit in our own ways and we have a moral duty to rebel against our genocidal government. Good job, you just made an argument for revolution lol
And if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils you’re helping the larger evil get elected, you genocide supporter, it just lets you smugly deflect blame.
Democrats would oppose genocide if Trump was president, which actually results in harm reduction. How do you square that circle?
Purposefully withholding your vote in the general election is a selfish/narcissistic act. No matter what wordplay you engage, not giving support to the lesser of two evils leads to better outcomes for the greater of them -- and pain and suffering for the most vulnerable. But you get the comfort of hugging your pristine principles**
**and La Revolución is NOT happening in time to help in any meaningful way before uncountable death and suffering -- stop that BS and grow up
Voting for genocide makes you a genocide supporter. Deal with it.
Not too far of a departure from Biden's statements about no upper limit of dead civilians or children and "None. No possiblity." about a ceasefire.
The real crime for the Republican: aligning with Biden in rhetoric.
Lemmings are rightly furious about these comments, but I don’t recall you all being upset about Tlaib’s tone-deaf implication that Israel should be wiped from the map.
I’m not pretending Tlaib’s comments are as bad as these, because they’re not, but I am absolutely for censuring Tlaib over them. They were totally out of line, no matter what she meant.
She called for Palestine to be free from the river to the sea. That doesn't actually require wiping Israel off the map.
Palestine and Israel could just become a single multi-ethnic democracy so everyone gets equal rights and equal protections.
It's like saying "Black Lives Matter" is racist because the implication is that only black lives matter, when it is actually meant to say black lives also matter. Bad faith interpretation.
“From the river to the sea” is a phrase used by Hamas and other anti-Israel groups in the region to talk about wiping Israel out. I don’t think Tlaib was actually calling for the destruction of Israel, but her choice of phrase was absolutely moronic, and I don’t believe she ever apologized for it. That’s what I meant about her comments not being as bad as these, but still bad.
"From the river to the sea" is also a phrase used by the entire Palestinian resistance. Everyone, from peaceful protesters to violent militants, are saying the same thing- they are demanding freedom. The fact that some of them are more extreme than others is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. Even the ones that are anti-Israel aren't calling for genocide - they want Israel abolished and all Jewish Israelis to become Palestinian.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. Deal. With. It.
"Lemmy did not levy these exact condemnations over a less-offensive comment and therefore...."
What? So what? What is your point? You posted this just to side track condemnation of actual genocidal language in order to drop some open-ended whataboutism?
Those comments are fine. The only ones pissed off about them are insincere fear mongers and genocidal apologists.
Exactly. Tlaib literally says its meaning is of peaceful coexistence. There is absolutely no comparison with the woman above saying all Palestinians should be dead.
You think using the exact language Hamas uses when they call for Israel’s obliteration is fine? There’s definitely something wrong with you.
You sir\madam are not a nice person.
If I’m “not nice,” you’re far worse.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid. But you abuse that privilege.
Can you imagine her outrage of anyone said that about any group she is part of? Women. American. Divorced. Military. You name it. “Kill all of them”, “How can you say that, that’s inhumane and you should be locked up in a mental hospital”, but when it’s Palestinians it’s fine I guess.
Imagine thinking a whole group of people- millions of people- deserve to die. I can't even comprehend the thought process there.
The thought of killing millions of people is becoming normalized again.
The more this rhetoric is repeated, the more likely it will occur .... if not in Palestine, then somewhere else.
We aren't evolving at this point ... we're regressing.
Now that everyone who experienced WW2 has gone, the collective memory isn't so strong. Up till a few years ago, you could talk to someone in the family who remembered it.
They only think about it in numbers and them gone.
Why are states wasting time with resolutions for international issues. Stay in your lane.
Why are you diverting attention from the real issue: a fuckin' psychopath calling for mass murder.
Cause more than enough people covered that topic in the comments already.
Because it's all theater. Most of these loonies are extras they just don't know it. It's one giant distraction. A fuckin flea circus. Just make sure you're paying attention so you don't notice your wallet getting lighter or your rights getting smaller.
I agree, ignore all local and state elections.
I wouldn't say ignore them. That is how the loons get their soapbox and make rules that make our lives hell. Remember that it is local government that assists the state government with their gerrymandering and enforcement of abusive laws. Vote for competent, populace-minded local governments and the asshats in the state governments will have more trouble exerting will.
Yeah, that would be the sarcasm.
Pardon my autism. Sorry I didn't catch it.
These people live in a bizarre, hate-filled universe.
That and their tribe is all they have.
America*
She said the only part out loud.
This is why I'm not all that concerned in the recent polls that Biden is losing support among Progressives, who tend to be sympathetic to the Palestinians. What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse? If Trump does win, do they really think they would be listened to?
I doubt a single person in Florida who thinks that Biden and the party he leads is not taking their side on this issue would vote for this person instead.
What they might do is sit out the election or make a third party protest vote. I am no lover of Biden, but if he's the only viable choice other than Trump, we need him in the office and I'm worried not enough people will realize that.
It’s the same issue Hillary had. Lots of liberals were so fucking tired of the system. They wanted something new. And Hillary was a direct personification of the system; A career politician who had paid her party dues for decades, and felt like the seat had been promised to her. There were a lot of liberals who casted protest votes.
I'll admit I did that. I voted for Bernie in the Primary and then didn't vote in the General. Although I lived in Oklahoma where Trump beat Clinton by 529k votes and hasn't been blue in the last 50 years...
I'd like to think I would have voted for Clinton if my vote counted for anything. If we got rid of the electoral college then I feel like the voting percentage would go up across the country as Republicans in California and Democrats in Alabama would suddenly have a reason to actually vote. I live in Alabama now and it is a STUGGLE to get any of my friends to take the time to go vote.
I hope the ones who did have learned their lesson. When the greater of two evils gets in power, greater evil is done.
Yea I’m sorry I was one of them and therefore helped trump get in. I wanted Bernie, still want Bernie, voted Bernie in protest in ‘16 but did my part voting Biden in ‘20. But until trump is dead and republicans are unable to field someone as rallying to their base, I’m forced to vote democrat to prevent fascism overtaking my nation.
Which, in our current system, also helps Republicans get elected.
That was my point.
I honestly don't care anymore, everything is already fucked. I might start voting the craziest right wingers going forward, bring on the collapse, the Democratic party is just a different sect of rich fucks that do not give one singular fuck about the people they supposedly represent. This whole place is rotten to it's core.
We have no culture beyond consumption and money
Yea that will only cause the death of millions, great idea there mate
Username checks out.
What could go wrong with electing the people who want the opposite things you do?
Electoral nihilism isn't cool or edgy, it's stupid. Things could always get worse, and definitely will if a collapse happens.
Their rhetoric is certainly more openly genocidal, but Biden has done little to nothing to stop this either. He seems to fully support funding genocide.
He uses language that is better, but his actions show no restraint in helping Israel 100%.
And just 2 days ago:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/11/09/remarks-by-president-biden-before-marine-one-departure-39/
This is what leftists are talking about when we say they're not that different. One party has better language sometimes but in reality little ever changes. Both ultimately serve the interests of the rich and the interests of the rich lie in imperialism and exploitation. The existence of Israel in that region benefits them.
But thats really the only line he could take. People talk about the benefits of incumbency when running for office, but incumbency also has a drawback that you need to find solutions to problems, in real-time, with whatever situation is currently going on. His opponents have the luxury of not having to be the one to deal with this problem, right now.
And the fact of the matter is, no matter how heavy handed Israel is being right now, Hamas is showing no signs of letting up. And, no matter what you think about Israel's treatment of Gaza all this time, no one can make an argument that Hamas didn't strike first in this most recent action. If Biden let up on Hamas the way his detractors want, all it does is embolden those who want to use violence to further their extreme politics. (Including the home-grown ones in the US).
What a pointless, ahistorical line of thought.
Yeah sure if you just ignore everything else and start from that day, they kind of look like the aggressor.
But even then that's not true. "Israel was just peacefully minding its own business, illegally occupying the land they stole when the people they stole it from attacked outta nowhere". Occupation is aggression.
They could choose not to vote at all, which is almost as bad. Or vote for a third party candidate, which is the same thing.
Many people think they're taking a moral stand by sitting out an election because they don't like their party's contender.
Used to listen to a local conservative radio host. Great guy, wouldn't let anyone talk shit if it wasn't true, never pushed any hate, nothing like today's breed.
Lady calls in and says she's refuses to vote McCain for whatever reason. OTOH, she disliked Obama even more. The host was gob smacked.
"You do realize that not voting McCain is next door to voting Obama and you're helping him win? Right? If you don't like Obama, wouldn't it be better to hold your nose and vote McCain?"
"I still won't do it. I have morals."
Supporting Israel in this holocaust is going to cost Biden votes.
This "great guy" was encouraging people to vote for the Republican candidate after eight years of George W. Bush?
Could just stay home. Maybe a bunch of us are tired of voting for people whose only qualifications is they aren't the other person.
But that's entirely my point. These people who are complaining that Biden isn't taking their side are at risk having an administration who considers them all to be terrorists to take over if they sit this one out. I suppose they can take solace in the fact that they stuck to their principles, even if the Trump Administration sends them all to re-education camps.
Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.
There aren't good options. There's genocide lite and genocide delux.
I will not vote for genocide, and if you vote for genocide you are complicit.
Not acting is still a choice.
It's a choice to not vote for genocide. You can tell yourself pretty lies, but if you vote for Biden you are a genocide supporter.
Every time I hear this I have to do some math, play a word puzzle, or some other mental exercise to make sure I don't catch The Stupid. If casting a vote for Biden equals support for genocide, then anything anyone in a civilized society does could be said to be the same. Vote for anyone? The joke's on you, genocide supporter, you helped a different genocide supporter get elected. Do you go to work? You failed again; You're making someone else money so they can vote for a genocide supporter. Do you pay Taxes, you genocide
supporterfunder?Protest votes are for the primary; go ahead and vote for Gandhi McJesus then. The general is the team play. And if you don't vote for the lesser of two evils you're helping the larger evil get elected, you genocide supporter, it just lets you smugly deflect blame.
You can vote for people who don't support genocide! They exist.
We are all complicit in our own ways and we have a moral duty to rebel against our genocidal government. Good job, you just made an argument for revolution lol
Democrats would oppose genocide if Trump was president, which actually results in harm reduction. How do you square that circle?
Purposefully withholding your vote in the general election is a selfish/narcissistic act. No matter what wordplay you engage, not giving support to the lesser of two evils leads to better outcomes for the greater of them -- and pain and suffering for the most vulnerable. But you get the comfort of hugging your pristine principles**
**and La Revolución is NOT happening in time to help in any meaningful way before uncountable death and suffering -- stop that BS and grow up
Voting for genocide makes you a genocide supporter. Deal with it.
No ceasefire, no votes.
Hope people are gathering outside her office to protest. What a piece of shit.
Wait… subject == repub == POS? Ok, nm, that checks out.
Not too far of a departure from Biden's statements about no upper limit of dead civilians or children and "None. No possiblity." about a ceasefire.
The real crime for the Republican: aligning with Biden in rhetoric.
Lemmings are rightly furious about these comments, but I don’t recall you all being upset about Tlaib’s tone-deaf implication that Israel should be wiped from the map.
I’m not pretending Tlaib’s comments are as bad as these, because they’re not, but I am absolutely for censuring Tlaib over them. They were totally out of line, no matter what she meant.
She called for Palestine to be free from the river to the sea. That doesn't actually require wiping Israel off the map.
Palestine and Israel could just become a single multi-ethnic democracy so everyone gets equal rights and equal protections.
It's like saying "Black Lives Matter" is racist because the implication is that only black lives matter, when it is actually meant to say black lives also matter. Bad faith interpretation.
“From the river to the sea” is a phrase used by Hamas and other anti-Israel groups in the region to talk about wiping Israel out. I don’t think Tlaib was actually calling for the destruction of Israel, but her choice of phrase was absolutely moronic, and I don’t believe she ever apologized for it. That’s what I meant about her comments not being as bad as these, but still bad.
"From the river to the sea" is also a phrase used by the entire Palestinian resistance. Everyone, from peaceful protesters to violent militants, are saying the same thing- they are demanding freedom. The fact that some of them are more extreme than others is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. Even the ones that are anti-Israel aren't calling for genocide - they want Israel abolished and all Jewish Israelis to become Palestinian.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. Deal. With. It.
"Lemmy did not levy these exact condemnations over a less-offensive comment and therefore...."
What? So what? What is your point? You posted this just to side track condemnation of actual genocidal language in order to drop some open-ended whataboutism?
Source on Tlab's comments?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna123735
Those comments are fine. The only ones pissed off about them are insincere fear mongers and genocidal apologists.
Exactly. Tlaib literally says its meaning is of peaceful coexistence. There is absolutely no comparison with the woman above saying all Palestinians should be dead.
You think using the exact language Hamas uses when they call for Israel’s obliteration is fine? There’s definitely something wrong with you.
You sir\madam are not a nice person.
If I’m “not nice,” you’re far worse.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid. But you abuse that privilege.