If you were an all knowing all powerful god who supposedly loves everyone unconditionally, would you create a fiery pit and send people there for all eternity?
God never loved anyone unconditionally. My favorite Bible quote:
Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me. ...whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.
— Matthew 25:41–43 (NIV)
He very explicitly hates selfish people. VERY specifically these people, spoken by Jesus, this group of people are damned to hell. Gays, never spoken of by Jesus, btw.
Any entity who tortures their creations for eternity based solely on their performance over a ~80 year time span is not an entity worthy of worship.
Any entity that either permits or doesn't have the power to prevent suffering on earth isn't worthy of worship either.
If there is a supreme being, they've either failed or they're malevolent.
Of course! They ate shrimps!
Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried.
The fiery pit/dante's hell version doesn't actually exist in the bible. The main thing about hell is you don't experience god's love/presence, which is weird but a lot better than an eternity of torture.
If you experience god's presence please consult with your psychiatrist, I'm not joking lol
People who think God has talked to them are just people who really sure about a thought they had
That's wild. Have you tried DMT?
I'm just referring to what's in the bible, I'm agnostic. (Incidentally, I only became agnostic after reading the book of job)
So why have churches been threatening their victims with hell for centuries? Could it be they all make it up as they go along?
The rest of the stuff you said isn’t in the Bible either
Wasn't there a modern story about how Sisyphus got used to rolling the boulder and found joy in the nuances and being swole?
I love this interpretation lmao
Assuming there's enough supernatural power to sustain a torture pit of fire for all eternity, It's probably trivial to just have you suffer non-stop regardless of any hypothetical limits.
However, even in real life pain receptors are distinct receptors in your body that don't dull themselves after a while, the way our smell and sight receptors do
pain receptors are distinct receptors in your body that don't dull themselves after a while
Man, that's some bullshit.
Come on Body, can't you just have some, like, nice things that aren't purely functional?
Pretty sure chronic pain even in regular life is a thing.
I mean your senses would adapt to it which means you would die.
As you cannot die as you are invincible, your nerves cannot take damage. But that would mean your brain would overstimulate and that also cannot take damage.
So either you stay in constant pain, which has to get lower and lower as you cant handle constant pain (legalize Cannabis for those people for fucks sake).
So I guess yes, to stay invincible you have to get used to it.
Or you have pain and damage, but that state resets like all the time. So you would stay in a state of immediate pain, without remembering the past, as it has to be removed entirely, as that pain will harm your brain.
So you would stay in immediate pain without a sense of time, which is probably way way less extreme than you imagine it but still horrible.
So people, just dont believe that crap. When you die its over, and that may be an even harder truth to accept.
I always found it funny that they've confused the idea of eternal life and death. If you're burning forever you're still alive, in some way. So the idea that it's "death" doesn't make sense. It would only be death if you were destroyed completely (which is what Jesus says he will do at least once in the gospels) so idk where they get the idea that being tortured forever isn't eternal life.
It's not a good one, but it's still eternal life.
You are absolutely correct. The original Hebrew word in the Bible for hell is Sheol, which means grave, or place of resting. He even says "this is the second death". You don't get eternal life, except through accepting him, according to the scripture.
Well it's not their word for hell, that's the point. It means death or grave, the idea of hell wasn't even considered until the Greek started being converted in the first and second century and folded their ideas about the afterlife (including their underworld 'hel') into the mix of Jewish belief about death being non-existence and resurrection being the return from non-existence.
That's how we get the two testaments treating death differently, and the conflation of the word "sheol" to mean hell, when it really just meant being dead.
That's the point I was trying to make. It's a mistranslation, or even worse, an intentional change. Even with the word there, there's enough context to make it clear that the punishment for denying christ is death, not eternal life. "Hell" is eternal, in the sense that you're dead forever. Those who are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death. That's what it says. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to change the definition of the word death to mean eternal life and torture, where it takes none to acknowledge that you die.
So if im already in hell and while I'm being tortured for eternity I can be like "I'm sorry for detonating Canada in 2052 jesus" and he be like "lmao no prob fam up you go"
The point is that you're not tortured for eternity. That idea didn't become popular until Southern Baptist started traveling the states with their fire and brimstone sermons. You are killed, obliterated, dead, for eternity. Game over.
You are made of a finite amout on of material. You would only burn for a finite amout of time. The pit is also finite. Your question is wrong.
I guess you never learned the word “if” eh?
also you would die from fire
Through Christ all things are possible, even not getting used to being on fire. I make this sacrifice for Jesus. Who, coincidentally, already suffered for my sins. So...
Atheists: 0
Christians: 1
Ah, yes. The all loving Christ who would light you on fire if you don't love him. Truly a win.
Look. Christ was inconvenienced for a weekend. Cut him some slack.
Imagine believing in an invisible sky person with the power to condemn you to burn for eternity. Grow up.
I made the grave mistake of forgetting the /s. It was a joke, just like Religion.
If you were an all knowing all powerful god who supposedly loves everyone unconditionally, would you create a fiery pit and send people there for all eternity?
God never loved anyone unconditionally. My favorite Bible quote:
He very explicitly hates selfish people. VERY specifically these people, spoken by Jesus, this group of people are damned to hell. Gays, never spoken of by Jesus, btw.
Any entity who tortures their creations for eternity based solely on their performance over a ~80 year time span is not an entity worthy of worship.
Any entity that either permits or doesn't have the power to prevent suffering on earth isn't worthy of worship either.
If there is a supreme being, they've either failed or they're malevolent.
Of course! They ate shrimps!
Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried.
The fiery pit/dante's hell version doesn't actually exist in the bible. The main thing about hell is you don't experience god's love/presence, which is weird but a lot better than an eternity of torture.
If you experience god's presence please consult with your psychiatrist, I'm not joking lol
People who think God has talked to them are just people who really sure about a thought they had
That's wild. Have you tried DMT?
I'm just referring to what's in the bible, I'm agnostic. (Incidentally, I only became agnostic after reading the book of job)
So why have churches been threatening their victims with hell for centuries? Could it be they all make it up as they go along?
The rest of the stuff you said isn’t in the Bible either
Anyone who has the power to put you there for eternity probably has the power to make it so you don't get used to it
Wasn't there a modern story about how Sisyphus got used to rolling the boulder and found joy in the nuances and being swole?
I love this interpretation lmao
Assuming there's enough supernatural power to sustain a torture pit of fire for all eternity, It's probably trivial to just have you suffer non-stop regardless of any hypothetical limits.
However, even in real life pain receptors are distinct receptors in your body that don't dull themselves after a while, the way our smell and sight receptors do
Man, that's some bullshit.
Come on Body, can't you just have some, like, nice things that aren't purely functional?
Pretty sure chronic pain even in regular life is a thing.
I mean your senses would adapt to it which means you would die.
As you cannot die as you are invincible, your nerves cannot take damage. But that would mean your brain would overstimulate and that also cannot take damage.
So either you stay in constant pain, which has to get lower and lower as you cant handle constant pain (legalize Cannabis for those people for fucks sake).
So I guess yes, to stay invincible you have to get used to it.
Or you have pain and damage, but that state resets like all the time. So you would stay in a state of immediate pain, without remembering the past, as it has to be removed entirely, as that pain will harm your brain.
So you would stay in immediate pain without a sense of time, which is probably way way less extreme than you imagine it but still horrible.
So people, just dont believe that crap. When you die its over, and that may be an even harder truth to accept.
I always found it funny that they've confused the idea of eternal life and death. If you're burning forever you're still alive, in some way. So the idea that it's "death" doesn't make sense. It would only be death if you were destroyed completely (which is what Jesus says he will do at least once in the gospels) so idk where they get the idea that being tortured forever isn't eternal life.
It's not a good one, but it's still eternal life.
You are absolutely correct. The original Hebrew word in the Bible for hell is Sheol, which means grave, or place of resting. He even says "this is the second death". You don't get eternal life, except through accepting him, according to the scripture.
Well it's not their word for hell, that's the point. It means death or grave, the idea of hell wasn't even considered until the Greek started being converted in the first and second century and folded their ideas about the afterlife (including their underworld 'hel') into the mix of Jewish belief about death being non-existence and resurrection being the return from non-existence.
That's how we get the two testaments treating death differently, and the conflation of the word "sheol" to mean hell, when it really just meant being dead.
That's the point I was trying to make. It's a mistranslation, or even worse, an intentional change. Even with the word there, there's enough context to make it clear that the punishment for denying christ is death, not eternal life. "Hell" is eternal, in the sense that you're dead forever. Those who are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death. That's what it says. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to change the definition of the word death to mean eternal life and torture, where it takes none to acknowledge that you die.
So if im already in hell and while I'm being tortured for eternity I can be like "I'm sorry for detonating Canada in 2052 jesus" and he be like "lmao no prob fam up you go"
The point is that you're not tortured for eternity. That idea didn't become popular until Southern Baptist started traveling the states with their fire and brimstone sermons. You are killed, obliterated, dead, for eternity. Game over.
It's not real. Could be anything
Firey pits are real. But you only need to worry about them while you're alive, not after you die. Unless of course you don't wanna be cremated.
Not getting used to it IS the punishment
You are made of a finite amout on of material. You would only burn for a finite amout of time. The pit is also finite. Your question is wrong.
I guess you never learned the word “if” eh?
also you would die from fire
Through Christ all things are possible, even not getting used to being on fire. I make this sacrifice for Jesus. Who, coincidentally, already suffered for my sins. So... Atheists: 0 Christians: 1
Ah, yes. The all loving Christ who would light you on fire if you don't love him. Truly a win.
Look. Christ was inconvenienced for a weekend. Cut him some slack.
Imagine believing in an invisible sky person with the power to condemn you to burn for eternity. Grow up.
I made the grave mistake of forgetting the /s. It was a joke, just like Religion.