Is there anywhere that wasn't or isn't fucked up at some point in history?! Humans are shitty. Ancient humans were even worst (very boring, smelly and short life)
I think that the roman intervention of Greece, led by Flaminio was totally justified, they did what they had to do. Nothing more, nothing less. Change my mind.
Yeah, they said "at some point" and the Roman genocide in Carthage might be considered fucked up I guess.
The third punic war for sure.
Edit: The fuck downvoted that? Cato the Elder in here?
Most countries act like sociopaths if they were held to individual human standards.
What about Ireland
A country with a chapter in its history named "The Troubles" might not be the best pick here.
I'm not Irish or British, but fow what I know I'd put a bit more blame on UK for the troubles. Don't invade/colonize a country, don't get troubles.
The troubles weren't just Irish people vs colonial oppressors though, there was a ton of sectarian violence between different Irish groups
If you mean Catholic Irish vs protestant Irish, it was in the end a byproduct of British occupation anyway
They had a lot of problems with child abuse. I mean, most countries had, but theirs was somewhat more prominent. One of the less psychotic countries though, I guess.
I mean Japan it this way with USA / Korea, and China probably as well? USA doesn't really learn Asian history enough to get the backstory.
US gets very little world history of any type. And what little it does get is whitewashed and only parts that relate to the US...
Bold of you to speak for an entire population, bub.
Don't pretend it isn't true.
It's entirely situational and not every place is the same, like it is everywhere else in the world.
Can you please elaborate? I'm curious to know.
In total, between 1965 and 1973, 312,853 South Korean soldiers fought in Vietnam; Vietnam's Ministry of Culture and Communications in an unofficial investigation[6] estimated they killed 41,400 enemy fighters and 5,000 civilians.[7] After the Vietnam war, there were thousands of children of mixed Korean and Vietnamese descent, called Lai Dai Han, born of Korean workers or soldiers and local Vietnamese.[8] Reportedly, many resulted from widespread "My Lai-style massacres" that[9] involved the rape of Vietnamese Women by South Korean soldiers.[8] Various civil society groups continue to hope for a formal investigation and apology into these events.[10]
Wait they also never apologized but still pester Japan about it?
Yikes so they literally did onto others what others have done to them.
We really start needing to draft into combat roles the families of leaders. There would have been no Vietnam war if John John was deployed
South Korean (ROK) soldiers were heavily involved in the US-Vietnam war and had a reputation for being effective but brutal. Maybe this is related to that?
I mean, even from their own perspective, they've had a very unpleasant history, especially the last hundred-fifty years or so
They’ve reached the point of deserving it. Modern Korean society is completely brainrotted by capitalist and right wing influence.
In the next 10-15 years we are going to see what real late stage capitalism is like, and it will be in South Korea.
A toast to the future.
Are you a tankie or do you just think it's cool and edgy having takes as immature as "government bad therefore they deserve it"
It’s unnecessary to assume they’re a tankie. My guess is someone who has experienced that life first hand? If you’ve seen movies like Parasite you get an idea of mindset and culture OP is talking about. Of course it’s not all as extreme as OP says, but there are reasons why the term Hell Joseon is part of the culture there, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Joseon
For anyone wondering about the anime girl's source, she's from Future Diary.
Same with japan and korea ig
America absolutely wrecked the situation in Korea and for little other reason than rabid anticommunist sentiment.
While the US has done shitty stuff and did even in Korea.
I would bet almost all of South Korea prefers their current situation over having the entire peninsula look like N.K. and living like that.
Perhaps the DPRK wouldn't be as poor and reclusive if they hadn't had almost all the cities in the north bombed until there was nothing left by Americans. And South Korea's situation was really not that great either for a long time. It was led by brutal US installed leaders like Singman Rhee. The north was much better off by most metrics until later on.
So it’s better despite having an equally brutal regime? With a leader worship akin to Ancient Rome? It feels like you’re splitting hairs tbh.
It's undeniable that the embargo is responsible for quite a lot of economic suffering in North Korea while only strengthening the Kim monarchy's grip.
It's also undeniable that the South Korean government eventually reformed their way out of fascism. Was that narrow, twisty, and decades long path worth the war that was fought, given it is also simply impossible to say what would have happened if the Allies had let the fascists in South Korea be conquered?
Would that have strengthened the Kims, or would they be more like the modern Vietnamese government? Or would they just have been annexed by the PRC?
Maybe North Korea wouldn’t suck if they didn’t start a war that they couldn’t win.🤷🏿
"DPRK" opinion invalidated
using the names of countries I don't like is bad. i am very smart
I hope you call Russia the Russian Federation, Germany as the Federal Republic of Germany, etc.
There are a number of states that involve split countries, contested land, or military occupation, where it is useful to be specific. Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland both exist in the country of Ireland. DPRK and ROK both exist in the country of Korea. Israel and occupied Palestine both exist in the country of Palestine. Republic of Somalia and Republic of Somaliland both exist in the country of Somalia. The PRC and ROC both exist within the country of China. Before reunification, there were the DDR/GDR and BRD/FRG in the country of Germany
? They're just using the real name.
Do you get mad when people call "America" USA?
About as mad as I get when I hear people calling the French Republic "France" or the United States of Mexico "Mexico".
That's a thing normal people call the US, I've never heard someone call it the DPRK who wasn't a weird tankie that circlejerks about how cool north Korea is and how Putin is getting the gang back together and shit
Is there anywhere that wasn't or isn't fucked up at some point in history?! Humans are shitty. Ancient humans were even worst (very boring, smelly and short life)
I think that the roman intervention of Greece, led by Flaminio was totally justified, they did what they had to do. Nothing more, nothing less. Change my mind.
Yeah, they said "at some point" and the Roman genocide in Carthage might be considered fucked up I guess.
The third punic war for sure.
Edit: The fuck downvoted that? Cato the Elder in here?
Most countries act like sociopaths if they were held to individual human standards.
What about Ireland
A country with a chapter in its history named "The Troubles" might not be the best pick here.
I'm not Irish or British, but fow what I know I'd put a bit more blame on UK for the troubles. Don't invade/colonize a country, don't get troubles.
The troubles weren't just Irish people vs colonial oppressors though, there was a ton of sectarian violence between different Irish groups
If you mean Catholic Irish vs protestant Irish, it was in the end a byproduct of British occupation anyway
They had a lot of problems with child abuse. I mean, most countries had, but theirs was somewhat more prominent. One of the less psychotic countries though, I guess.
I mean Japan it this way with USA / Korea, and China probably as well? USA doesn't really learn Asian history enough to get the backstory.
US gets very little world history of any type. And what little it does get is whitewashed and only parts that relate to the US...
Bold of you to speak for an entire population, bub.
Don't pretend it isn't true.
It's entirely situational and not every place is the same, like it is everywhere else in the world.
Can you please elaborate? I'm curious to know.
In total, between 1965 and 1973, 312,853 South Korean soldiers fought in Vietnam; Vietnam's Ministry of Culture and Communications in an unofficial investigation[6] estimated they killed 41,400 enemy fighters and 5,000 civilians.[7] After the Vietnam war, there were thousands of children of mixed Korean and Vietnamese descent, called Lai Dai Han, born of Korean workers or soldiers and local Vietnamese.[8] Reportedly, many resulted from widespread "My Lai-style massacres" that[9] involved the rape of Vietnamese Women by South Korean soldiers.[8] Various civil society groups continue to hope for a formal investigation and apology into these events.[10]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea%E2%80%93Vietnam_relations
Wait they also never apologized but still pester Japan about it?
Yikes so they literally did onto others what others have done to them.
We really start needing to draft into combat roles the families of leaders. There would have been no Vietnam war if John John was deployed
South Korean (ROK) soldiers were heavily involved in the US-Vietnam war and had a reputation for being effective but brutal. Maybe this is related to that?
I mean, even from their own perspective, they've had a very unpleasant history, especially the last hundred-fifty years or so
They’ve reached the point of deserving it. Modern Korean society is completely brainrotted by capitalist and right wing influence.
In the next 10-15 years we are going to see what real late stage capitalism is like, and it will be in South Korea.
A toast to the future.
Are you a tankie or do you just think it's cool and edgy having takes as immature as "government bad therefore they deserve it"
It’s unnecessary to assume they’re a tankie. My guess is someone who has experienced that life first hand? If you’ve seen movies like Parasite you get an idea of mindset and culture OP is talking about. Of course it’s not all as extreme as OP says, but there are reasons why the term Hell Joseon is part of the culture there, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Joseon
For anyone wondering about the anime girl's source, she's from Future Diary.
Same with japan and korea ig
America absolutely wrecked the situation in Korea and for little other reason than rabid anticommunist sentiment.
While the US has done shitty stuff and did even in Korea.
I would bet almost all of South Korea prefers their current situation over having the entire peninsula look like N.K. and living like that.
Perhaps the DPRK wouldn't be as poor and reclusive if they hadn't had almost all the cities in the north bombed until there was nothing left by Americans. And South Korea's situation was really not that great either for a long time. It was led by brutal US installed leaders like Singman Rhee. The north was much better off by most metrics until later on.
So it’s better despite having an equally brutal regime? With a leader worship akin to Ancient Rome? It feels like you’re splitting hairs tbh.
It's undeniable that the embargo is responsible for quite a lot of economic suffering in North Korea while only strengthening the Kim monarchy's grip.
It's also undeniable that the South Korean government eventually reformed their way out of fascism. Was that narrow, twisty, and decades long path worth the war that was fought, given it is also simply impossible to say what would have happened if the Allies had let the fascists in South Korea be conquered?
Would that have strengthened the Kims, or would they be more like the modern Vietnamese government? Or would they just have been annexed by the PRC?
Maybe North Korea wouldn’t suck if they didn’t start a war that they couldn’t win.🤷🏿
"DPRK" opinion invalidated
using the names of countries I don't like is bad. i am very smart
I hope you call Russia the Russian Federation, Germany as the Federal Republic of Germany, etc.
There are a number of states that involve split countries, contested land, or military occupation, where it is useful to be specific. Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland both exist in the country of Ireland. DPRK and ROK both exist in the country of Korea. Israel and occupied Palestine both exist in the country of Palestine. Republic of Somalia and Republic of Somaliland both exist in the country of Somalia. The PRC and ROC both exist within the country of China. Before reunification, there were the DDR/GDR and BRD/FRG in the country of Germany
? They're just using the real name.
Do you get mad when people call "America" USA?
About as mad as I get when I hear people calling the French Republic "France" or the United States of Mexico "Mexico".
That's a thing normal people call the US, I've never heard someone call it the DPRK who wasn't a weird tankie that circlejerks about how cool north Korea is and how Putin is getting the gang back together and shit
Same goes for "USA" ?
You can make this same meme about Japan and South Korea lol