Apple App Store, Apple Music store, Apple Movies store, Apple Television store and uhhh Apple News. Checkmate EU
Really though, claiming your Apple App Store on 5 different hardware categories that you own excludes you from your monopoly is some bonzo horseshit. Can't wait for the response on this one.
We don't have a monopoly on one class of device, we have monopolies on five different classes of device. That's definitely different and better!
Better for us!
Hey, be fair, it’s only a monopoly on four out of the five classes.
This is a fairly fundamental misunderstanding of anything related to monopoly or anti-trust law. Maybe, maybe the iPhone, and even then it's a stretch. edit: at least in the US.
Still just one app store. The others are media stores.
Yea it was a joke, I got to the real issue in the second half of my comment
“Bonzo horseshit” is the new “cellar door”
EU says it's not the EU fining Apple. It's actually 27 different countries. Now pay up.
27 times
"Your honor, we actually operate 5 different app stores.....that all just so happen to be called the same thing, share the same backend infrastructure, etc. With what you end up being able to see device side depending on device metadata. But they are 5 different stores, we swear"...... /s
Or something like that.
And they all compete vigorously against one another, behind the scenes!
App Store for iPhone
App Store for iPad
App Store for Apple Watch
App Store for Mac
App Store for Apple TV
I guess if this gets argued correctly it means Apple could technically get away with not opening up the iPad, Apple TV and Apple Watch to accept other stores (Mac already lets you install apps directly from developers). I can see this still letting Apple continue to have the stranglehold over their ecosystem.
I doubt this will change much though. We all know the EU were specifically thinking about the iPhone which needs opening up.
Mac already lets you install apps directly from developers
I just find this language interesting. How a computer now "lets" you install non-walled garden software, as if that hasn't been the default behavior for personal computers for over 40 years since the beginning.
I get what you’re saying and I hate that I had to write it like that. Was saying it to point out that Mac’s just aren’t as locked down as other Apple devices so won’t be subject to the EU ruling anyway.
The entire argument is stupid anyway.
They do limit you without a certain (hidden) key press if the developer isn't on a trusted list.
AFAIK it uses certificates for that, kinda like a more aggressive form of Windows' User Account Control.
But I thought that the whole thing about the mac was that it wasn't a personal computer (pc)?
What, does it still belong to Apple after you buy it? Lol
I think he might be referencing those "I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC" commercials
Which were stupid for their phrasing, but marketing genius, lol
Some people literally believe that a Mac cannot be called a PC.
"well ackshullyyyyyy..."
- Apple lawyer
It won’t pass, they were all built with Swift Programming and Apple owns it. This can also be said about all Apple apps in the play store, the requirement for Swift is unavoidable.
Uhhh what? Swift is just one of the languages you can use to make native UI for Apple devices and interact with their API.
Yes but you’ll get problems during uploads. It’s like Google forcing you to use Android Studio instead of verifying by other means. That’s why people often go to pay others because they don’t want to mess with the verification process.
“Oh thank you for letting us know so we can verify that all five have been opened up. Wouldn’t want to miss one”
Wow, corporations are so hilarious
Did they start counting Cydia?
damn this brought back memories of installious and that other one I forgot the name of lol
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I think they mean 1 app store for each of their products.
The company in its argument to the EU competition enforcer said it operates five App Stores on iPhones, iPads, Mac computers, Apple TVs and Apple Watches, with each designed to distribute apps for a specific operating system and Apple device.
Ah yes, the classic "I didn't commit a crime, I committed 5 crimes" defense. It's a bold move Cotton, lets see how it works for them.
It seems to be a way to minimize the incoming damage. The EU would have to prosecute each platform separately if the argument holds.
And as someone who owns both an iPhone and an iPad, it’s obviously complete horseshit; If I buy an app on my iPhone and the same app is available on the iPad, it automatically gets added there too.
I would be curious to see how they separate those different catalogs on their backend. I assume that the store detects which device and serves a list of compatible apps.
From the article it's just the different stores for different hardware (iPhone, iPad, etc...)
So let me get this straight.
The EU is finding Apple in breach of their antitrust laws, and requiring Apple to allow third party apps on their platform, like how Android devices can install Fdroid or...can non-Samsung devices install the Galaxy Store? Their argument about why they shouldn't have to do that is "we actually have multiple app stores", at least partially counting MacOS, iPadOS and iOS as separate platforms that just so happen to have converging internal technology (they're all ARM-based platforms now), branding and UI. Why do lawyers get to say irrelevant shit without repercussions?
what a bunch of clowns
Then why do developers manage all of those apps through a single experience?
And why can consumers purchase an app on their iPhone and have it automatically installed on their iPad?
Are iPhone apps that don’t have iPad versions that you install on your iPad anyway coming from the iPhone App Store or from the iPad App Store?
Apple silicon Macs also let you install iOS/iPadOS apps. Which App Store is it then?
Tim Cook is just three kids in a trenchcoat.
Actually it's five sentient Apple IIGSs in a trench coat.
Just like Marvel Studios.
That’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see if it works out for them.
Apple App Store, Apple Music store, Apple Movies store, Apple Television store and uhhh Apple News. Checkmate EU
Really though, claiming your Apple App Store on 5 different hardware categories that you own excludes you from your monopoly is some bonzo horseshit. Can't wait for the response on this one.
We don't have a monopoly on one class of device, we have monopolies on five different classes of device. That's definitely different and better!
Better for us!
Hey, be fair, it’s only a monopoly on four out of the five classes.
This is a fairly fundamental misunderstanding of anything related to monopoly or anti-trust law. Maybe, maybe the iPhone, and even then it's a stretch. edit: at least in the US.
Still just one app store. The others are media stores.
Yea it was a joke, I got to the real issue in the second half of my comment
“Bonzo horseshit” is the new “cellar door”
EU says it's not the EU fining Apple. It's actually 27 different countries. Now pay up.
27 times
"Your honor, we actually operate 5 different app stores.....that all just so happen to be called the same thing, share the same backend infrastructure, etc. With what you end up being able to see device side depending on device metadata. But they are 5 different stores, we swear"...... /s
Or something like that.
And they all compete vigorously against one another, behind the scenes!
I guess if this gets argued correctly it means Apple could technically get away with not opening up the iPad, Apple TV and Apple Watch to accept other stores (Mac already lets you install apps directly from developers). I can see this still letting Apple continue to have the stranglehold over their ecosystem.
I doubt this will change much though. We all know the EU were specifically thinking about the iPhone which needs opening up.
I just find this language interesting. How a computer now "lets" you install non-walled garden software, as if that hasn't been the default behavior for personal computers for over 40 years since the beginning.
I get what you’re saying and I hate that I had to write it like that. Was saying it to point out that Mac’s just aren’t as locked down as other Apple devices so won’t be subject to the EU ruling anyway.
The entire argument is stupid anyway.
They do limit you without a certain (hidden) key press if the developer isn't on a trusted list.
AFAIK it uses certificates for that, kinda like a more aggressive form of Windows' User Account Control.
But I thought that the whole thing about the mac was that it wasn't a personal computer (pc)?
What, does it still belong to Apple after you buy it? Lol
I think he might be referencing those "I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC" commercials
Which were stupid for their phrasing, but marketing genius, lol
Some people literally believe that a Mac cannot be called a PC.
"well ackshullyyyyyy..."
- Apple lawyer
It won’t pass, they were all built with Swift Programming and Apple owns it. This can also be said about all Apple apps in the play store, the requirement for Swift is unavoidable.
Uhhh what? Swift is just one of the languages you can use to make native UI for Apple devices and interact with their API.
Yes but you’ll get problems during uploads. It’s like Google forcing you to use Android Studio instead of verifying by other means. That’s why people often go to pay others because they don’t want to mess with the verification process.
“Oh thank you for letting us know so we can verify that all five have been opened up. Wouldn’t want to miss one”
Wow, corporations are so hilarious
Did they start counting Cydia?
damn this brought back memories of installious and that other one I forgot the name of lol
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I think they mean 1 app store for each of their products.
Ah yes, the classic "I didn't commit a crime, I committed 5 crimes" defense. It's a bold move Cotton, lets see how it works for them.
It seems to be a way to minimize the incoming damage. The EU would have to prosecute each platform separately if the argument holds.
And as someone who owns both an iPhone and an iPad, it’s obviously complete horseshit; If I buy an app on my iPhone and the same app is available on the iPad, it automatically gets added there too.
I would be curious to see how they separate those different catalogs on their backend. I assume that the store detects which device and serves a list of compatible apps.
From the article it's just the different stores for different hardware (iPhone, iPad, etc...)
So let me get this straight.
The EU is finding Apple in breach of their antitrust laws, and requiring Apple to allow third party apps on their platform, like how Android devices can install Fdroid or...can non-Samsung devices install the Galaxy Store? Their argument about why they shouldn't have to do that is "we actually have multiple app stores", at least partially counting MacOS, iPadOS and iOS as separate platforms that just so happen to have converging internal technology (they're all ARM-based platforms now), branding and UI. Why do lawyers get to say irrelevant shit without repercussions?
what a bunch of clowns
Then why do developers manage all of those apps through a single experience?
And why can consumers purchase an app on their iPhone and have it automatically installed on their iPad?
Are iPhone apps that don’t have iPad versions that you install on your iPad anyway coming from the iPhone App Store or from the iPad App Store?
Apple silicon Macs also let you install iOS/iPadOS apps. Which App Store is it then?
Tim Cook is just three kids in a trenchcoat.
Actually it's five sentient Apple IIGSs in a trench coat.
Just like Marvel Studios.
That’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see if it works out for them.
I think if apple ever gets fdroud they should call it "F-U-Apple"
FApple is worse enough.
app store , cydia uhhhhhhhhh
Lawyers gonna lawy.
This happened like a month ago. I recall hearing this argument before.
Deja vu.