Israel literally told Gazans to go to Rafah to be safe. They said it was a safe zone.
Now they're supposed to leave Rafah.
You might ask where Israel thinks Gazans are supposed to go. The answer is- nowhere. They're supposed to die.
In the ground or sky
I'm sure they wouldn't spare any iron dome missiles if the Palestinians went as high as the radars would pick.
No. They "need" to push them to the sea for certain religious sects to be satisfied.
Israel literally told Gazans to go to Rafah to be safe. They said it was a safe zone.
And the IDF was operating elsewhere, not entering Rafah at the time.
Now they're supposed to leave Rafah.
Yes, that's how it works. It's like how sometimes during road construction, the construction crew might route you into a different traffic lane. Doesn't mean that lane will remain safe to drive on forever.
You might ask where Israel thinks Gazans are supposed to go. The answer is- nowhere. They're supposed to die.
Now this is just plain false, since it doesn't look like you actually bothered reading any details about it. Israel did in fact tell them where to go.
And then Israel will bomb where it told them to go just like it bombed Rafah after telling them to go there. Or is that just Hamas propaganda?
Terrorist group Hamas is shooting rockets from there, so of course Israel isn't going to ignore it completely. If Hamas stopped hiding behind civilians, the entire area would have been left alone.
Why does Hamas hiding amongst civilians justify killing those civilians?
How many people have been killed by those rockets vs. how many children killed by the IDF?
How many people have been killed by those rockets vs. how many children killed by the IDF?
I'll remind you that Hamas recruits children. Is an unfortunate situation where the children and terrorists counts have some overlap.
Also, why is it always about kill counts? Are you saying it would be more okay with if Hamas successfully killed more people?
Why is it kill counts? Because over 13,000 children have been killed in this war. I suppose you'll claim all 13,000 of them were Hamas soldiers. Even the babies.
Sure, put words in my mouth. You've yet to answer why you're justifying rockets fired at Israeli civilians just because they're mostly being stopped, while condemning rockets fired at Hamas.
Please quote me justifying such a thing. Unless that was a lie. Was it a lie?
How many people have been killed by those rockets vs. how many children killed by the IDF?
Right there, you made it clear that unless both sides suffered deaths, it's okay for one side to do things that you then comdemn the others for.
I have absolutely no idea how you could interpret what I said that way.
Interesting for someone who told me I was putting words in their mouth...
Oh very easily. I said Hamas is shooting rockets out of there, and your immediate reaction is "so what IDF killed more people than Hamas, so it's fine"
You're admitting to being on the wrong side without realizing it. IDF has been the instigator committing what the rest of us call terror attacks on civilians for decades and you are incapable of acknowledging that makes them bad guys.
You're also incapable of acknowledging that both sides have civilians which needs protection.
Because you only think one group of civilians are human.
Oh right, instigators with holy leaders that say murdering Jews will get you to heaven, and government officials that pay your family using international funds if you go and kill Jews. Oh wait.
You're also incapable of acknowledging that both sides have civilians which needs protection.
Sure they need protection. One government does all they can to protect their civilians, the other stripped them of resources and instead choose to go attacking others using those same resources needed for life.
For over 100 years zionists have been terrorizing and committing genocide there. They killed or pushed out the Muslims, they disenfranchised the Christians until they left. They’re currently clamping down on Jewish people who don’t believe in Zionism.
They have always pushed. Every treaty, every agreement. Every legal attempt to stop the violence has been ignored, or discarded under paper thin or faulty pretenses. Terror is often the last resort of a people who have no other options. (Unless western nations give you billions of dollar in weapons and force other nations to recognize your presence, then you can call it statecraft!)
For zionists and for Israel, the goal has always been to paint the land red with non-believer blood and to destroy every bit of culture that isn’t ‘theirs.’
That’s why they bomb mosques and universities. That’s why they bomb infrastructure. That’s why the West Bank has been split into tiny enclaves. They’re choking the life out of the land so they can plant the seeds of their hollow society on barren soil.
That's great fiction you're writing there. Too bad you show no actual understanding of the region. It's almost as if you get your info from outlets peddling anti-Israel hate, since their governments failed to wipe it and all the people in it off the map repeatedly.
How did you know?!? I have to admit, my beliefs were really hard to come by. I almost didn’t have them!
I read Exodus when I was 13 and I believed it. A few years later, a history teacher challenged me to write a research paper over Israel for my IB history class, so in spring of 2002, I had to work so hard to find anti-Israel propaganda. I didn’t really find any in news media, but I went to the school library, and those people are absolute radicals!
They had books from the 1960’s that discussed Jewish settlers forming militias and attacking “moslem” civilians and burning their family farms. It totally blew my mind that Ben Gurion coordinated terror attacks on British officials in the region, so Britain would withdraw and let the Zionists massacre Palestinians - which they did within weeks of Britain formally withdrawing from Palestine in 1948.
Finding all those anti-Israel accounts of things they actually did was a lot of work!
I got an A on that paper, though.
Where and how did you learn what you know?
Where and how did you learn what you know?
I kept reading on and did more research to get the actual facts of the situation, not just stop at the surface level.
Yet you’ve offered no comment that wasn’t surface level. When pressed, you fell back on insinuating others were uninformed or intellectually lazy. Claims you failed to substantiate.
Your comments lack substance. Your positions lack support. You fail to engage intellectually, and the embarrassment you feel at being outclassed is palpable and plainly visible.
You are naked and shameful.
Well you researched in the wrong places
Israel has always been the one with the highest body count and the greatest number of ceasefire violations and greatest amount of land stolen.
Are Israeli newspapers peddling anti Israel hate too? Are they?
I think you've been reading too much AJ. Wait until you find out about that dam on the Jordan river.
I think you've been listening too much to Netanyahu
Nah, he's got to go, but the amount of misinformation about anything related to Israel is absolutely ridiculous. Especially in places like lemmy, where you have 3-5 people flooding the whole place with propaganda that's then lapped up by people who get all their news from lemmy posts.
You haven't even offered any counter information. You're just accusing people of lying or not researching when they're the ones pulling out actual graphs, figures, and historical facts.
Misinformation like multiple Israeli newspapers quoting Israeli ministers who spoke in public and checking it against other public information which you can look up
But you just said that Hamas is not in Rafah and that it's a safe zone. Mhhh.
I never said Hamas was not in Rafah. In fact that's the opposite of what I said. I did say it was designated a safe zone. Now they're moving the safe zone to a new area and the people with it.
Interesting. Can you also explain why israel is currently bombing that new "safe zone"
Because Hamas terrorists are firing rockets out of it. Could you explain to me why they're doing that and risking the their own citizens there?
Do you have evidence of Hamas firing rockets from there?
Extremely honorable of Hamas to fire 350 meters away from the nearest populated area. Difficult to find an empty place within such a densely populated area.
Also great targeted attack hitting only israeli Nazi soldiers and no civilians.
Extremely glad to see Hamas follow international law so well.
Yes, that's how it works. It's like how sometimes during road construction, the construction crew might route you into a different traffic lane. Doesn't mean that lane will remain safe to drive on forever.
That’s a bad analogy. The construction crew direct you to a safe place while they repair the rest of the road. There’s nothing being repaired in Gaza. It’s just being systematically destroyed.
Repairing Gaza by removing the terrorists hiding there.
Problem: Bibi sees all Palestinians as terrorists and potential terrorists.
"If they aren't already terrorists, I'll terrorize them until they are."
Or claims to. I am not sure that he's a true believer so much as an authoritarian who wants to hold onto power and escape justice by pulling the hatred/religious extremism lever that helped him get where he is (he literally marched calling for Rabin's death prior to the assassination).
Riiiight ... removing terrorists like all those children in a playground the IDF bombed with precision bombs the other day.
Your "argument" is just a variant of the good old "All Palestinians are Terrorists" hasbara propaganda slogan.
So nobody there are terrorists? They're all innocent civilians that some of which just happen to have rockets.
Only a Nazi-level extreme racist would think that "there are terrorists in Gaza" excuses bombing a specific playground full of children.
Normal human beings don't mix the racist idea of guilt by association with such a cold calous disregard for the lives of children.
Normal human beings don't mix the racist idea of guilt by association with such a cold calous disregard for the lives of children.
You're right, that's mostly reserved for how Hamas behaves.
And IDF
Murdering civilians creates more terrorists
It’s like how sometimes during road construction
Robert Moses drives a six lane highway through your neighborhood and you all get to eat shit and die.
What's the point of war crimes when there's no war consequences?
There have never been consequences for Israeli crimes and ethnic cleansing.
Even now there is ethnic cleansing of the Armenian quarter in Jerusalem and Palestinian villages in the West Bank.
If you keep doing the shit we've supported you doing for the last 7 months, that could in fact ruffle some metaphorical feathers.
"Not really though, fellow corporatocracy. Fuck the proles. Pay me and I'll help you genocide coz I'm a career sociopath. Whoop whoop!!"
So my understanding is that committing war crimes doesn’t mean you “get arrested”. It’s that if you lose, you can’t just say it was war. If you had committed war crimes, you would be put to trial.
And I’m sure they’ll be punished just as harshly for that war crime as all the others.
Pull out the Sanctions or shut up already Macaroni.
Israel is the gun pointed at Egypt's head over the Suez Canal. For all the bullshit Netanyahu is pulling, too many Europeans learned all the wrong lessons from the Nasser coup and assume a "Greater Israel"
is necessary to maintain commerce between the Mediterranean Sea and the Indian Ocean.
Egypt is fully under American control already.
Sisi is a puppet that receives billions each year from both America and Europe to surpress his population and kneel for israel. Recently he got another 8 Billion IMF bribe.
I don't think there's any strategy involved in the support of israel other than israel fully owning the majority of politicians.
Egypt is fully under American control already.
I'd say its not, as evidenced by the ousting of Hosni Mubarak in 2011. The US doesn't even have a military base in Egypt. The closest we've got are in Etrea and Tripoli, with our West African bases getting squeezed out by the recent wave of military coups. Israel, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia are fundamental to our control of the region.
I don’t think there’s any strategy involved in the support of israel
Think harder.
Why are we getting "squeezed" out of Egypt and Jordan?...
Because of israel.
We fully control the others yet israel is a rabid attack dog. It's the worst of both worlds. We have to obey them instead of the other way around.
pop it on the list
I'm sure Netnyehu is really dreading the intense finger wagging he's in for.
Finger wagging????? They will tug on his pee pee and throw a pahti!
Israel is pretty closely tied to the EU. Their Universities are all part of the Horizon-Program and they are part of the ESC (as is Austraila)
So angering the EU could be a pretty bad move.
The EU has so far stayed pretty silent because
the free-gaza movement has been largely hijacked by radicalist hamas-supporters and terrorists
The EU also has a history with Islamist Terror-Attacks so we pretty much understand the Situation Israel is in
But it sees that the rather careless approach of Nettanyahus Government in regards to Civilians has now pushed the EU over the Edge.
While calling terrorists everyone who stands for Gaza and sending the police, which mutilated many people under Macron's regime, to interrupt protests.
Classic Macron.
Hey, that makes him a centrist now doesn't it?
Condemnation is good but action is greater.
so no war crime until now?
No, just another one
How many people need to die in order for the isreali government being satisfied? It is a rethorcial question as it should be clear by now that the answer is "all in Gaza". It is quite the speedrun to become one of the most despised countries.
Oh, look, Macron waving his finger even more energetically.
That's really going sway the Neue Nazi administration in Israel.
Good old finger-wagging to wash their hands of atrocities. "Hey man, we told them not to do it."
Hasn't Russia been abducting children for over two years?
No. It's not. It's an exact comparison. And enough time has gone by and data exists to see the difference in the community response.
If you want to compare the lemmy response to Ukraine and to Israel, that would be an interesting post for you to make. Present your argument in a original post, and we can have a fun discussion about it.
However when new news comes out, and your comment is what about this other news! That is exactly what aboutism.
Well yeah, that's why Russia is under sanctions, and why we're helping Ukraine.
You're right about US policy (when Congress gets it's shit together). I'm referring to the vitriol in the community online.
you're not wrong. and Russia is also a bad guy. But so is Israel. And so is North Korea. And so is America. And so is...
The list goes on and on. But this article isn't about Russia, is it? It's about Israel committing war crimes.
Appreciate your comment. I'm the first to point out using an irrelevant post as a soapbox to distract from other news. I'm pointing out the difference in response from the online community over the past two years.
i don't know which communities you've been hanging out in, but the consensus is that Russia is also fucked up.
You can safely assume that IDF will not care the slightest. The more Palestinians die from being starved and displaced and getting sick, the less bullets they will need.
It's a win-win then? I mean, bullets and bombs are expensive and you can't expect Americans to pay for every genocide!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
He used the discussion to restate his opposition to a Rafah offensive, shortly before Israel ordered an evacuation designed to move initially at least 100,000 refugees as part of a military effort to drive the remaining Hamas battalions out of Gaza.
In the call on Sunday, Macron urged Netanyahu to complete the negotiations with Hamas that could lead to the release of the abductees, the protection of civilians through a ceasefire, and the reduction of regional tensions.
The French government said Macron had “reiterated his firm opposition to an Israeli attack on Rafah and the urgent need to ensure a massive entry of humanitarian aid through all access points to the Gaza Strip”.
The EU foreign affairs chief, Josep Borrell, said on Monday: “Israel’s evacuation orders to civilians in Rafah portend the worst: more war and famine”
Petra De Sutter, Belgium’s deputy prime minister, said: “The Israeli call for the evacuation of the citizens and refugees of Rafah, and the announced invasion, will lead to massacre.
A German foreign ministry spokesperson said: “The negotiations must not be jeopardised and all sides must make maximum efforts to ensure that the people in Gaza are supplied with humanitarian goods … and that the hostages are freed.”
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What about the rest of Gaza?
France has quite a few W moments recently
But we have to get the guy out that is hiding under the ground. Everybody must leave so we can find heem. And no one bats an eye......
Israel literally told Gazans to go to Rafah to be safe. They said it was a safe zone.
Now they're supposed to leave Rafah.
You might ask where Israel thinks Gazans are supposed to go. The answer is- nowhere. They're supposed to die.
In the ground or sky
I'm sure they wouldn't spare any iron dome missiles if the Palestinians went as high as the radars would pick.
No. They "need" to push them to the sea for certain religious sects to be satisfied.
And the IDF was operating elsewhere, not entering Rafah at the time.
Yes, that's how it works. It's like how sometimes during road construction, the construction crew might route you into a different traffic lane. Doesn't mean that lane will remain safe to drive on forever.
Now this is just plain false, since it doesn't look like you actually bothered reading any details about it. Israel did in fact tell them where to go.
And then Israel will bomb where it told them to go just like it bombed Rafah after telling them to go there. Or is that just Hamas propaganda?
Terrorist group Hamas is shooting rockets from there, so of course Israel isn't going to ignore it completely. If Hamas stopped hiding behind civilians, the entire area would have been left alone.
Why does Hamas hiding amongst civilians justify killing those civilians?
How many people have been killed by those rockets vs. how many children killed by the IDF?
I'll remind you that Hamas recruits children. Is an unfortunate situation where the children and terrorists counts have some overlap.
Also, why is it always about kill counts? Are you saying it would be more okay with if Hamas successfully killed more people?
Why is it kill counts? Because over 13,000 children have been killed in this war. I suppose you'll claim all 13,000 of them were Hamas soldiers. Even the babies.
Sure, put words in my mouth. You've yet to answer why you're justifying rockets fired at Israeli civilians just because they're mostly being stopped, while condemning rockets fired at Hamas.
Please quote me justifying such a thing. Unless that was a lie. Was it a lie?
Right there, you made it clear that unless both sides suffered deaths, it's okay for one side to do things that you then comdemn the others for.
I have absolutely no idea how you could interpret what I said that way.
Interesting for someone who told me I was putting words in their mouth...
Oh very easily. I said Hamas is shooting rockets out of there, and your immediate reaction is "so what IDF killed more people than Hamas, so it's fine"
You're admitting to being on the wrong side without realizing it. IDF has been the instigator committing what the rest of us call terror attacks on civilians for decades and you are incapable of acknowledging that makes them bad guys.
You're also incapable of acknowledging that both sides have civilians which needs protection.
Because you only think one group of civilians are human.
Oh right, instigators with holy leaders that say murdering Jews will get you to heaven, and government officials that pay your family using international funds if you go and kill Jews. Oh wait.
Sure they need protection. One government does all they can to protect their civilians, the other stripped them of resources and instead choose to go attacking others using those same resources needed for life.
You could argue plenty of things, doesn't mean you're right.
Don’t lie to us, and stop lying to yourself.
For over 100 years zionists have been terrorizing and committing genocide there. They killed or pushed out the Muslims, they disenfranchised the Christians until they left. They’re currently clamping down on Jewish people who don’t believe in Zionism.
They have always pushed. Every treaty, every agreement. Every legal attempt to stop the violence has been ignored, or discarded under paper thin or faulty pretenses. Terror is often the last resort of a people who have no other options. (Unless western nations give you billions of dollar in weapons and force other nations to recognize your presence, then you can call it statecraft!)
For zionists and for Israel, the goal has always been to paint the land red with non-believer blood and to destroy every bit of culture that isn’t ‘theirs.’
That’s why they bomb mosques and universities. That’s why they bomb infrastructure. That’s why the West Bank has been split into tiny enclaves. They’re choking the life out of the land so they can plant the seeds of their hollow society on barren soil.
That's great fiction you're writing there. Too bad you show no actual understanding of the region. It's almost as if you get your info from outlets peddling anti-Israel hate, since their governments failed to wipe it and all the people in it off the map repeatedly.
How did you know?!? I have to admit, my beliefs were really hard to come by. I almost didn’t have them!
I read Exodus when I was 13 and I believed it. A few years later, a history teacher challenged me to write a research paper over Israel for my IB history class, so in spring of 2002, I had to work so hard to find anti-Israel propaganda. I didn’t really find any in news media, but I went to the school library, and those people are absolute radicals!
They had books from the 1960’s that discussed Jewish settlers forming militias and attacking “moslem” civilians and burning their family farms. It totally blew my mind that Ben Gurion coordinated terror attacks on British officials in the region, so Britain would withdraw and let the Zionists massacre Palestinians - which they did within weeks of Britain formally withdrawing from Palestine in 1948.
Finding all those anti-Israel accounts of things they actually did was a lot of work!
I got an A on that paper, though.
Where and how did you learn what you know?
I kept reading on and did more research to get the actual facts of the situation, not just stop at the surface level.
Yet you’ve offered no comment that wasn’t surface level. When pressed, you fell back on insinuating others were uninformed or intellectually lazy. Claims you failed to substantiate.
Your comments lack substance. Your positions lack support. You fail to engage intellectually, and the embarrassment you feel at being outclassed is palpable and plainly visible.
You are naked and shameful.
Well you researched in the wrong places
Israel has always been the one with the highest body count and the greatest number of ceasefire violations and greatest amount of land stolen.
Are Israeli newspapers peddling anti Israel hate too? Are they?
I think you've been reading too much AJ. Wait until you find out about that dam on the Jordan river.
https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-05/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-hoped-hamas-would-reject-israels-offer-when-it-didnt-he-turned-to-sabotage/0000018f-4817-d414-a5bf-fb37db290000?gift=106fd24c2615431ca0ac753e09a6b827
I think you've been listening too much to Netanyahu
Nah, he's got to go, but the amount of misinformation about anything related to Israel is absolutely ridiculous. Especially in places like lemmy, where you have 3-5 people flooding the whole place with propaganda that's then lapped up by people who get all their news from lemmy posts.
You haven't even offered any counter information. You're just accusing people of lying or not researching when they're the ones pulling out actual graphs, figures, and historical facts.
Misinformation like multiple Israeli newspapers quoting Israeli ministers who spoke in public and checking it against other public information which you can look up
But you just said that Hamas is not in Rafah and that it's a safe zone. Mhhh.
I never said Hamas was not in Rafah. In fact that's the opposite of what I said. I did say it was designated a safe zone. Now they're moving the safe zone to a new area and the people with it.
Interesting. Can you also explain why israel is currently bombing that new "safe zone"
Because Hamas terrorists are firing rockets out of it. Could you explain to me why they're doing that and risking the their own citizens there?
Do you have evidence of Hamas firing rockets from there?
3 days ago: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68960585.amp
Extremely honorable of Hamas to fire 350 meters away from the nearest populated area. Difficult to find an empty place within such a densely populated area.
Also great targeted attack hitting only israeli Nazi soldiers and no civilians.
Extremely glad to see Hamas follow international law so well.
Now what's your point?
That’s a bad analogy. The construction crew direct you to a safe place while they repair the rest of the road. There’s nothing being repaired in Gaza. It’s just being systematically destroyed.
Repairing Gaza by removing the terrorists hiding there.
Problem: Bibi sees all Palestinians as terrorists and potential terrorists.
"If they aren't already terrorists, I'll terrorize them until they are."
Or claims to. I am not sure that he's a true believer so much as an authoritarian who wants to hold onto power and escape justice by pulling the hatred/religious extremism lever that helped him get where he is (he literally marched calling for Rabin's death prior to the assassination).
Riiiight ... removing terrorists like all those children in a playground the IDF bombed with precision bombs the other day.
Your "argument" is just a variant of the good old "All Palestinians are Terrorists" hasbara propaganda slogan.
So nobody there are terrorists? They're all innocent civilians that some of which just happen to have rockets.
Only a Nazi-level extreme racist would think that "there are terrorists in Gaza" excuses bombing a specific playground full of children.
Normal human beings don't mix the racist idea of guilt by association with such a cold calous disregard for the lives of children.
You're right, that's mostly reserved for how Hamas behaves.
And IDF
Murdering civilians creates more terrorists
Robert Moses drives a six lane highway through your neighborhood and you all get to eat shit and die.
What's the point of war crimes when there's no war consequences?
There have never been consequences for Israeli crimes and ethnic cleansing.
Even now there is ethnic cleansing of the Armenian quarter in Jerusalem and Palestinian villages in the West Bank.
"Not really though, fellow corporatocracy. Fuck the proles. Pay me and I'll help you genocide coz I'm a career sociopath. Whoop whoop!!"
So my understanding is that committing war crimes doesn’t mean you “get arrested”. It’s that if you lose, you can’t just say it was war. If you had committed war crimes, you would be put to trial.
And I’m sure they’ll be punished just as harshly for that war crime as all the others.
Pull out the Sanctions or shut up already Macaroni.
Israel is the gun pointed at Egypt's head over the Suez Canal. For all the bullshit Netanyahu is pulling, too many Europeans learned all the wrong lessons from the Nasser coup and assume a "Greater Israel"
is necessary to maintain commerce between the Mediterranean Sea and the Indian Ocean.
Egypt is fully under American control already.
Sisi is a puppet that receives billions each year from both America and Europe to surpress his population and kneel for israel. Recently he got another 8 Billion IMF bribe.
I don't think there's any strategy involved in the support of israel other than israel fully owning the majority of politicians.
I'd say its not, as evidenced by the ousting of Hosni Mubarak in 2011. The US doesn't even have a military base in Egypt. The closest we've got are in Etrea and Tripoli, with our West African bases getting squeezed out by the recent wave of military coups. Israel, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia are fundamental to our control of the region.
Think harder.
Why are we getting "squeezed" out of Egypt and Jordan?...
Because of israel.
We fully control the others yet israel is a rabid attack dog. It's the worst of both worlds. We have to obey them instead of the other way around.
pop it on the list
I'm sure Netnyehu is really dreading the intense finger wagging he's in for.
Finger wagging????? They will tug on his pee pee and throw a pahti!
Israel is pretty closely tied to the EU. Their Universities are all part of the Horizon-Program and they are part of the ESC (as is Austraila)
So angering the EU could be a pretty bad move.
The EU has so far stayed pretty silent because
But it sees that the rather careless approach of Nettanyahus Government in regards to Civilians has now pushed the EU over the Edge.
While calling terrorists everyone who stands for Gaza and sending the police, which mutilated many people under Macron's regime, to interrupt protests.
Classic Macron.
Hey, that makes him a centrist now doesn't it?
Condemnation is good but action is greater.
so no war crime until now?
No, just another one
How many people need to die in order for the isreali government being satisfied? It is a rethorcial question as it should be clear by now that the answer is "all in Gaza". It is quite the speedrun to become one of the most despised countries.
Oh, look, Macron waving his finger even more energetically.
That's really going sway the Neue Nazi administration in Israel.
Good old finger-wagging to wash their hands of atrocities. "Hey man, we told them not to do it."
Hasn't Russia been abducting children for over two years?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
No. It's not. It's an exact comparison. And enough time has gone by and data exists to see the difference in the community response.
If you want to compare the lemmy response to Ukraine and to Israel, that would be an interesting post for you to make. Present your argument in a original post, and we can have a fun discussion about it.
However when new news comes out, and your comment is what about this other news! That is exactly what aboutism.
Well yeah, that's why Russia is under sanctions, and why we're helping Ukraine.
You're right about US policy (when Congress gets it's shit together). I'm referring to the vitriol in the community online.
you're not wrong. and Russia is also a bad guy. But so is Israel. And so is North Korea. And so is America. And so is...
The list goes on and on. But this article isn't about Russia, is it? It's about Israel committing war crimes.
Appreciate your comment. I'm the first to point out using an irrelevant post as a soapbox to distract from other news. I'm pointing out the difference in response from the online community over the past two years.
i don't know which communities you've been hanging out in, but the consensus is that Russia is also fucked up.
You can safely assume that IDF will not care the slightest. The more Palestinians die from being starved and displaced and getting sick, the less bullets they will need.
It's a win-win then? I mean, bullets and bombs are expensive and you can't expect Americans to pay for every genocide!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
He used the discussion to restate his opposition to a Rafah offensive, shortly before Israel ordered an evacuation designed to move initially at least 100,000 refugees as part of a military effort to drive the remaining Hamas battalions out of Gaza.
In the call on Sunday, Macron urged Netanyahu to complete the negotiations with Hamas that could lead to the release of the abductees, the protection of civilians through a ceasefire, and the reduction of regional tensions.
The French government said Macron had “reiterated his firm opposition to an Israeli attack on Rafah and the urgent need to ensure a massive entry of humanitarian aid through all access points to the Gaza Strip”.
The EU foreign affairs chief, Josep Borrell, said on Monday: “Israel’s evacuation orders to civilians in Rafah portend the worst: more war and famine”
Petra De Sutter, Belgium’s deputy prime minister, said: “The Israeli call for the evacuation of the citizens and refugees of Rafah, and the announced invasion, will lead to massacre.
A German foreign ministry spokesperson said: “The negotiations must not be jeopardised and all sides must make maximum efforts to ensure that the people in Gaza are supplied with humanitarian goods … and that the hostages are freed.”
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What about the rest of Gaza?
France has quite a few W moments recently
But we have to get the guy out that is hiding under the ground. Everybody must leave so we can find heem. And no one bats an eye......