That's why you should build your own media center from an old machine. Much safer and more private.
How?
Connect old PC to TV. Both can be 15 years old.
(optional) For better performance, get a small SSD alongside the big HDD (a 64GB / partition will do), maybe have a homemade NAS ready too
Install Lubuntu, Mint XFCE, Puppy Linux or any other distro of choice
Set up KDE Connect, qBittorrent and VLC
Enjoy
Cheers, I'm using this as a jump off point for a weekend project maybe. Would anything change if I was interested in casting content too?
I think Kodi does some casting... Not 100% sure.
Make sure TearFree is enabled in the graphics configuration (google it).
The hardest part in my project was recalibrating the colors because my TV in HDMI-RGB mode (as opposed to YCbCr) displays everything below 10% brightness as black. The rest was done very quickly. I don't even need a sequential-chunk torrent software because I use FreeRapid Downloader and ulozto.net (can download fast enough to play while downloading at reasonable 720p/1080p bitrates, otherwise ulozto-downloader and a 10min wait is needed).
Kodi supports DLNA, a media library sharing/casting standard.
Stremio on a old windows laptop is a good easy alternative
Could you use a pi ? Do you have any recommendations on ssd / hdd
You can use a relatively cheap Pi as a NAS (network-attached storage - there are ready-made solutions but expensive and don't get updates for nearly as long), and possibly add Kodi media server capabilities (useful for smart TVs). Check if that model supports a sufficiently fast disk interface (USB 3.0, SATA etc.) and Ethernet (100 Mb/s or better if 4K is required). Boot from an SD card and use a 2TB+ HDD (1TB could be enough if you barely store anything). Most disks from the past 10 years will be good enough to play 4K video from if no OS is running from them. Go for a lower-end one but not ridiculously cheap, and check that people arenβt frequently complaining about the model or product line.
I don't know which Pi models can smoothly play HD video without overheating, I don't own any. But those that can are likely a lot more expensive than old PCs you could use otherwise. I would just get a cheap one for a NAS and probably some other common network use cases (web server, Pihole etc.)
My RPi 2B plays HD vids without stuttering or overheating. 4K doesn't work tho, so if you want that, get a newer model. I don't think they even sell the 2B anymore because it's so old.
Are dedicated media-centered OSs (fast boot, remote control) available?
Yes, I'm using libreelec, I and friends control the display from our phones using the Kore app. Makes searching and typing easy, works great on my Pi. Fun game, which of you will select a movie first on your phones lol.
Note: pi3B can do 1080p but it struggles a little if the codec is anything other than h264, because Kodi decided to stop supporting closed source drivers. If you're playing anything above 1080 and anything other than h264, go for a pi 4 or better.
Yes just research how to install Plex or Kodi on your pi. I just did it this evening for an update. For that I used docker with Linuxserver/Plex. It takes some time to get all the settings but there are good YouTube tutorials on how to do it.
Great news. I have a pi I'm not really using. Be a good project for it.
You'd be better off with a used office pc, something with a 4. Or 6. gen Intel CPU is usually cheaper than a RPI and way more versatile. Only thing you lose on is size and power consumption.
I'll need to look into that then
OK I've tried in the past to make a decent streaming box from both windows media center edition and various Linux distros. But I need something that is simple, can be controlled entirely from a remote, and has the major streaming apps (Netflix, disney, etc). I haven't really found any solution that's easy enough for non techie people to use. I have a standalone roku box that works ok we also have a roku TV which is a giant piece of garbage, and I'm considering buying an external roku or nvidia shield as a streaming box instead, I do have a couple of raspberry pi 4s I could use one but again I'm faced with the same issues.
This may seem like a bit much, but it pretty much holds your hand to guide you through the install.
Look into Plex servers, that should keep you busy for the next six months till you get it up and running.
Or Jellyfin. Because free.
Is jellyfin a better alternative?
Yes
Yeah, it's free and open source. I just pointed it at a few folders of TV, movies and music that I downloaded years ago, and it catalogued them all, downloaded all the blurbs and posters.
Like a mini Netflix that you host yourself.
Sounds great. I'll just need to take the time to actually do it
There are jellyfin, Plex and emby shares you can subscribe to for cheap, try it out before blowing money and time on a set-up that needs constant tinkering, it's easy to just download an app and connect to your remote library somewhere that someone else spends time on. I use a shield I got 6 years ago, but now also the Amazon fire stick 4k max on another TV and everything is just easy and seamless while using a Plex share that's 9 euro per month.
Yeah I have been meaning to look into it. It's just another massive time and money sink.
The Android TV app seems better too.
That will keep you busy for a full year.
What are you talking about. First time I set it up, had it running on my local network in less than 5 minutes. 5 more minutes for external (granted, already had the infrastructure for that in place).
Then maybe 20min going through the settings to personalize my account? And maybe another 20min looking if there are any plugins I wanted to use.
It's true, the setup with docker is easy and reliable. However, sorting and taking your media takes very long.
Not even docker, I just pulled it from the aur, lol.
And yeah, that's fair. Though not really Jellyfins fault if it's not sorted already. Same goes for Plex.
I don't think it's a year to setup the software. Rather a year to load it lol. I've spent probably close to 4 years loading content into my Plex server and I don't see any end in sight.
Radarr/Sonarr :)
It still takes time to download things, data only moves so fast and not everyones internet is the same.
My point was more that you can automate all of that.
And that doesn't change my point because even automated it takes time.
People pull shit out of their asses to feel superior about things they donβt actually know anything about.
It'll only take a few minutes to setup. Once you get hooked you'll spend a lot more time automating everything and adding more storage.
The problem is that YouTube app and F1 app are Android only so having a Linux media box won't help. It needs to run Android to run Android apps.
Plus I like to use Chromecast, we use it all the time to send YouTube videos from our phones to the big screen.
What's wrong with using YouTube in a browser?
Can't control it from my phone. Would need a mouse. At least I'm tech minded. My wife isn't and there is no way she would stand for using a mouse and browser on the TV.
Ah, right, makes sense. I'm using a steam controller (or any other controller with steam, honestly) instead of a mouse, which works well enough
I don't know about apps like F1 and Chromecast, but I can see that it could be a problem. But YouTube has worked fine for me with the MPV player. Maybe you could try Android-x86? (is that thing still alive? π )
I swear shit like this is why Lemmy is so incredibly out of touch with the real world. I can't take the community seriously anymore.
So my home media center is not real world enough? I only expressed an opinion; you are free to ignore it. Also, there is nothing that keeps you here. Please kindly keep in mind that most Lemmy users right now are interested in technology, you can't take that away from them and there is nothing wrong with it. If you want to stay away from "shit like this", then, with all respect, you probably should not be in a technology sub in the first place.
I think the difference is folks confuse the general public with the general lemmy user. And I can't tell if the fediverse and lemmy are supposed to be attempting to be a front page for general folks or lemmy early adopter folks.
I agree. Too many comments and threads are hijacked or over represented by the pro piracy crowd. I wish more communities would just ban the shit post of "yar, time to sail the high seas" that seem to be the top comment on any media related post.
You're going to build your own smart TV that can handle new HDMI and Displayport advancements too?
This is going to come as a shock to you, but HDMI has been a thing since 2004. You can find 15 year old dumb TVs with HDMI. If the TV had HDMI, it can handle any format that the screen can physically show and newer versions are backwards compatible.
Or you could just use a new tv with smart features and never connect it to your network. It's what I've done with all the TVs in my house and I simply use an external device I trust to stream.
This is going to be such a nightmare as smart devices become the majority.
Didn't connect your TV to the Internet? Don't worry, it'll spy on you by connecting to the neighbor's tv. Or the built-in WiFi in the modem. Or the power company's smart meter via powerline-networking.
Products are going to be engineered to sell backdoor access at a hefty price, if they aren't already.
Things are going to get scary.
Just like anything with technology though, there will be people in the other side too. Does that magic TV with a mind of it's own have a USB port? If they take away the USB , they will have to add some way to maintenance it. There will always be a way to get at the kernel if you know what you're doing.
It's going to become this horrible game of cat and mouse, for anyone who actually values privacy.
Sure, you could open the device up, remove any antennas. You could add powerline filtering. You could find the jtag or debug ports. You could find a way to hack it. Jam a signal. Make an ultrasonic white noise machine. Wrap the thing in foil. Cover the cameras.
The individual has to block every channel of "attack". The data miners only need to get lucky once.
Newer "smart" sets, particularly from Vizio and a couple other brands, will not let you exit the setup or use the inputs without an internet connection
Wow, I would immediately return any TV that pulled that bs. I have used Sony TV's for a very long time and have never encountered this issue, I even bought a new one in summer 2022 and it did not require Internet connection to function.
LTT reviewed a Roku one like that recently and for some reason didn't recommend immediately binning it.
Pff sure. How hard can it be? Few resistor thingies and some capaci-whatsists, and Arduino, done.
The correct answer is usually Raspberry pi + github.
Although I have no idea what those mean
You can easily configure those with block-chain based AI.
Donβt forget to setup the transistor receptors!
The flux capacitor comes first tho
Almost any ARM SBC and a dumb TV will do, install linux/a minimal wayland compositor and waydroid and youre laughing
Any time there's a advancement you just update the board, instead of the whole TV (which its not like normal smart TV's update their ports anyways?)
That's why you should build your own media center from an old machine. Much safer and more private.
How?
/partition will do), maybe have a homemade NAS ready tooCheers, I'm using this as a jump off point for a weekend project maybe. Would anything change if I was interested in casting content too?
I think Kodi does some casting... Not 100% sure.
Make sure
TearFreeis enabled in the graphics configuration (google it).The hardest part in my project was recalibrating the colors because my TV in HDMI-RGB mode (as opposed to YCbCr) displays everything below 10% brightness as black. The rest was done very quickly. I don't even need a sequential-chunk torrent software because I use FreeRapid Downloader and ulozto.net (can download fast enough to play while downloading at reasonable 720p/1080p bitrates, otherwise
ulozto-downloaderand a 10min wait is needed).Kodi supports DLNA, a media library sharing/casting standard.
Stremio on a old windows laptop is a good easy alternative
Could you use a pi ? Do you have any recommendations on ssd / hdd
You can use a relatively cheap Pi as a NAS (network-attached storage - there are ready-made solutions but expensive and don't get updates for nearly as long), and possibly add Kodi media server capabilities (useful for smart TVs). Check if that model supports a sufficiently fast disk interface (USB 3.0, SATA etc.) and Ethernet (100 Mb/s or better if 4K is required). Boot from an SD card and use a 2TB+ HDD (1TB could be enough if you barely store anything). Most disks from the past 10 years will be good enough to play 4K video from if no OS is running from them. Go for a lower-end one but not ridiculously cheap, and check that people arenβt frequently complaining about the model or product line.
I don't know which Pi models can smoothly play HD video without overheating, I don't own any. But those that can are likely a lot more expensive than old PCs you could use otherwise. I would just get a cheap one for a NAS and probably some other common network use cases (web server, Pihole etc.)
My RPi 2B plays HD vids without stuttering or overheating. 4K doesn't work tho, so if you want that, get a newer model. I don't think they even sell the 2B anymore because it's so old.
Are dedicated media-centered OSs (fast boot, remote control) available?
Yes, I'm using libreelec, I and friends control the display from our phones using the Kore app. Makes searching and typing easy, works great on my Pi. Fun game, which of you will select a movie first on your phones lol.
Note: pi3B can do 1080p but it struggles a little if the codec is anything other than h264, because Kodi decided to stop supporting closed source drivers. If you're playing anything above 1080 and anything other than h264, go for a pi 4 or better.
Yes just research how to install Plex or Kodi on your pi. I just did it this evening for an update. For that I used docker with Linuxserver/Plex. It takes some time to get all the settings but there are good YouTube tutorials on how to do it.
Great news. I have a pi I'm not really using. Be a good project for it.
You'd be better off with a used office pc, something with a 4. Or 6. gen Intel CPU is usually cheaper than a RPI and way more versatile. Only thing you lose on is size and power consumption.
I'll need to look into that then
OK I've tried in the past to make a decent streaming box from both windows media center edition and various Linux distros. But I need something that is simple, can be controlled entirely from a remote, and has the major streaming apps (Netflix, disney, etc). I haven't really found any solution that's easy enough for non techie people to use. I have a standalone roku box that works ok we also have a roku TV which is a giant piece of garbage, and I'm considering buying an external roku or nvidia shield as a streaming box instead, I do have a couple of raspberry pi 4s I could use one but again I'm faced with the same issues.
This may seem like a bit much, but it pretty much holds your hand to guide you through the install.
Have you tried Kodi?
Look into Plex servers, that should keep you busy for the next six months till you get it up and running.
Or Jellyfin. Because free.
Is jellyfin a better alternative?
Yes
Yeah, it's free and open source. I just pointed it at a few folders of TV, movies and music that I downloaded years ago, and it catalogued them all, downloaded all the blurbs and posters.
Like a mini Netflix that you host yourself.
Sounds great. I'll just need to take the time to actually do it
There are jellyfin, Plex and emby shares you can subscribe to for cheap, try it out before blowing money and time on a set-up that needs constant tinkering, it's easy to just download an app and connect to your remote library somewhere that someone else spends time on. I use a shield I got 6 years ago, but now also the Amazon fire stick 4k max on another TV and everything is just easy and seamless while using a Plex share that's 9 euro per month.
Yeah I have been meaning to look into it. It's just another massive time and money sink.
The Android TV app seems better too.
That will keep you busy for a full year.
What are you talking about. First time I set it up, had it running on my local network in less than 5 minutes. 5 more minutes for external (granted, already had the infrastructure for that in place).
Then maybe 20min going through the settings to personalize my account? And maybe another 20min looking if there are any plugins I wanted to use.
It's true, the setup with docker is easy and reliable. However, sorting and taking your media takes very long.
Not even docker, I just pulled it from the aur, lol.
And yeah, that's fair. Though not really Jellyfins fault if it's not sorted already. Same goes for Plex.
I don't think it's a year to setup the software. Rather a year to load it lol. I've spent probably close to 4 years loading content into my Plex server and I don't see any end in sight.
Radarr/Sonarr :)
It still takes time to download things, data only moves so fast and not everyones internet is the same.
My point was more that you can automate all of that.
And that doesn't change my point because even automated it takes time.
People pull shit out of their asses to feel superior about things they donβt actually know anything about.
It'll only take a few minutes to setup. Once you get hooked you'll spend a lot more time automating everything and adding more storage.
The problem is that YouTube app and F1 app are Android only so having a Linux media box won't help. It needs to run Android to run Android apps.
Plus I like to use Chromecast, we use it all the time to send YouTube videos from our phones to the big screen.
What's wrong with using YouTube in a browser?
Can't control it from my phone. Would need a mouse. At least I'm tech minded. My wife isn't and there is no way she would stand for using a mouse and browser on the TV.
Ah, right, makes sense. I'm using a steam controller (or any other controller with steam, honestly) instead of a mouse, which works well enough
I don't know about apps like F1 and Chromecast, but I can see that it could be a problem. But YouTube has worked fine for me with the MPV player. Maybe you could try Android-x86? (is that thing still alive? π )
I swear shit like this is why Lemmy is so incredibly out of touch with the real world. I can't take the community seriously anymore.
So my home media center is not real world enough? I only expressed an opinion; you are free to ignore it. Also, there is nothing that keeps you here. Please kindly keep in mind that most Lemmy users right now are interested in technology, you can't take that away from them and there is nothing wrong with it. If you want to stay away from "shit like this", then, with all respect, you probably should not be in a technology sub in the first place.
I think the difference is folks confuse the general public with the general lemmy user. And I can't tell if the fediverse and lemmy are supposed to be attempting to be a front page for general folks or lemmy early adopter folks.
I agree. Too many comments and threads are hijacked or over represented by the pro piracy crowd. I wish more communities would just ban the shit post of "yar, time to sail the high seas" that seem to be the top comment on any media related post.
You're going to build your own smart TV that can handle new HDMI and Displayport advancements too?
This is going to come as a shock to you, but HDMI has been a thing since 2004. You can find 15 year old dumb TVs with HDMI. If the TV had HDMI, it can handle any format that the screen can physically show and newer versions are backwards compatible.
Or you could just use a new tv with smart features and never connect it to your network. It's what I've done with all the TVs in my house and I simply use an external device I trust to stream.
This is going to be such a nightmare as smart devices become the majority.
Didn't connect your TV to the Internet? Don't worry, it'll spy on you by connecting to the neighbor's tv. Or the built-in WiFi in the modem. Or the power company's smart meter via powerline-networking.
Products are going to be engineered to sell backdoor access at a hefty price, if they aren't already.
Things are going to get scary.
Just like anything with technology though, there will be people in the other side too. Does that magic TV with a mind of it's own have a USB port? If they take away the USB , they will have to add some way to maintenance it. There will always be a way to get at the kernel if you know what you're doing.
It's going to become this horrible game of cat and mouse, for anyone who actually values privacy.
Sure, you could open the device up, remove any antennas. You could add powerline filtering. You could find the jtag or debug ports. You could find a way to hack it. Jam a signal. Make an ultrasonic white noise machine. Wrap the thing in foil. Cover the cameras.
The individual has to block every channel of "attack". The data miners only need to get lucky once.
Newer "smart" sets, particularly from Vizio and a couple other brands, will not let you exit the setup or use the inputs without an internet connection
Wow, I would immediately return any TV that pulled that bs. I have used Sony TV's for a very long time and have never encountered this issue, I even bought a new one in summer 2022 and it did not require Internet connection to function.
LTT reviewed a Roku one like that recently and for some reason didn't recommend immediately binning it.
Pff sure. How hard can it be? Few resistor thingies and some capaci-whatsists, and Arduino, done.
The correct answer is usually Raspberry pi + github.
Although I have no idea what those mean
You can easily configure those with block-chain based AI.
Donβt forget to setup the transistor receptors!
The flux capacitor comes first tho
Almost any ARM SBC and a dumb TV will do, install linux/a minimal wayland compositor and waydroid and youre laughing
Any time there's a advancement you just update the board, instead of the whole TV (which its not like normal smart TV's update their ports anyways?)