Biden was going to lose to Trump and was dragging other Democrats down with him in the polls. What more did you need?
Walk me through this. Who replaces Joe with only 4 months left until the elections? It’s going to be vote blue no matter who again. Oh, would you look at that. Biden just endorsed Kamala Harris.
Not for nothing but four months should be plenty to do an election in. 24 hour news media has convinced you that it's got to be a 2-year endeavor. In all honesty 2 months should be plenty. Four is fine. Our entire country would be much better off if election seasons were shorter.
The UK Labour Party won a landslide election on 6 weeks notice
Smaller country, less money involved... but here's hoping.
Edit: I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted. Comparing the speed of the British election cycle to that of the US is mismatched. Yes, US elections are ridiculous and bloated, but that's still the reality of them. Regardless, we'll have to do things faster based on circumstances.
France put together a winning left coalition in 2 weeks.
How does the US being a bigger, wealthier, country mean we are weaker? I'm so tired of these arguments about what we can't do. If Biden dropped out 2 weeks before November it would be a disaster. As it is, he is listening to the legitimate concerns of the people.
Well, the US is literally the second-most populous electoral democracy and the third-most populous country in the world, so I say we'll need some time.
The largest democracy takes around two months of campaigning and about six weeks for voting.
Population scales proportionately for both the number of voters and for number of people working on a campaign and number of people working at polling stations on election day.
And let's be honest, it's only a small number of states that Presidential campaigns actually focus on because of that whole Electoral College thing.
It's just the US is accustomed to a long election cycle, that's all. It's not a necessity. It may not actually be a good thing as it allows time for bad actors to construct false narratives. Seems to just favour personality over policy.
How does AOC know what the elites want? Does she spend a lot of time having conversations with the elites about which direction they want politics to go?
She says she was in those conversations with high profile Democrats who have expressed more concerns about their donors rather than about their constituents.
I voted for President Not Trump twice, I’m very much motivated to vote for President Not Trump a third time.
It’s going to be vote blue no matter who
So the same thing that's been said to get people to vote for Biden in the first place?
If the Biden campaign was mostly running on "Not Trump," anyone they replace him with will also not be Trump.
A lot of people just felt like it was time to trade in their Not Trump for a newer model Not Trump. Sure there were other Not Trumps we could've gone with a year ago, but those Not Trumps are no longer on the market. So we're going with the best available Not Trump right now.
This Not Trump isn't in mint condition (but none of them are), but it has much better mileage and it has more acceleration and a better top speed.
As is the case with all Not Trumps this one is a better choice than Trump. Obviously.
Yeah, of course he's going to endorse her. Still doesn't mean that delegates don't decide after an open convention. If she can show the delegates she has what it takes then she earns it.
I want to be just as optimistic as you are. Here’s to hoping that you’re right and I’m wrong.
Yeah a Humphrey style convention is always a good idea. /s
Who cares if it's Kamala? She's not senile, she's not Genocide Joe, and she's not an unhinged fascist. She's a shoe-in.
Newsom is the only option with any chance of winning, but democrats aren't even trying to win this election.
They're clearly trying to win if they got so scared about polls they strong-armed Biden into resigning. The panic has pretty clearly set in. We'll see if this works or not.
They're 'trying to win' just like they were in 2016. We need a massive change in party leadership.
I abhor Gavin Newsome and would only vote for him to replace Trump. There are almost zero things Gavin Newsome can do that any other candidate can do better. He's a slimy, adulterous predator who is more concerned with being remembered than doing something memorable.
I don't think you realize how much of a stink "California Governor" has in middle America.
It's bullshit. We should all be so lucky to live in a place like California, but fox News Propaganda has been working for decades convincing disengaged voters that Cali is a hellscape.
I think Newsom would make a fantastic President, but I am not convinced he has the best chance to win.
Just about anyone can beat Trump. Now that we don't have a senile old man holding us back, we'll be fine.
Harris or Manchin.
Harris actually sounds pretty good when she's talking politics. Her tough on crime past can give her a boost with moderates and centrists as well. She just has the weirdest mannerisms when trying to relate to people.
Manchin has obvious appeal to centrists and moderates. His biggest issue is his opposition to climate change action. But other than that he'd be considered liberal by '90s standards.
Newsom needs to go through the primary process to see if he can appeal to swing state voters. Because I'm not convinced he can win those margin votes that he needs.
Manchin? He's basically a Republican. He just hasn't kissed Trumps ring. Besides he's declared himself an "independent."
Manchin is a lot closer to a Democrat than a Republican. A LOT closer.
Manchin is running as an independent Senator in 2024. Giving him the nom would be the biggest "fuck you" to their voters.
Harris is the only logical choice. She's not the best candidate but she can form coherent sentences and isnt surprising voters any more than Biden dropping.
Manchin might be the one candidate where I leave the box unchecked.
I don’t see it that way at all. This seems like a great way to increase their votes. It’s not like they are going to lose voters who were going to vote Biden to begin with.
Plus whatever strategy repubs were going to use to smear Biden is up in smoke.
It’s never about those that were going to vote for Biden anyways. It’s always been about the undecided voters. Don’t get me wrong, I hope you’re right.
It’s never about those that were going to vote for Biden anyways. It’s always been about the undecided voters.
Right. That’s obviously the whole point.
Yeah the reality is that Biden was 95% going to lose to Trump. Picking a new person is usially a huge risk, but in this case there wasn't much to lose.
As things stand right now, Trumps chances of winning just went down a bit. Worst case, they pick someone terrible with similar (non-)chances to Biden. Best case, they pick someone who wins.
They've 100% thought through this. Harris takes over the Biden / Harris campaign war chest, and if Biden drops out now, the party can go into the align around Harris before the convention. And now we have 3+ months to get people hyped about not voting for an old white dude.
Have they, though? Republicans are going to contest whomever they replace him with. This is fucking dumb. We should have dropped Biden as the candidate from the get-go. Too late, this is stupid.
You've posted this 5 times in this thread in the last 20 minutes. Take a moment to read your own link...
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is "no credence" to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet -- the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
From the article you linked to:
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is "no credence" to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet -- the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Republicans are going to play every trick in the book, legal, moral, ethical or not. They will shout it at the rallies, take every opportunity to stir up shit on television (with help from Koch and Sinclair owned media) and you will hear every reason why the democratic nominee cannot be President. If Democrats find someone with a squeaky clean record and the Republicans can't find anything truthful, they'll fabricate it with ease. "Kamala Harris ate a moldy bagel in 2018 therefore she can't be president."
The one advantage Democrats have at this very second, is that Republicans and Trump can't use the media machine to pre-emptively smear any one person, since nobody knows who the nominee will be yet. Use this opportunity well and combat the "ahh confusion, somehow only Trump makes sense" narrative that will be sure to be floated.
They'll do all that no matter what. They already did that to Kamala Harris, in the last election. I'm sure they tried really hard to dig up shit on her but had to resort to making up shit.
Basically all they fabricated was the same weak-ass birther bullshit they did to Obama (odd how it's only non-white people they use that on, isn't it?) which is now being spread again on Facebook as we speak.
Intentionally mispronouncing her name, which they re-hashed in the RNC convention. Her name is literally consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel, not really hard to say so they just sound like morons when they do that.
I guess they don't like how she laughs?
They lost that election. Their base likes the racist dog-whistles, but those are votes they have no matter what. Doing the same bullshit they did before loses them independents.
Remember how a lot of Republicans voted for Nikki Haley even after she dropped out of the primary? It wasn't a love for Nikki Haley, it was a dislike for Trump that motivated Republicans to vote for Nikki Haley in the primaries. After she dropped out. So there's even Republicans that are open to voting for a woman with a South Asian background that the MAGAs like to intentionally mispronouncing her name.
This only indicates the GOP does not want to be running against Kamala Harris.
I don’t think they’ve thought this through.
Biden was going to lose to Trump and was dragging other Democrats down with him in the polls. What more did you need?
Walk me through this. Who replaces Joe with only 4 months left until the elections? It’s going to be vote blue no matter who again. Oh, would you look at that. Biden just endorsed Kamala Harris.
Not for nothing but four months should be plenty to do an election in. 24 hour news media has convinced you that it's got to be a 2-year endeavor. In all honesty 2 months should be plenty. Four is fine. Our entire country would be much better off if election seasons were shorter.
The UK Labour Party won a landslide election on 6 weeks notice
Smaller country, less money involved... but here's hoping.
Edit: I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted. Comparing the speed of the British election cycle to that of the US is mismatched. Yes, US elections are ridiculous and bloated, but that's still the reality of them. Regardless, we'll have to do things faster based on circumstances.
France put together a winning left coalition in 2 weeks.
How does the US being a bigger, wealthier, country mean we are weaker? I'm so tired of these arguments about what we can't do. If Biden dropped out 2 weeks before November it would be a disaster. As it is, he is listening to the legitimate concerns of the people.
Well, the US is literally the second-most populous electoral democracy and the third-most populous country in the world, so I say we'll need some time.
The largest democracy takes around two months of campaigning and about six weeks for voting.
Population scales proportionately for both the number of voters and for number of people working on a campaign and number of people working at polling stations on election day.
And let's be honest, it's only a small number of states that Presidential campaigns actually focus on because of that whole Electoral College thing.
It's just the US is accustomed to a long election cycle, that's all. It's not a necessity. It may not actually be a good thing as it allows time for bad actors to construct false narratives. Seems to just favour personality over policy.
Hear hear!
Let’s hope so!
Just FYI, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez warned people that elite donors have been wanting Harris and Biden both off the ticket.. You are free to hold skepticism about Harris' viability as presidential nominee, but do note that it is in line with the donor class' rhetoric.
How does AOC know what the elites want? Does she spend a lot of time having conversations with the elites about which direction they want politics to go?
She says she was in those conversations with high profile Democrats who have expressed more concerns about their donors rather than about their constituents.
I voted for President Not Trump twice, I’m very much motivated to vote for President Not Trump a third time.
So the same thing that's been said to get people to vote for Biden in the first place?
If the Biden campaign was mostly running on "Not Trump," anyone they replace him with will also not be Trump.
A lot of people just felt like it was time to trade in their Not Trump for a newer model Not Trump. Sure there were other Not Trumps we could've gone with a year ago, but those Not Trumps are no longer on the market. So we're going with the best available Not Trump right now.
This Not Trump isn't in mint condition (but none of them are), but it has much better mileage and it has more acceleration and a better top speed.
As is the case with all Not Trumps this one is a better choice than Trump. Obviously.
Yeah, of course he's going to endorse her. Still doesn't mean that delegates don't decide after an open convention. If she can show the delegates she has what it takes then she earns it.
I want to be just as optimistic as you are. Here’s to hoping that you’re right and I’m wrong.
Yeah a Humphrey style convention is always a good idea. /s
Who cares if it's Kamala? She's not senile, she's not Genocide Joe, and she's not an unhinged fascist. She's a shoe-in.
Newsom is the only option with any chance of winning, but democrats aren't even trying to win this election.
They're clearly trying to win if they got so scared about polls they strong-armed Biden into resigning. The panic has pretty clearly set in. We'll see if this works or not.
They're 'trying to win' just like they were in 2016. We need a massive change in party leadership.
I abhor Gavin Newsome and would only vote for him to replace Trump. There are almost zero things Gavin Newsome can do that any other candidate can do better. He's a slimy, adulterous predator who is more concerned with being remembered than doing something memorable.
I don't think you realize how much of a stink "California Governor" has in middle America.
It's bullshit. We should all be so lucky to live in a place like California, but fox News Propaganda has been working for decades convincing disengaged voters that Cali is a hellscape.
I think Newsom would make a fantastic President, but I am not convinced he has the best chance to win.
Just about anyone can beat Trump. Now that we don't have a senile old man holding us back, we'll be fine.
Harris or Manchin.
Harris actually sounds pretty good when she's talking politics. Her tough on crime past can give her a boost with moderates and centrists as well. She just has the weirdest mannerisms when trying to relate to people.
Manchin has obvious appeal to centrists and moderates. His biggest issue is his opposition to climate change action. But other than that he'd be considered liberal by '90s standards.
Newsom needs to go through the primary process to see if he can appeal to swing state voters. Because I'm not convinced he can win those margin votes that he needs.
Manchin? He's basically a Republican. He just hasn't kissed Trumps ring. Besides he's declared himself an "independent."
Manchin is a lot closer to a Democrat than a Republican. A LOT closer.
Manchin is running as an independent Senator in 2024. Giving him the nom would be the biggest "fuck you" to their voters.
Harris is the only logical choice. She's not the best candidate but she can form coherent sentences and isnt surprising voters any more than Biden dropping.
Manchin might be the one candidate where I leave the box unchecked.
I don’t see it that way at all. This seems like a great way to increase their votes. It’s not like they are going to lose voters who were going to vote Biden to begin with.
Plus whatever strategy repubs were going to use to smear Biden is up in smoke.
It’s never about those that were going to vote for Biden anyways. It’s always been about the undecided voters. Don’t get me wrong, I hope you’re right.
Right. That’s obviously the whole point.
Yeah the reality is that Biden was 95% going to lose to Trump. Picking a new person is usially a huge risk, but in this case there wasn't much to lose.
As things stand right now, Trumps chances of winning just went down a bit. Worst case, they pick someone terrible with similar (non-)chances to Biden. Best case, they pick someone who wins.
They've 100% thought through this. Harris takes over the Biden / Harris campaign war chest, and if Biden drops out now, the party can go into the align around Harris before the convention. And now we have 3+ months to get people hyped about not voting for an old white dude.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
Have they, though? Republicans are going to contest whomever they replace him with. This is fucking dumb. We should have dropped Biden as the candidate from the get-go. Too late, this is stupid.
You've posted this 5 times in this thread in the last 20 minutes. Take a moment to read your own link...
From the article you linked to:
Republicans are going to play every trick in the book, legal, moral, ethical or not. They will shout it at the rallies, take every opportunity to stir up shit on television (with help from Koch and Sinclair owned media) and you will hear every reason why the democratic nominee cannot be President. If Democrats find someone with a squeaky clean record and the Republicans can't find anything truthful, they'll fabricate it with ease. "Kamala Harris ate a moldy bagel in 2018 therefore she can't be president."
The one advantage Democrats have at this very second, is that Republicans and Trump can't use the media machine to pre-emptively smear any one person, since nobody knows who the nominee will be yet. Use this opportunity well and combat the "ahh confusion, somehow only Trump makes sense" narrative that will be sure to be floated.
They'll do all that no matter what. They already did that to Kamala Harris, in the last election. I'm sure they tried really hard to dig up shit on her but had to resort to making up shit.
Basically all they fabricated was the same weak-ass birther bullshit they did to Obama (odd how it's only non-white people they use that on, isn't it?) which is now being spread again on Facebook as we speak.
Intentionally mispronouncing her name, which they re-hashed in the RNC convention. Her name is literally consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel, not really hard to say so they just sound like morons when they do that.
I guess they don't like how she laughs?
They lost that election. Their base likes the racist dog-whistles, but those are votes they have no matter what. Doing the same bullshit they did before loses them independents.
Remember how a lot of Republicans voted for Nikki Haley even after she dropped out of the primary? It wasn't a love for Nikki Haley, it was a dislike for Trump that motivated Republicans to vote for Nikki Haley in the primaries. After she dropped out. So there's even Republicans that are open to voting for a woman with a South Asian background that the MAGAs like to intentionally mispronouncing her name.
This only indicates the GOP does not want to be running against Kamala Harris.
This is a good sign.
Boooo