Shameless plug, if anyone here streams check out https://owncast.online/, it's a self-hosted fediverse twitch alternative that I've really enjoyed, and the community is really nice. (No ads, too) If you feel comfortable setting up a docker container you can stream on the fediverse, and people on mastodon/other services can sub to you. (and if you want to see what it's like, you can see my instance here: https://owncast.scrubbles.tech/ )
Doesn’t this take up quite a lot of bandwidth if you have a lot of viewers?
This was an interesting question, so I took a quick dive in the docs, it seems it has an S3 integration to help with it, and some comments on the various supported services
Still, depending on the chosen provider and the amount of viewers, it could be quite costly
As everything, a big "it depends". Each viewer will eat more bandwidth, but you control the compression and qualities. For me, I have an unlimited fiber uplink, so it's quite easy for me to self host. If someone were more bandwidth constrained, then hosting it on a cloud that then has much more egress may help - at a cost of course, but then your own personal internet would only have the one outgoing stream. Finding a provider that has super cheap egress traffic would probably help
If you have a data cap.... well..... not a lot you can do.
There's also Peertube with the chat plugin if bandwidth is a concern
I'm trying to open your link but I get a Lemmy page saying this link does not exist. Is it a voyager app thing?
I’m on voyager as well and both links opened fine in app for me
That's so weird, the markdown processor got confused. I changed the link
Works for me on mlem
Advertising, yes but in this case I'll allow it
Thanks, I knew I was skirting the rule, but I'm on a constant strive to convince people to move to fediverse alternatives. Appreciate the exception, and won't make a habit of it.
It’s free after you pay for it.
It’s a one-time fee that you pay monthly. One-time in that you pay one time a month.
Doesn't work on Twitch for me (using Firefox). I've had some success using 'Purple Adblock', but it works by connecting to a public proxy in an ad-free country for the duration of the ad - so it has issues during peak and can get you stuck in a loop
I've never seen an ad on Twitch (I use UBO on FF) and now I am wondering if the ONE PERSON I watch on there just doesn't have ads...
It's been awhile since I've been on twitch, but I remember the ad would be blocked, but the player would just display "The broadcaster is currently running an ad" or something like that. Didn't see any ads though so it technically worked
It's never worked for me either, but I don't find them too intrusive in most streams.
That said if I'm watching a Warzone tournament I usually just pop out the mini player in Firefox's PIP and listen to that. They get their money and I get to keep watching.
There’s a script(or I think technically rule) you have to paste in and it works, on phone so dont have it on me rn
Thanks! Got the script from the TwitchAdSolutions GitHub and it seems to work well
That doesn't work on Twitch for most people, unfortunately.
TTV LOL PRO however is an open source extension for Chrome and Firefox that does work.
It doesn't work out of the box but will work if you use scripts with it.
The rights access bothered me a bit but I realized I don't care.
Works fantastic thanks.
Brain borked blocked
They could be charging $50 for ad free ON TOP of the $11.99. That's a savings of $50! You should consider yourself lucky! You can't afford NOT to take a deal THIS good!
It's sad that this has basically become a standard. Subscribe to a service, but then you have to pay extra on top of that to not see ads. Are we now supposed to be grateful that products and services we already pay for aren't trying to bleed us for every cent they can get?
Go ad-free for free! Just give us your credit card number so we can charge it when you're not looking!
Seriously, why isn't this illegal yet? Why has this fallen to the private sector? WHY DO I HAVE TO GIVE A COMPANY MONEY IN ORDER TO STOP GIVING MONEY TO COMPANIES WHOSE SERVICES I'M NOT USING?
That's why with modern payment systems they give you a code and you send them the money. Credit cards made more sense before cell phones.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was illegal in EU.
Just had my yearly car maintenance at the local VW shop. They've started passing on the credit card processing fees to the customer. It's only like 3 or 4%, but it made me use a debit card instead of a CC. Guess that's where we're at now.
On the one hand I completely understand and agree with businesses that do this. CC fees take a huge chunk out of your bottom line.
On the other hand, I'm less likely to go there a second time unless I really, really, really like your business.
For my barber, I will gladly pay in cash.
There's a convenience store that charged me the 3% at check out. I left everything on the counter and went the extra mile or so and went to a normal grocery store.
I think a law passed allowing businesses to do this now. Before they were bound by their agreements with pay processors. Typically they allowed a discount for cash, but not an extra charge for credit. The whole "$10 minimum for credit cards" wasn't supposed to happen, either.
Now the payment processors aren't allowed to enforce that type of rule.
Source: I read a similar comment elsewhere on the internet a couple of years ago, and that's what I remember from it.
It's not "free" it's Free™
Maybe $11.99, they won't actually confirm that till checkout
This is normal though. I get 25% vat added whenever i shop online outside my country. Other countries have less or more vat. They can't tell for sure, before you checkout because you may be ordering while not at your home country.
The really interesting question is, are they removing revenue from channels? Are you really supporting them by going adfree? Do the users who pay this still count as viewers of ads even though they don't see them?
Nitro users count towards ad views and show as regular users.. basically to count as a viewer you have to have the video running, doesn’t matter if the player or tab is muted.
That's interesting! So the more of those subscriptions twitch sells, the more they devaluate themselves towards the advertisers?
Well they get the money directly from the user. In most cases this is more profitable.
For sure! Untill no more advertisers feel its worth to advertise.
Right, but that would be fine because they'd have so much money from subscriptions at that point...
Yes, they still count as viewers of ads and the streamer gets a small cut of the twitch turbo subscription money.
"free" as in "available"
yea, but at the top of the email it says "go ad-free for free"
Yeah, honestly this logic doesn't make sense
“If you pay for this subscription, we will stop showing you ads for free!” like- this is part of the subscription, how is it free lmao
Ita worth it for me, I watch tons of twitch and ads are annoying. I don't have to mess with anything or deal with twitch updating stuff breaking extensions etc.
Didn't it used to be that at the grocery store, if an item is advertised on the shelf for a different price than what it scans for, they give you something like half the difference? But there's no code of ethics like that on the interweb.
Yeah in the uk I think if something is advertised at a certain price the shop has to sell it for that price - certainly happens fairly regularly at supermarkets
That isn't actually true. The price on the shelf is considered to be an invitation to treat. By taking the item to the checkout you are offering to buy it which they can reject. In practice they will sell it to you for the price on the shelf but this is not the law
Oh cool yeah seems pretty obvious that they would be entitled to refuse the sale. Definitely see it in practice particularly at supermarkets tho tbh
Shameless plug, if anyone here streams check out https://owncast.online/, it's a self-hosted fediverse twitch alternative that I've really enjoyed, and the community is really nice. (No ads, too) If you feel comfortable setting up a docker container you can stream on the fediverse, and people on mastodon/other services can sub to you. (and if you want to see what it's like, you can see my instance here: https://owncast.scrubbles.tech/ )
Doesn’t this take up quite a lot of bandwidth if you have a lot of viewers?
This was an interesting question, so I took a quick dive in the docs, it seems it has an S3 integration to help with it, and some comments on the various supported services
More info here: https://owncast.online/docs/storage/
Still, depending on the chosen provider and the amount of viewers, it could be quite costly
As everything, a big "it depends". Each viewer will eat more bandwidth, but you control the compression and qualities. For me, I have an unlimited fiber uplink, so it's quite easy for me to self host. If someone were more bandwidth constrained, then hosting it on a cloud that then has much more egress may help - at a cost of course, but then your own personal internet would only have the one outgoing stream. Finding a provider that has super cheap egress traffic would probably help
If you have a data cap.... well..... not a lot you can do.
There's also Peertube with the chat plugin if bandwidth is a concern
I'm trying to open your link but I get a Lemmy page saying this link does not exist. Is it a voyager app thing?
I’m on voyager as well and both links opened fine in app for me
That's so weird, the markdown processor got confused. I changed the link
Works for me on mlem
Advertising, yes but in this case I'll allow it
Thanks, I knew I was skirting the rule, but I'm on a constant strive to convince people to move to fediverse alternatives. Appreciate the exception, and won't make a habit of it.
It’s free after you pay for it.
It’s a one-time fee that you pay monthly. One-time in that you pay one time a month.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrccTMwoLv8&pp=ygUUUG9ydGxhbmRpYSBidXkgcGhvbmU%3D
This is Kumail Nanjiani's best work.
Go ad free for free!
Doesn't work on Twitch for me (using Firefox). I've had some success using 'Purple Adblock', but it works by connecting to a public proxy in an ad-free country for the duration of the ad - so it has issues during peak and can get you stuck in a loop
I've never seen an ad on Twitch (I use UBO on FF) and now I am wondering if the ONE PERSON I watch on there just doesn't have ads...
It's been awhile since I've been on twitch, but I remember the ad would be blocked, but the player would just display "The broadcaster is currently running an ad" or something like that. Didn't see any ads though so it technically worked
It's never worked for me either, but I don't find them too intrusive in most streams.
That said if I'm watching a Warzone tournament I usually just pop out the mini player in Firefox's PIP and listen to that. They get their money and I get to keep watching.
There’s a script(or I think technically rule) you have to paste in and it works, on phone so dont have it on me rn
Thanks! Got the script from the TwitchAdSolutions GitHub and it seems to work well
That doesn't work on Twitch for most people, unfortunately.
TTV LOL PRO however is an open source extension for Chrome and Firefox that does work.
It doesn't work out of the box but will work if you use scripts with it.
https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions
I use that (follow the ublock steps) and have not seen an ad in a while.
There is a FOSS ad-free twitch client for Android https://github.com/twireapp/Twire
I need one that works on android tv...
Just tried twire and it requires touch nav
You are looking for S0und
The rights access bothered me a bit but I realized I don't care.
Works fantastic thanks.
Brain borked blocked
They could be charging $50 for ad free ON TOP of the $11.99. That's a savings of $50! You should consider yourself lucky! You can't afford NOT to take a deal THIS good!
It's sad that this has basically become a standard. Subscribe to a service, but then you have to pay extra on top of that to not see ads. Are we now supposed to be grateful that products and services we already pay for aren't trying to bleed us for every cent they can get?
Go ad-free for free! Just give us your credit card number so we can charge it when you're not looking!
Seriously, why isn't this illegal yet? Why has this fallen to the private sector? WHY DO I HAVE TO GIVE A COMPANY MONEY IN ORDER TO STOP GIVING MONEY TO COMPANIES WHOSE SERVICES I'M NOT USING?
That's why with modern payment systems they give you a code and you send them the money. Credit cards made more sense before cell phones.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was illegal in EU.
Just had my yearly car maintenance at the local VW shop. They've started passing on the credit card processing fees to the customer. It's only like 3 or 4%, but it made me use a debit card instead of a CC. Guess that's where we're at now.
On the one hand I completely understand and agree with businesses that do this. CC fees take a huge chunk out of your bottom line.
On the other hand, I'm less likely to go there a second time unless I really, really, really like your business.
For my barber, I will gladly pay in cash.
There's a convenience store that charged me the 3% at check out. I left everything on the counter and went the extra mile or so and went to a normal grocery store.
I think a law passed allowing businesses to do this now. Before they were bound by their agreements with pay processors. Typically they allowed a discount for cash, but not an extra charge for credit. The whole "$10 minimum for credit cards" wasn't supposed to happen, either.
Now the payment processors aren't allowed to enforce that type of rule.
Source: I read a similar comment elsewhere on the internet a couple of years ago, and that's what I remember from it.
It's not "free" it's Free™
Maybe $11.99, they won't actually confirm that till checkout
This is normal though. I get 25% vat added whenever i shop online outside my country. Other countries have less or more vat. They can't tell for sure, before you checkout because you may be ordering while not at your home country.
The really interesting question is, are they removing revenue from channels? Are you really supporting them by going adfree? Do the users who pay this still count as viewers of ads even though they don't see them?
Nitro users count towards ad views and show as regular users.. basically to count as a viewer you have to have the video running, doesn’t matter if the player or tab is muted.
That's interesting! So the more of those subscriptions twitch sells, the more they devaluate themselves towards the advertisers?
Well they get the money directly from the user. In most cases this is more profitable.
For sure! Untill no more advertisers feel its worth to advertise.
Right, but that would be fine because they'd have so much money from subscriptions at that point...
Yes, they still count as viewers of ads and the streamer gets a small cut of the twitch turbo subscription money.
"free" as in "available"
yea, but at the top of the email it says "go ad-free for free"
Yeah, honestly this logic doesn't make sense
“If you pay for this subscription, we will stop showing you ads for free!” like- this is part of the subscription, how is it free lmao
Now how much goes to the content creators?
https://codeberg.org/SafeTwitch/safetwitch Or https://codeberg.org/CloudyyUw/twineo End
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twich is for billionaires
Ita worth it for me, I watch tons of twitch and ads are annoying. I don't have to mess with anything or deal with twitch updating stuff breaking extensions etc.
Didn't it used to be that at the grocery store, if an item is advertised on the shelf for a different price than what it scans for, they give you something like half the difference? But there's no code of ethics like that on the interweb.
Yeah in the uk I think if something is advertised at a certain price the shop has to sell it for that price - certainly happens fairly regularly at supermarkets
That isn't actually true. The price on the shelf is considered to be an invitation to treat. By taking the item to the checkout you are offering to buy it which they can reject. In practice they will sell it to you for the price on the shelf but this is not the law
Oh cool yeah seems pretty obvious that they would be entitled to refuse the sale. Definitely see it in practice particularly at supermarkets tho tbh