Cant believe they are increasing the prices this much in one go, gonna be going back to adblockers.
I'm surprised more people aren't using uBlock Origin. It's an absolute necessity for browsing the web anymore.
I barely ever use PC for browsing web anymore.
It's available for mobile as well. You find it in the extension manager
For which mobile and what extensions manager?
I'm blocking ads phone-wide, I just don't use uBlock Origin for that on the phone.
Firefox for Android has uBlock Origin (and lots of other useful extensions). You do need to set Firefox as the default app for YouTube links, but after that it works perfectly.
I use NewPipe for Youtube, there are no ads at all.
I use AdGuard for blocking ads phone-wide and if I hadn't, Vivaldi has a built-in adblocker too.
Bottom line is I don't see any ads without using uBlock Origin. Original commenter is "surprised more people aren't using" it like it's the only way to go, while in reality it usable only in certain scenarios. It's best for PC but not for mobile.
Firefox, mull, fennec, etc
Orion on iOS has some support for FF extensions—Ublock seems to work more or less
Couldn't you just use an adblocker extension in Safari?
firefox exists on mobile too
I really like YouTube Revanced on Android, it's a patcher that includes an ad blocker as well as a ton of other QOL fixes.
But I understand why more people don't fuck with it, because if you install it wrong, your app will bug in the weirdest ways. Like my YouTube app kept getting renamed with the content of my last error message.
I use Revance Manager for patching other apps but youtube app is shit no matter how much you patch it. Prefer NewPipe or even LibreTube over patched Youtube app.
I honestly think it' seven more important to have an adblock on a phone.
The amount of pages that on mobile are an advert covering the top half, and a give us your data prompt at the bottom seems to be nearly everything these days. At least on a monitor there's room for the content.
I didn't say I don't block ads on the phone. Read my other comments here.
Firefox on android supports addons, so you can install uBlock on it too. If you use an apple device, you are limited to DNS based ad blocking, which doesn't help with youtube.
When I can set that up for my AppleTV to block ads on YouTube, I’ll be happy to use it.
I have YouTube Premium though not the Family variant and Google won't just fix their app. It is way behind NewPipe or YouTube ReVanced. No, I don't need shorts. No I don't need constant nudges to join groups of YouTubers by paying after I just paid you money, Google!
What I want is system wide quality setting (what exactly does High or Data Saver mean; would it kill you to give 480p, 720p or 1080p as options) or Sponserblock integration (okay, this thing is probably never gonna happen but still). YouTube 's app is a stinking pile of shit. I just use YouTube Music from them and will cancel/not renew my plan after it lapses.
Not a premium user but Youtube has poisoned its own waters with its algorithm. You can see the "top" content basically gaming that algorithm as well as it can. Literally every part of it from the title to the thumbnail to the content itself is hollow except for the skinner box.
they don't call it engagement slop for no reason.
It's funny, because sponsorblock and vanced only exist because of youtube's greed. And now I can't imagine using their service without them, even if they rollback the annoying ads. And they can't implement them. It's really the problem they made for themselves.
unpopular opinion: you can pay for premium and use Vanced/ReVanced because you value hosting infrastructure provided, and you understand that most of your money goes to the creators not google. And yet you still want control over the UI.
And you know what. If everyone actually did that instead of using Vanced for adblocking, it maybe still would've been alive.
It's so nice to live in the EU, where my right to block ads is protected by law.
It's more so that you are allowed to try to block ads. If YouTube adds DRM or otherwise manages to stop usage of ad blocking, they are completely in their right to do so.
IIRC if something runs on your system, you have the right to mess with it, however you want — e.g. block specific parts of the site, or use reader mode etc.
Wait, people pay for that?
As I said in a previous post, people are afraid of pirating, so they prefer higher prices if it is a "safe" method.
I wouldn't call it pirating... More like... I receive the video, but the ads were unfortunately lost on the way....
People need education.
bootlickers love theirs chains, they won' be saved but younger folk have a chance to break the cycle of abuse
Sadly a lot of young people are taught nothing but convenience and ignorance. I'm the only one in any of my friend circles that says anything against these practices. All of my friends, from different walks of life just shrug me off.
Well maybe next generation then... Or maybe we are destitined to be enslaved due to herd mentality.
Or people actually earn enough not to give two flying fucks about 10$ a month and want to support their content creators and the platform that enables them.
Why are they "afraid"?
Because that's part of the consumer model. See: religion.
In religion, people are:
Forced to believe unconditionally
Based on this programming, they are told never to disobey
How exactly is YouTube doing that?
Zoom out; Youtube is not consumerism, and religion predates currency by a long shot. Fear is its original seed.
I pay for that, because YouTube and YouTube Music is the main source of media for me And my family and I have no issue with paying for a service that I use a lot.
And paying for that is so much easier then investing huge amounts of time into searching for and maintaining alternative Players and Tools for all the different devices where I (and my family) consume YouTube and YouTube Music.
My limited time is more valuable for me then the price for the service.
I can understand if you want to pay. But don't say it's hard to block ads when all you need is uBlock origin installed... And that's it. It's literally a 15 seconds job for the rest of the life of your browser.
Remember that many people they don't consume YouTube primarily in a browser
and once you are on 4k teevee, i see no issue paying for that quality.
i have an issue with being data mined while paying tho...
And how do I install uBlock origin into my living room television? How into the YouTube app on my Chromecast? Sure I could use Firefox on that but that will break any chance of sending YouTube videos from a phone to the Chromecast, so not really a valid option.
How into the PS5?
How install it into any kind of mobile apple device? How into all kinds of mobile YouTube music applications?
Yes, it is easy when the only way to consume YouTube is via Webbrowser and even that gets more and more complicated whenever google changes something to block ad blockers.
I understand. But that should make you automatically realise that you should give that old fat/broken laptop a chance to be plugged into your TV. Put a 10 $ remote mini keyboard there and no one will touch the TV interface again.
All of this, and more, is quite simply defined in easy to follow steps on a site or two.
Are you asking genuinely or just listing off questions? Do you have 30mins to sit down and focus on setting up ALL of the above? Personally, I think you owe it to yourself and your family to at least try. 🖖🏽
I pay for yt family premium and Netflix but use neither of them on a regular basis.
My nephews grew up with a pretty shitty life. They don't have a lot of fun things they can do in their situation. I figured the least I could do is give them YouTube music and some access to watch TV and movies on Netflix wherever they happen to be.
It's the same reason my steam family is chock full of games I'll never play.
This is the same for me and my family. It's such a great feature to have and worth not seeing ads. I feel like supporting the platforms I use is important to me.
A LOT of people pay for that. I was flabbergasted as well. Why would you pay for a free service? This feels like buying premium bottled tap water and they don't even bother to filter out the chlorine and the heavy metals.
People buy diet water, so i don't think there is a limit to what people buy
Do you pay for Lemmy? Did you donate something? Or do you think you don't need to, because it's free?
I'm sorry, I did not put this in the right words. I thought I already deleted the comment. But no yes yes.
Why would you pay for a free service?
If it were a charity or non-profit that would be one thing. Google is doing fine without your support though.
It started out incredibly cheap ($15 mo for six people), and includes a Spotify style music streaming service
I pay for YouTube premium because I like the idea of content creators getting paid when I watch their videos. I don't want to manually send each of them money or sign up for their channel memberships or anything. But if they make videos that I watch and they get a kickback? I'm fine with that.
I also have a YouTube channel that bring in a bit of beer money, so I use that to justify the cost.
I pay for YouTube premium because I like the idea
Yup. Pretty much. 🤷🏼♂️
It's like the cost of one banana
There is always money in the banana stand.
audible mouth clicking
He's a flamer
I guess relatively few people still turn to piracy, it seems like all these streaming platforms are massively increasing their prices knowing that their customers will try to rationalise the extra spending somehow.
I personally would read this as a sign that more people are turning to ad blocking or straight up leaving. Not enough money coming in so they have to jack prices up way faster than they'd likely do otherwise.
But then that would mean that they'll loose even more customers
Yeah but if they double the price and only lose 1/3 of their customers that is a profit. They are aiming for that equilibrium price and honestly more people are willing to pay to never have their entertainment end than we could ever hope for.
I never accused them of being competent. They're getting into a death spiral, but there still isn't a very good and well known alternative to leech the disgruntled customer base.
They'll have to be taught a hard lesson. But realistically family was overly generous with a lot of folks essentially paying 2$/m for premium. You can definitely double this amount without many of them bothering to pirate.
To be fair, this does add more to the pot for YouTube creators.
If you're a YouTube Premium member, you won't see ads, so we share your monthly membership fee with creators. Best of all, the more videos you watch from your favorite creators, the more money they make.
I'd rather just spend a fraction of the money on a Nebula subscription.
Then delete the YouTube app and go to the nebula. It's a free country.
So this has been true of YouTube Red since the beginning. It's one if the reasons I got it. But they use watch time as the way to divide your money out. It actually makes it extremely unfair split for people that make great but short content. It's also why longer content became more popular around that time and those 24/7 streams run like that.
Also why creators started doing channels of just padded run time content of like building legos and eating things. It's to secure better and funding.
The current setup is pretty busted and feels like the wheels are coming off again.
YouTube has a transparent 70/30 revenue share model for creators.
Your entire premium subscription fee is split into 70 to creators and 30 to google.
The 70 are forwarded to the creators in proportion to the watch time.
in fact it's incorrect that "the more you watch, the more they earn". You can only watch two videos in one month and each of the creators will earn the respective 4$
There are very very few youtubers I world like to support.
I mostly watch shitposts on YouTube anyway so Adblocker would do just fine
I'm surprised more people aren't using uBlock Origin. It's an absolute necessity for browsing the web anymore.
I barely ever use PC for browsing web anymore.
It's available for mobile as well. You find it in the extension manager
For which mobile and what extensions manager?
I'm blocking ads phone-wide, I just don't use uBlock Origin for that on the phone.
Firefox for Android has uBlock Origin (and lots of other useful extensions). You do need to set Firefox as the default app for YouTube links, but after that it works perfectly.
I use NewPipe for Youtube, there are no ads at all.
I use AdGuard for blocking ads phone-wide and if I hadn't, Vivaldi has a built-in adblocker too.
Bottom line is I don't see any ads without using uBlock Origin. Original commenter is "surprised more people aren't using" it like it's the only way to go, while in reality it usable only in certain scenarios. It's best for PC but not for mobile.
Firefox, mull, fennec, etc
Orion on iOS has some support for FF extensions—Ublock seems to work more or less
Couldn't you just use an adblocker extension in Safari?
firefox exists on mobile too
I really like YouTube Revanced on Android, it's a patcher that includes an ad blocker as well as a ton of other QOL fixes.
But I understand why more people don't fuck with it, because if you install it wrong, your app will bug in the weirdest ways. Like my YouTube app kept getting renamed with the content of my last error message.
I use Revance Manager for patching other apps but youtube app is shit no matter how much you patch it. Prefer NewPipe or even LibreTube over patched Youtube app.
I honestly think it' seven more important to have an adblock on a phone.
The amount of pages that on mobile are an advert covering the top half, and a give us your data prompt at the bottom seems to be nearly everything these days. At least on a monitor there's room for the content.
I didn't say I don't block ads on the phone. Read my other comments here.
Firefox on android supports addons, so you can install uBlock on it too. If you use an apple device, you are limited to DNS based ad blocking, which doesn't help with youtube.
When I can set that up for my AppleTV to block ads on YouTube, I’ll be happy to use it.
I have YouTube Premium though not the Family variant and Google won't just fix their app. It is way behind NewPipe or YouTube ReVanced. No, I don't need shorts. No I don't need constant nudges to join groups of YouTubers by paying after I just paid you money, Google!
What I want is system wide quality setting (what exactly does High or Data Saver mean; would it kill you to give 480p, 720p or 1080p as options) or Sponserblock integration (okay, this thing is probably never gonna happen but still). YouTube 's app is a stinking pile of shit. I just use YouTube Music from them and will cancel/not renew my plan after it lapses.
Not a premium user but Youtube has poisoned its own waters with its algorithm. You can see the "top" content basically gaming that algorithm as well as it can. Literally every part of it from the title to the thumbnail to the content itself is hollow except for the skinner box.
they don't call it engagement slop for no reason.
It's funny, because sponsorblock and vanced only exist because of youtube's greed. And now I can't imagine using their service without them, even if they rollback the annoying ads. And they can't implement them. It's really the problem they made for themselves.
unpopular opinion: you can pay for premium and use Vanced/ReVanced because you value hosting infrastructure provided, and you understand that most of your money goes to the creators not google. And yet you still want control over the UI.
And you know what. If everyone actually did that instead of using Vanced for adblocking, it maybe still would've been alive.
It's so nice to live in the EU, where my right to block ads is protected by law.
It's more so that you are allowed to try to block ads. If YouTube adds DRM or otherwise manages to stop usage of ad blocking, they are completely in their right to do so.
IIRC if something runs on your system, you have the right to mess with it, however you want — e.g. block specific parts of the site, or use reader mode etc.
Wait, people pay for that?
As I said in a previous post, people are afraid of pirating, so they prefer higher prices if it is a "safe" method.
I wouldn't call it pirating... More like... I receive the video, but the ads were unfortunately lost on the way....
People need education.
bootlickers love theirs chains, they won' be saved but younger folk have a chance to break the cycle of abuse
Sadly a lot of young people are taught nothing but convenience and ignorance. I'm the only one in any of my friend circles that says anything against these practices. All of my friends, from different walks of life just shrug me off.
Well maybe next generation then... Or maybe we are destitined to be enslaved due to herd mentality.
Or people actually earn enough not to give two flying fucks about 10$ a month and want to support their content creators and the platform that enables them.
Why are they "afraid"?
Because that's part of the consumer model. See: religion.
In religion, people are:
How exactly is YouTube doing that?
Zoom out; Youtube is not consumerism, and religion predates currency by a long shot. Fear is its original seed.
I pay for that, because YouTube and YouTube Music is the main source of media for me And my family and I have no issue with paying for a service that I use a lot. And paying for that is so much easier then investing huge amounts of time into searching for and maintaining alternative Players and Tools for all the different devices where I (and my family) consume YouTube and YouTube Music. My limited time is more valuable for me then the price for the service.
I can understand if you want to pay. But don't say it's hard to block ads when all you need is uBlock origin installed... And that's it. It's literally a 15 seconds job for the rest of the life of your browser.
Remember that many people they don't consume YouTube primarily in a browser
and once you are on 4k teevee, i see no issue paying for that quality.
i have an issue with being data mined while paying tho...
And how do I install uBlock origin into my living room television? How into the YouTube app on my Chromecast? Sure I could use Firefox on that but that will break any chance of sending YouTube videos from a phone to the Chromecast, so not really a valid option. How into the PS5? How install it into any kind of mobile apple device? How into all kinds of mobile YouTube music applications? Yes, it is easy when the only way to consume YouTube is via Webbrowser and even that gets more and more complicated whenever google changes something to block ad blockers.
I understand. But that should make you automatically realise that you should give that old fat/broken laptop a chance to be plugged into your TV. Put a 10 $ remote mini keyboard there and no one will touch the TV interface again.
All of this, and more, is quite simply defined in easy to follow steps on a site or two.
Are you asking genuinely or just listing off questions? Do you have 30mins to sit down and focus on setting up ALL of the above? Personally, I think you owe it to yourself and your family to at least try. 🖖🏽
I pay for yt family premium and Netflix but use neither of them on a regular basis.
My nephews grew up with a pretty shitty life. They don't have a lot of fun things they can do in their situation. I figured the least I could do is give them YouTube music and some access to watch TV and movies on Netflix wherever they happen to be.
It's the same reason my steam family is chock full of games I'll never play.
This is the same for me and my family. It's such a great feature to have and worth not seeing ads. I feel like supporting the platforms I use is important to me.
A LOT of people pay for that. I was flabbergasted as well. Why would you pay for a free service? This feels like buying premium bottled tap water and they don't even bother to filter out the chlorine and the heavy metals.
People buy diet water, so i don't think there is a limit to what people buy
Do you pay for Lemmy? Did you donate something? Or do you think you don't need to, because it's free?
I'm sorry, I did not put this in the right words. I thought I already deleted the comment. But no yes yes.
If it were a charity or non-profit that would be one thing. Google is doing fine without your support though.
It started out incredibly cheap ($15 mo for six people), and includes a Spotify style music streaming service
I pay for YouTube premium because I like the idea of content creators getting paid when I watch their videos. I don't want to manually send each of them money or sign up for their channel memberships or anything. But if they make videos that I watch and they get a kickback? I'm fine with that.
I also have a YouTube channel that bring in a bit of beer money, so I use that to justify the cost.
Yup. Pretty much. 🤷🏼♂️
It's like the cost of one banana
There is always money in the banana stand.
audible mouth clicking
He's a flamer
I guess relatively few people still turn to piracy, it seems like all these streaming platforms are massively increasing their prices knowing that their customers will try to rationalise the extra spending somehow.
I personally would read this as a sign that more people are turning to ad blocking or straight up leaving. Not enough money coming in so they have to jack prices up way faster than they'd likely do otherwise.
But then that would mean that they'll loose even more customers
Yeah but if they double the price and only lose 1/3 of their customers that is a profit. They are aiming for that equilibrium price and honestly more people are willing to pay to never have their entertainment end than we could ever hope for.
I never accused them of being competent. They're getting into a death spiral, but there still isn't a very good and well known alternative to leech the disgruntled customer base.
They'll have to be taught a hard lesson. But realistically family was overly generous with a lot of folks essentially paying 2$/m for premium. You can definitely double this amount without many of them bothering to pirate.
To be fair, this does add more to the pot for YouTube creators.
I'd rather just spend a fraction of the money on a Nebula subscription.
Then delete the YouTube app and go to the nebula. It's a free country.
So this has been true of YouTube Red since the beginning. It's one if the reasons I got it. But they use watch time as the way to divide your money out. It actually makes it extremely unfair split for people that make great but short content. It's also why longer content became more popular around that time and those 24/7 streams run like that.
Also why creators started doing channels of just padded run time content of like building legos and eating things. It's to secure better and funding.
The current setup is pretty busted and feels like the wheels are coming off again.
YouTube has a transparent 70/30 revenue share model for creators.
Your entire premium subscription fee is split into 70 to creators and 30 to google.
The 70 are forwarded to the creators in proportion to the watch time.
in fact it's incorrect that "the more you watch, the more they earn". You can only watch two videos in one month and each of the creators will earn the respective 4$
There are very very few youtubers I world like to support.
I mostly watch shitposts on YouTube anyway so Adblocker would do just fine
Worst and worst...
Yo HO!